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Re: Shell Rotella Oil - Which?
« Reply #25 on: March 21, 2015, 10:17:23 AM »
It is not Rotella, and I would never be foolish enough to claim it is the best motorcycle oil, but I have been using Spectro conventional oil for the last 88,000 miles in the 750, which is going to turn over 150,000 original miles in 60 more. So I don't know if it is the best, but it must be pretty good.
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Re: Shell Rotella Oil - Which?
« Reply #26 on: March 21, 2015, 01:39:46 PM »
Like you Sean I jumped into the oil thread. :) Anyway, that would mean the 69 - 76+ manuals are all in error. I would think Honda would have corrected that error after the first or second year. I guess it is obvious that PO's used 10w40 and these bikes are still running with minimal repairs when we find them in barns, fields, basements, etc. So my assumption is the 10w40 did not hurt them that is for sure :) Good news for us...
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Re: Shell Rotella Oil - Which?
« Reply #27 on: March 21, 2015, 01:45:11 PM »
I switched from Honda oil to Rotella 15-40 and haven't had any problems.
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Re: Shell Rotella Oil - Which?
« Reply #28 on: March 21, 2015, 01:46:04 PM »
As long as the 10W40 works fine in the smaller, higher reving 4's Huh? ;)

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Re: Shell Rotella Oil - Which?
« Reply #29 on: March 21, 2015, 02:06:21 PM »
As long as the 10W40 works fine in the smaller, higher reving 4's Huh? ;)
...and are wet sump with even tinier oil passages and less torque through the tranny to chop up the slippery molecules...

just to clarify...I think all the sohc4's work better with 20w50 but the 750 dry sump system can definitely handle the extra weight
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Re: Shell Rotella Oil - Which?
« Reply #30 on: March 21, 2015, 02:42:48 PM »
Oil thread bunk Sean.  ;D

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Re: Shell Rotella Oil - Which?
« Reply #31 on: March 21, 2015, 10:38:21 PM »
yep :)
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Re: Shell Rotella Oil - Which?
« Reply #32 on: March 22, 2015, 12:51:49 PM »
It's not that difficult to understand why Honda prescribed 10W-40. It's ment for fanatics that want to operate their bikes at all time including at temps far below 0O Celsius.
I remember that in a Dutch tvprogram they tested for a change (it was a carprogram) a motorcycle. It was the CB750. They followed the same routine they had when testing a car what they normally did. Part of the routine was the cold start (koude start). The bike was therefore parked a night in a freezer house. I believe the temperature was around -15o Celsius. The 750 fired up at once btw. In those conditions your bike needs a weight 10 to lubricate the camshaft as quick as possible. Hope I can ever find the images. Would be great for this forum. Maybe Dutch members can help. The program was called either Autovisie or Wereld op wielen. The presentor was Fred van der Vlugt.
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Re: Shell Rotella Oil - Which?
« Reply #33 on: March 22, 2015, 05:50:31 PM »
It is not Rotella, and I would never be foolish enough to claim it is the best motorcycle oil, but I have been using Spectro conventional oil for the last 88,000 miles in the 750, which is going to turn over 150,000 original miles in 60 more. So I don't know if it is the best, but it must be pretty good.
Basically, this post says it all.  Case closed.  Mods, just sticky this on the front page and there should be absolutely no more discussion on the subject of oil.  PERIOD

Seanbarney may be pulling my leg a little here, which is OK.  However, I don't have a problem with oil threads since I might learn something.  Oil technology has changed over the years, some good, some not so good for old engines.  The kind of information I value is good old empirical data, the kind based on the real world, experimentation and experience.  That is better than manufacturer's marketing hype, or something somebody remembers hearing or reading about on the internet somewhere.  So occasionally I will chime in with some info from my experience with the 750 that someone may find useful.  My experience has been that using Spectro changed every 3000 miles or so, with a filter change every other oil change leads to a long-lived engine.  Could the same thing have happened with a different oil?  Very likely, but I know Spectro is good.  So would anyone else who chooses to benefit from my experience.  (Of course, I might just be full of #$%*.  There is always that risk.)

I have three bikes that have accumulated a lot of miles that I have had since new or nearly new.  The oldest I have had since 1977, the newest I bought in 1993.  In the case of my '75 750F, it rolled over 150,000 miles this afternoon.  The miles on the engine are original, it has not been rebuilt, not even a top end overhaul.  It still uses less oil than many new bikes.  Except for a 4000 mile flirtation with Mobil 1, I have used Spectro conventional oil in it since 1999.  I have kept very complete maintenance records on the bike since 1988 when it had 25,000 miles on it.  It may seem a little anal, but at one time I had 10 bikes in the rotation and I had a hard time remembering what I had done to which. 

I agree with Hondaman about 10-40 vs 20-50 in the 750s.  I used 10-40 HP4 a good part of the time when I lived in Alaska, but soon after moving to Idaho, I gravitated to 20-50.  Hondaman lives in Colorado which has a very similar climate as southwestern Idaho where I live.  It seems like it is usually very hot or very cold, with very little in between.  I soon noticed with 10-40 on hot days, shifting became notchy, neutral hard to get to.  The engine would be noisier and buzzier.  This would become especially noticeable after the oil had a 1000 miles on it or so.  With 20-50 Spectro, I never notice this, even when close to the 3000 mile change interval I use these days.

That has been my experience.  I am aware few on here use their old SOHC Honda the way I do mine, but if you ride it regularly, commute on it nearly year around, take it on the occasional long trip loaded to the gunwales, it is likely your experience will match mine.
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Re: Shell Rotella Oil - Which?
« Reply #34 on: March 22, 2015, 07:34:37 PM »
I was not pulling your leg Ofreen.  As far as I am concerned, your bike and experience is the end of every oil thread.
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Re: Shell Rotella Oil - Which?
« Reply #35 on: March 22, 2015, 08:41:24 PM »
Thanks sean. Very few on this forum have met me personally, so to most people I could be just another interweb bull#$%*ter.   ;D
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Re: Shell Rotella Oil - Which?
« Reply #36 on: March 23, 2015, 08:01:34 AM »
ofreen you are the mileage man, bar none, and good on you. I wish I could ride more, but I'll get back to it someday. My 750K3 is nudging 100K and I bought it new too. Folks ought to listen to the guys that ride like you do.

It's hard not to get sucked into oil thread politics. I don't agree with some things said but mine is just another opinion.

Spiritof67, pick your oil and it'll be fine. I was looking for answers to some thoughts I had about oil protection in my race engine so had Blackstone Labs do a used oil test. It's interesting and certainly worth it to see levels of suspended metals etc. Because I also sent a sample from my sons FZR to compare, it proved that my addition of ZDDPlus works as he didn't use it (now does!). They showed concern over the lead level not knowing I was using a mix of leaded race fuel so it showed me the test is not BS. It doesn't tell you what oil to choose, but can prove whether or not your oil choice is providing the protection your engine needs.

 

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Re: Shell Rotella Oil - Which?
« Reply #37 on: March 23, 2015, 08:18:31 AM »
Would it be possible to publish here some numbers from the lab?

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Re: Shell Rotella Oil - Which?
« Reply #38 on: March 23, 2015, 08:22:06 AM »
I prefer Bel-Ray 20w-50 exl .  But at $30 for a 4L jug its a bit more than Rotella 15w40.
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Re: Shell Rotella Oil - Which?
« Reply #39 on: March 23, 2015, 08:44:23 AM »
 I'm not sure about the oil but am sure Honda wishes all these old bikes would go away so we would get new ones. I use the Valvoline motorcycle oil that is labeled for wet clutches. IMHO.
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Re: Shell Rotella Oil - Which?
« Reply #40 on: March 23, 2015, 09:49:13 AM »
I tried the Rotella T6 and felt I had more lifter noise in some of my motors as it's only 15w40. I went with the Quicksilver 20w50 full syn MC oil available at Wally World. Runs quieter and seems to work great, same price as Rotella and it's MC specific, has all the ZDDP etc. that it should have.
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Re: Shell Rotella Oil - Which?
« Reply #41 on: March 23, 2015, 11:20:00 AM »
ofreen: Thank you very much for sharing your oil experiences.
Spectro oil, I guess this  http://www.spectro-oils.com/heavy-duty/
Spectro has several oils for motorcycles

An oil thread is needed where good experiences can be gathered as well as the bad. The best oil is not needed to find in discussions. Only oil that work well without any clutch, finding neutral  or wear, bad sound issues.

I'm looking for alternatives for the Red Line 20W-50 Motorcycle oil I have in the egnine now plus additional 11 bottlles in the garage. That oil felt really oily between my fingers when I changed cam lateley. Only 2000km's on it but I'm sure it can lubricate well.


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Re: Shell Rotella Oil - Which?
« Reply #42 on: March 23, 2015, 12:04:09 PM »
Really good stuff, ofreen! Thank you for sharing. Also, thanks to spirit for asking the question... again. I've read what seems to be 164 oil threads and have gotten the most out of this one! Picked up some Rotella 15-40 on the cheap at O'Reilly's yesterday and will be pouring it on after my new clutch plates are installed this week. First ride on my new to me 550 will hopefully be this weekend. Cheers!
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Re: Shell Rotella Oil - Which?
« Reply #43 on: March 23, 2015, 06:43:22 PM »
If you take away nothing else, oil must be changed and the levels checked. There is no oil filled with grit and gas that will protect your engine. Whatever you decide to use change it every 3K, and keep an eye on the levels.
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Re: Shell Rotella Oil - Which?
« Reply #44 on: March 23, 2015, 08:16:42 PM »
I run Rotella 15/40 in my bikes - the one with the JASO MA rating on the container.  JASO MA is for use in engines with a "wet clutch" like most Japanese bikes including my KZ, SOHC4 and CBX.

The MA rating makes me feel better about the oil for use in a motorcycle.

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Re: Shell Rotella Oil - Which?
« Reply #45 on: March 25, 2015, 07:10:19 AM »
So just to confirm, all this talk only pertains to the 750? Or does this include all SOHC4s like my 550? I'm not in a hot climate (northeast US) and not Arizona or anything although summers can get really hot. But I don't ride all year, mostly early spring-late fall. My bike hibernates during the winter.


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Re: Shell Rotella Oil - Which?
« Reply #46 on: March 25, 2015, 03:27:01 PM »
When I had my boat (a twin diesel), I was told by a long time captain to change my oil filters half way between oil changes.  Now given that diesels tend to be harder on oil and every thing else, since the boats are always going up hill, I wonder if changing just the oil filter between full changes would benefit our bikes?

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Re: Shell Rotella Oil - Which?
« Reply #47 on: March 25, 2015, 05:59:39 PM »
When I had my boat (a twin diesel), I was told by a long time captain to change my oil filters half way between oil changes.  Now given that diesels tend to be harder on oil and every thing else, since the boats are always going up hill, I wonder if changing just the oil filter between full changes would benefit our bikes?

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Re: Shell Rotella Oil - Which?
« Reply #48 on: March 25, 2015, 06:17:48 PM »
When I had my boat (a twin diesel), I was told by a long time captain to change my oil filters half way between oil changes.  Now given that diesels tend to be harder on oil and every thing else, since the boats are always going up hill, I wonder if changing just the oil filter between full changes would benefit our bikes?

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Re: Shell Rotella Oil - Which?
« Reply #49 on: March 25, 2015, 07:21:13 PM »
ofreen: Thank you very much for sharing your oil experiences.
Spectro oil, I guess this  http://www.spectro-oils.com/heavy-duty/


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