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Re: Le Mans start CB160 - 4th place out of 9 in our first race!
« Reply #75 on: September 03, 2015, 10:13:10 PM »
What a rush! Thanks for showing the start: boy, does that bring back memories!
Could it be, switching back & forth from a nimble needle of a racer bike to a 3x-the-weight hustler threw off your gyro a bit? I know it took me a LONG time to "unlearn" my SuperHawk when I started hotrodding with my first 750K1. The top-heavy 750 feeling threw me for a couple of months, then when I got back on my SuperHawk I was over-diving it into corners. This back-and-forth between them was more than my reflexes could keep up with, and the SuperHawk became someone else's after that, when I wholly 'fell' for the Four.
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Re: Le Mans start CB160 - 4th place out of 9 in our first race!
« Reply #76 on: September 04, 2015, 05:53:21 AM »
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Re: Le Mans start CB160 - 4th place out of 9 in our first race!
« Reply #77 on: September 04, 2015, 06:06:15 AM »
What an awesome story.  I looked at your thread early on in the build but just now got back to re-read everything.  VERY cool story.  Thanks for sharing and please keep us updated.  I really enjoyed the video of the start.  Tell your friend to set up in one of the curves next time and get us a video of you coming through the twisties. :)
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Re: Le Mans start CB160 - 4th place out of 9 in our first race!
« Reply #78 on: September 04, 2015, 07:57:56 PM »
What a rush! Thanks for showing the start: boy, does that bring back memories!
Could it be, switching back & forth from a nimble needle of a racer bike to a 3x-the-weight hustler threw off your gyro a bit? I know it took me a LONG time to "unlearn" my SuperHawk when I started hotrodding with my first 750K1. The top-heavy 750 feeling threw me for a couple of months, then when I got back on my SuperHawk I was over-diving it into corners. This back-and-forth between them was more than my reflexes could keep up with, and the SuperHawk became someone else's after that, when I wholly 'fell' for the Four.

I was definitely having a tough time switching between the two bikes.  They really handled differently and I was taking some poor lines on the first couple of laps when I got back on the 750.  I also braked way too early when I hopped on the 160 after getting off the 750 (in fact, many of my 750 braking spots changed to areas where I didn't need any braking on the 160.) I was wondering if others experience the same problem... I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one.

It may have contributed to me dropping the bike, I'm not sure though. I dropped it on the sixth lap, and by that point I felt like I was "snapped back in", as they say, with the bike and my lines.

There are some other factors at play as well: The CB160 has race compound tires and the 750 has street compound; my 750 is an early F, and while I removed the stock muffler I still have the stock headers/collector which scrapes a little when I lean it over hard to the right (did I lift the wheel up?); it was my last race late in the day on a hot/humid weekend and I was tired and probably not as focused as I should have been.

I'm really hesitant to blame anything but the rider (me), as I believe that will just prevent me from facing my deficiencies and delay my progress to becoming a better racer.

I knew I didn't have race compound tires (even if that would have made a difference), I knew bike parts scrape on hard rights, and I knew I was leaning the bike over farther than I ever had before - I actually wore a hole through my right toe guard :)  and I probably didn't have my body as far off the bike as I should have.   So, at the end of the day it comes down to rider error.

I do wish I had a video from behind so I could see which of the possible mistakes contributed most to me dropping it.  I'm pretty confident that had I put a little more muscle into my left leg and pushed my body a littler farther out to the right just a half second before I dropped it...  and shaved a couple of degrees back off the lean angle... I would have made it through the turn with the same speed.  At the very least, I now know not to lean the bike that far over at that speed again :)
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Re: Le Mans start CB160 - 4th place out of 9 in our first race!
« Reply #79 on: September 04, 2015, 08:03:21 PM »
Thanks Prokop and Restoration Fan!

We're going to try and get the gopro on the bike for the next race.
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Re: Le Mans start CB160 - 4th place out of 9 in our first race!
« Reply #80 on: September 04, 2015, 10:30:49 PM »
Hi Chris...sorry to hear about the 750 get off...good that the injury was minimal and the bike will be ok.(guarantee you will want a new points shaft!)...and make sure that you have learned something from this mistake as going fast on bikes is all a mind game...don't let it scare you, crashing can be fun as long as you walk away from it...quite sure you know all this already and nice job with the 160
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Re: Le Mans start CB160 - 4th place out of 9 in our first race!
« Reply #81 on: September 05, 2015, 10:01:32 AM »
Good report, except for the get-off. With a bit more seat time on the 160 I'm sure the transition between bikes will be seamless. It sounds like you have a great plan to finish the season, good luck.

Sorry Sean...never felt that crashing was fun.  ;D

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Re: Le Mans start CB160 - 4th place out of 9 in our first race!
« Reply #82 on: September 05, 2015, 02:27:58 PM »
Congrats on the successful outing with the cb160, sorry to hear you had the crash with the 750, glad you were not injured and the bike will bounce back with a few parts.

Look forward to more.

Your tired friend should have at least bought the drinks for the weekend if he was going to sit and armchair jockey.

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Re: Le Mans start CB160 - 4th place out of 9 in our first race!
« Reply #83 on: September 09, 2015, 10:57:27 PM »
What a rush! Thanks for showing the start: boy, does that bring back memories!
Could it be, switching back & forth from a nimble needle of a racer bike to a 3x-the-weight hustler threw off your gyro a bit? I know it took me a LONG time to "unlearn" my SuperHawk when I started hotrodding with my first 750K1. The top-heavy 750 feeling threw me for a couple of months, then when I got back on my SuperHawk I was over-diving it into corners. This back-and-forth between them was more than my reflexes could keep up with, and the SuperHawk became someone else's after that, when I wholly 'fell' for the Four.

I was definitely having a tough time switching between the two bikes.  They really handled differently and I was taking some poor lines on the first couple of laps when I got back on the 750.  I also braked way too early when I hopped on the 160 after getting off the 750 (in fact, many of my 750 braking spots changed to areas where I didn't need any braking on the 160.) I was wondering if others experience the same problem... I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one.

It may have contributed to me dropping the bike, I'm not sure though. I dropped it on the sixth lap, and by that point I felt like I was "snapped back in", as they say, with the bike and my lines.

There are some other factors at play as well: The CB160 has race compound tires and the 750 has street compound; my 750 is an early F, and while I removed the stock muffler I still have the stock headers/collector which scrapes a little when I lean it over hard to the right (did I lift the wheel up?); it was my last race late in the day on a hot/humid weekend and I was tired and probably not as focused as I should have been.

I'm really hesitant to blame anything but the rider (me), as I believe that will just prevent me from facing my deficiencies and delay my progress to becoming a better racer.

I knew I didn't have race compound tires (even if that would have made a difference), I knew bike parts scrape on hard rights, and I knew I was leaning the bike over farther than I ever had before - I actually wore a hole through my right toe guard :)  and I probably didn't have my body as far off the bike as I should have.   So, at the end of the day it comes down to rider error.

I do wish I had a video from behind so I could see which of the possible mistakes contributed most to me dropping it.  I'm pretty confident that had I put a little more muscle into my left leg and pushed my body a littler farther out to the right just a half second before I dropped it...  and shaved a couple of degrees back off the lean angle... I would have made it through the turn with the same speed.  At the very least, I now know not to lean the bike that far over at that speed again :)

Yep, the Big four has 2 weak spots (if you have the centerstand), one on each side. When I got my K2 I also bought the [rare] 2-point-mount crash guards for the covers, after beating up my K1 so much. On the right side, I always hit the footpeg mount (peg folded up) and the points cover at once, so adding the crash bar saved those. Today, the right-side bar is about 1" higher than the left, so I leave it there to remind me of those days when I was limber and fast.
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The left side: I wore off the round nub of the centerstand on the K1 in 2 months, and my K2 isn't pretty, either. One thing I did notice on mine, and wonder about yours: the front wheel on the post-sandcast K0 bikes are shifted to the right about 3mm from centerline. Long story how they got there, but...is yours still that way? It makes it harder to pick the bike up from the left when they are like this. I sometimes think Honda did this to make the swing arcs the same left and right, because the centerstand touches down do much sooner on the left, loosing angle...but that's supposition, postulation, and things argued over beer...

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Re: Le Mans start CB160 - 4th place out of 9 in our first race!
« Reply #84 on: September 21, 2015, 07:39:45 PM »
We're required to take off the centerstand and sidestand to race, so fortunately I don't have a problem with that.

I was thinking about making some custom sliders for the bike to try to protect the alternator and points sides, as I've now replaced both sides (I wore a hole in the alternator cover when I dropped the bike in a left turn last year during a track day).

I laced up the current wheels on the bike myself and then had the local shop do a final truing.  When I got the front back it was clearly offset (I forgot what direction), but that may have been my fault as I think I recall lacing them up with an offset to try and counter the offset you mention in your book.  I have trouble getting the string alignment method to work for me, so I ended up measuring the distance between the inside of the fork lowers and the rims (as best I could) and adjusted the offset so it was equally spaced between the fork lowers - that was a painstaking process :)
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Re: Le Mans start CB160 - 4th place out of 9 in our first race!
« Reply #85 on: September 21, 2015, 07:51:07 PM »
Sean, Brent, David... Thanks for the support!

We were down at NJMSP over the weekend (this time on the lighting course) with USCRA.  We don't have many pictures or any videos.  We were just focused on doing a good shakedown with the bikes before we head out to Barber in two weeks.

We're running into problems with tuning the CB160, and I suspect this has a lot to do with still having open headers and velocity stacks.  We're actually running really rich, fouling plugs in no time.  So we've got some tuning work to over the next two weeks - and we're going to try our best to get a real exhaust on there before we go.
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Re: Le Mans start CB160 - 4th place out of 9 in our first race!
« Reply #86 on: September 21, 2015, 09:37:08 PM »

We're running into problems with tuning the CB160, and I suspect this has a lot to do with still having open headers and velocity stacks.  We're actually running really rich, fouling plugs in no time.  So we've got some tuning work to over the next two weeks - and we're going to try our best to get a real exhaust on there before we go.

This may help: can you fashion a "bug screen" over the open ends of the velocity stacks? I can explain, if you care to know...
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Re: Le Mans start CB160 - 4th place out of 9 in our first race!
« Reply #87 on: September 22, 2015, 04:09:40 PM »
Glad your weekend went well. Barber is getting close for sure, wish I could join you.

Some stacks just don't work well. Try removing them and running without as a test.

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Re: Le Mans start CB160 - 4th place out of 9 in our first race!
« Reply #88 on: September 22, 2015, 07:35:49 PM »
The stacks came with fine screens (actually a course screen for strength with a fine screen on top of the course one):




We thought the screens might be too restrictive so we removed the screens for the last two races, but it didn't seem to help with the bike fouling the plugs and missing.  It runs better with fresh plugs but still misses (more on the right side than the left), and it misses periodically at all throttle ranges.

One thing we did find out, quite by accident...  I started getting low on gas as I came back into the pit (running out of gas seems to be a recurrent issue for us, but that's another topic)... the bike would start to run great as the gas was running out.  So I take that as a clear sign we're just running rich, but it bothers me that we know we have the bowl height set correctly and we have the correct, stock, jets.  So I'm kind of at a loss as to what the cause is. 

Do open headers and velocity stacks cause these carbs to run rich?... intuitively I would think it would cause a lean condition, but thinking about it some more I guess higher velocity air through the carbs would generate a larger pressure drop, and therefor push more gas through the jets. EDIT: Thinking about this some more, since the float chambers are vented to the outside of the carb bodies less air restriction would generally cause a leaner condition... so I'm back to my original intuitive assumption :)

We had a fully charged battery, and we did a compression test on the cylinders with both reading almost identical.

I'll try removing the stacks altogether as a test to see if that helps. 


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Re: Le Mans start CB160 - 4th place out of 9 in our first race!
« Reply #89 on: September 22, 2015, 10:27:35 PM »

One thing we did find out, quite by accident...  I started getting low on gas as I came back into the pit (running out of gas seems to be a recurrent issue for us, but that's another topic)... the bike would start to run great as the gas was running out.  So I take that as a clear sign we're just running rich, but it bothers me that we know we have the bowl height set correctly and we have the correct, stock, jets.  So I'm kind of at a loss as to what the cause is. 

Do open headers and velocity stacks cause these carbs to run rich?

Yes, absolutely. On the Fours it drowns them.

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... intuitively I would think it would cause a lean condition, but thinking about it some more I guess higher velocity air through the carbs would generate a larger pressure drop, and therefor push more gas through the jets. EDIT: Thinking about this some more, since the float chambers are vented to the outside of the carb bodies less air restriction would generally cause a leaner condition... so I'm back to my original intuitive assumption :)

As the velocity of the air in the throats increases, it drops in pressure. The pressure in the bowls then pushes the fuel up the jets. The tiny "step" area at the back of the venturi has one or more little holes nearest the outer edges where the air is moving more slowly than through the center portion of that Zone: this is "mid pressure" air, i.e., partway between the low-pressure venturi air and the outside (bowl pressure) air. This air is routed to the emulsifiers. Thus, the high pressure bowl pushes (heavy) fuel up the jets into the emulsifiers, where slightly-lower pressure aerates the fuel and improves the push up toward the low-pressure venturi.

So...if the bowl's vent air feeds are in a turbulent area, the bowls slow down their feed and the carbs go lean.
If the air hitting the back end of the venturi is moving too fast, this disturbs those tiny port feeds to the emulsifiers and lowers their pressures, so the fuel has a harder time feeding up to the venturi, as both are moving a lot.
If the air in the venturi (in the area over the jets) is moving fastest, it is lowest pressure and helps pull the fuel that got pushed up the jets into the engine.

So you can see, there's several places that can mis-calibrate your jetting....

Typically, pods and poorly designed velocity stacks (especially those that are the same ID as the mouth of the carb) cause turbulent air at the little emulsifier ports at the bell area of the venturi, so it is at too low a pressure to help lift the fuel from the emulsifiers to the venturi. Well-designed velocity stacks "aim" the airflow a little higher up, toward the center of the throat (like, right at the slide) to avoid this problem. If you don't have that option, diffusing the airflow (like using a screen across the open velocity stack) can help. But, this is a touchy adjustment, and hard to guess without a dyno or lots of track time. The Keihin engineer's best-guess for these was long rubber hoses from the air filters, which are under side covers to quiet the air, and ported across to each other on most Twins to further stabilize the overall pressure, so the air was pretty much like that in your living room by the time it hit the bell area at the back of the carb(s). That's how the carbs were intended to work, and the main reason the ram-air guys (roadracers of these bikes when I did it in the 1960s-70s days) seldom ran good top speeds. Those who instead enclosed their engines and carbs with fairings fared better, especially when using the long, thin-looking velocity stacks. This caused endless arguments about 'streamlining vs. open bikes', but the actual performance issue on these small bikes was the carbs, and how well they could be coaxed to mix. They are mighty simple devices, so you gotta live with their foibles a little bit?

The "racing" carbs, like the ones also found on the CL72 engines, had the 3rd jet to help in the last 1/4 of the slide opening for full speed, and they were GREAT. Keihin called these "power jets". They began to function at the upper part of the wasp-waist opening in the throat area, where the lower mainjet is starting to lose laminar flow, so the gas is getting "clumpy" and not well fed. The Power Jet then starts its action, increasing its feed to about 7/8 throttle, for lots more top-end power. That's why the lowly 250 Twin could do 90 MPH on a nice day, often outrunning its 305cc Big Brother. :)
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Re: Le Mans start CB160 - Update from Barber
« Reply #90 on: November 22, 2015, 04:02:28 PM »
Again... my apologies about the delay in posting an update:

Overall, the weekend in Barber (October 8th - 11th) was a big success... we had a blast, and came back home without any significant injuries.

It wasn't without some major challenges though.  During practice on Thursday I dropped the bike (grabbed too much front brake into a turn) damaging a few parts.  So we spent the rest of the afternoon and almost all day Friday (the other practice day) getting the bike fixed... we were exhausted! 

We had an intermittent electrical connection that would start to fail as the bike vibrated - it took us forever to figure that out.  We re-did everything else first - timing, swapping out the points/plate with a spare, spark plugs, drained the tank and disassembled the petcock (there was some sand residue from blasting in the tank), rebuilt the throttle cable splitter (which we found was broken - we actually had two problems), and a couple of other things I forgot about.

Good news was we got everything running for Saturday's races.  The bad news was I missed most of my practice sessions, so I feel I should have done much better than I did.  I was slowing down too much into turn 1, as well as on the back straight into turn 12, and I never really had a good line through turn 16.

Here's a video... I'm not too proud of my performance.  I forgot to pull the clutch lever in when I started  :-[, I then narrowly avoided a bad crash with a stalled racer on the track, my tach was reading way to high (due to the crash) so I was a hesitant to rev the bike too high, and I was just off (probably because of the preceding items).. it took me 1.5 laps to get my head back in the race and actually start pushing myself.  Still not too shabby considering I don't have all that much seat time on this bike:


You can't see the checkered flag in the video - the race ends around 11:17, so the last lap is a cool down (CB160 Le Mans race is only a four lap race)

My next race was much better (I just stopped looking at the tach and would push the bike until I could feel it losing power) - unfortunately we don't have a video of that race.
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Re: Le Mans start CB160 - Update from Barber
« Reply #91 on: November 22, 2015, 04:47:36 PM »
Here are some pictures:



Had a pretty good weekend on the 750 - two second place finishes - out of five :)  but still I'm pretty happy with that considering only doing a couple practice sessions on the 750




Broken brake lever:


John McCarty loaned us a set of custom pipes... which I damaged  :-[


Here are my babies :)   lots of time and money invested here... as well as a lot of help from my friends here on SOHC4... and my crew chief Jeff Duckworth:


Link to all the pictures we took - we would have taken a lot more if it wasn't for having to wrench on the bikes so much.
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Re: Le Mans start CB160 - Update from Barber
« Reply #92 on: November 22, 2015, 07:16:49 PM »
Great work! Good riding, too! I couldn't do that anymore, not in your style! :)
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Re: Le Mans start CB160 - Update from Barber
« Reply #93 on: November 23, 2015, 09:37:21 AM »
Chris,

Way to get that 750 leaned over. 
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"There are some things nobody needs in this world, and a bright-red, hunch-back, warp-speed 900cc cafe racer is one of them — but I want one anyway, and on some days I actually believe I need one.... Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba." Hunter S. Thompson, Song of the Sausage Creature, Cycle World, March 1995.  (http://www.latexnet.org/~csmith/sausage.html and https://magazine.cycleworld.com/article/1995/3/1/song-of-the-sausage-creature)

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1973 CB750K2 "Bionic Mongrel" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=132734.0) - Sold
1977 CB750K7 "Nine Lives" Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=50490.0) - Sold
2005 RVT1000RR RC51-SP2 "El Diablo" - Sold
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Re: Le Mans start CB160 - Update from Barber
« Reply #94 on: May 08, 2016, 01:55:07 PM »
Are you going to campaign the bikes this year?
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Re: Le Mans start CB160 - Update from Barber
« Reply #95 on: May 08, 2016, 04:35:31 PM »
Looking great Chris, you and your signature knee ;D
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Re: Le Mans start CB160 - Update from Barber
« Reply #96 on: May 09, 2016, 08:53:32 PM »
Hey Raf, Prokop!

Yeah, we're gearing up for this year.  Our first race will be at Road America the weekend of June 10th through the 12th.

I'm also trying to get everything ready for a track day over Memorial day weekend... but we're really cutting it close.

Attached is a current picture of the 750.  As you can see... not quite ready for the track :) 

I'm going to move up to Sportsman class this year, and I'm converting over to a K2 from (from my 75 F0 frame).  We're also making some upgrades that are legal in the Sportsman class: GL1000 front end (with only one caliper), aluminum rims with wider race compound tires, some frame bracing, removing the stock fenders, and running total loss.  I'm planning on removing the starter motor as well.

We also had a custom exhaust made for the CB160... I'll see if I can take a picture tomorrow.

We're hoping to get both bikes on a dyno before memorial.

So, yeah, it's been a busy and expensive couple of months :)

- Chris
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Re: Le Mans start CB160 - Update from Barber
« Reply #97 on: May 10, 2016, 09:26:06 AM »
Would love to compare notes on your gl1000 set up.  You will definitely need softer springs than what they came with.  Can you run emulators?
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Re: Le Mans start CB160 - Update from Barber
« Reply #98 on: May 10, 2016, 09:50:28 AM »
Would love to compare notes on your gl1000 set up.  You will definitely need softer springs than what they came with.  Can you run emulators?

Most vintage class racing permit emulators -- essentially allowing the internals to be re-worked but leaving the externals period correct.  Race Tech has emulators.  Yes, you definitely should change your springs.  You might want to contact Matt Wiley at Race Tech.  He is the resident guru on setting up vintage bikes at Race Tech and is well-versed with GL front conversions:

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"There are some things nobody needs in this world, and a bright-red, hunch-back, warp-speed 900cc cafe racer is one of them — but I want one anyway, and on some days I actually believe I need one.... Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba." Hunter S. Thompson, Song of the Sausage Creature, Cycle World, March 1995.  (http://www.latexnet.org/~csmith/sausage.html and https://magazine.cycleworld.com/article/1995/3/1/song-of-the-sausage-creature)

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1973 CB750K2 "Bionic Mongrel" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=132734.0) - Sold
1977 CB750K7 "Nine Lives" Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=50490.0) - Sold
2005 RVT1000RR RC51-SP2 "El Diablo" - Sold
2016+ Triumph Thruxton 1200 R (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,170198.0.html) - Sold

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Re: Le Mans start CB160 - Update from Barber
« Reply #99 on: May 10, 2016, 11:41:12 AM »
Definitely... I'm a big fan of RaceTech's products.

I've got their emulators and their springs ready to go.  I was going to assemble the forks this week. 

But I think I'll call them to double check the spring rate.  They sent me .90kg/mm, but I'm wondering if they should be softer.

- Chris
75' CB750F Orange flake (rider)
75' CB750F Blue (Project)
75' CB750F Painted black (Project)
No Reserve Racing #171 AHRMA