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Re: My faith in humanity is restored for the moment at least....
« Reply #50 on: May 06, 2015, 04:43:56 PM »
Screw the conservative or liberal blame game. Has anyone considered simply teaching our children to obey the law? Is it really that far fetched of an idea?
Man! That's crazy talk!!! What would all the elitists do with their spare time if not govern our lives?  :D
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« Reply #51 on: May 06, 2015, 05:05:16 PM »
Pretty sure my last comment did not fully blame liberals. I said they just suck more. Quit putting words in my mouth and this would be a better debate.
As usual I bring up real issues and get attached with broad sweeping statements.
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« Reply #52 on: May 06, 2015, 05:10:52 PM »
Right on RR that is/was part of my argument. The rest of you guys should have more brights than to frame as left or right, you are being manipulated, you say in the states that the liberals are the problem in Canada the conservatives are the problem they are destroying what was a reasonable country trying to make it into Tea Party North which might sound to be reasonable to you in the south, but we don't have the same history as you, we never had the same political system, we are not Republicans we don't live in a republic so trying to force us into a united states is idiocy but the good old Conservatives haven't sorted that out yet. As far the other difference, firearms we don't need guns here in the same way you guys do One of our hero's was a sargeant  by the name of Sam Steele NWMP look him up and you be a little clearer on our gun culture. I suppose the only way I would support the Left Right dialogue  is if you said the #$%*ing idiots in this organization have gone overboard with social justice to buy votes or the #$%*s have dropped us into a conflict for money again. Left Right has #$%* to do with it.
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« Reply #53 on: May 06, 2015, 06:26:42 PM »
Lol. ANOTHER PERSON ARGUING FROM OUTSIDE THIS COUNTRY!!!!!
Do I comment on Canada?!?! You guys do not live here and are commenting on what you read and hear in the news!
What a wasted debate, you can't even give me your opinion, it means nothing. You know nothing about reality here in our cities so shut it!!!!! Apparently u missed the part about how I work in a city and deal with people face to face.
Think about it all you want bill. I could care less what you think. The last time I thought about Canada was when I was nineteen and wanted to drink legally.
I'm done arguing with people from outside the U.S. What a waste.
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« Reply #54 on: May 06, 2015, 07:13:19 PM »
sorry JW, but just because you live in the city really means little.  Dealing with people face to face?  Pretty hard to really do as a police officer...just a little bit of a power discrepancy going on there, isn't there?  Sounds to me like Bill and Retro are more experienced, thoughtful, informed and educated than the average American who thinks the media is "liberal"...and the only reason argueing with them is a waste to you is because you are losing the argument.
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« Reply #55 on: May 06, 2015, 09:56:39 PM »
The root of the problem is that liberals suck and Conservatives suck less. I'll vote for the next person that is not a politician, that will run the country like a business to get rid of the national debt, make decisions based on what is best for the country(not their party), have a sense of how to deal with foreign affairs and reform welfare the irs etc.
People here want to make comments about this country having a police state while our current government(Obama, holder) attacks people before facts are released. Then they have the irs go after people because of their party affiliation/ religious beliefs. I would also like to know the benefit of open borders besides bringing more uneducated poor people here to get on welfare and then vote  democrat. Meanwhilev these same LIBERALS that make our country less safe by exiting a still active war against a fanatical enemy only to allow them to regroup and be even more pissed off, will eventually attempt to vote in another dynasty(Clinton) who will sell our countries uranium to the RUSSIANS that will ultimately deal with Iran, both of whom would blow our country off the map with the right opportunity. If that sounds like a healthy proposition, let's get off the liberals and keep voting for career politicians that put themselves and their party first then lie to the American people because they can.

And you have the nerve to complain about being "attacked with broad sweeping statements".  Do you understand irony? ;D

I just can't take anything you say seriously...it's hilarious really.  Just one example to show how uniformed you are.  You make a statement about "liberals exiting a still active war".  Iraq I presume. 

    In 2008 George W. Bush signed the U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA).  It included a specific date, 30 June 2009, by which American forces should withdraw from Iraqi cities, and a complete withdrawal date from Iraqi territory by 31 December 2011. The last U.S. troops left Iraq on 18 December 2011, in accordance with this agreement.
     President Obama announced his revision to the original date of withdrawal of combat troops from Iraq. The revision was to extend the original date of 30 June 2009 for an additional 10 months, to 31 August 2010. After which all but a "transitional force" of 35,000 to 50,000 troops would be withdrawn. President Obama reaffirmed the commitment to the original complete withdraw date of 31 December 2011.
     Negotiations between the U.S. and Iraq for a new SOFA began in fall 2010.  The biggest sticking point was legal immunity for U.S. troops. The U.S. asked Iraq to agree to the question of immunity but the Iraqis were unwilling to accept anything that infringed on their sovereignty.  Without this immunity the U.S. was unwilling to leave combat troops stationed in Iraq that could be subject to the Iraqi legal system.  American commanders in the field also worried about the Sadrist response should troops stay as some factions in the Iraq government wanted the U.S. troops out. 

I could refute virtually everything in your silly post  but it's not really all that important......you're just a stranger on the internet hiding behind an avatar making claims and silly statements.  I would suggest that you try and be a little better informed instead of just spouting bumper sticker slogans you get off wing nut radio or cable "news" programs.
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« Reply #56 on: May 07, 2015, 02:54:35 AM »
^^^^LOL! Still Bush's fault?
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« Reply #57 on: May 07, 2015, 03:01:06 AM »
Lol. ANOTHER PERSON ARGUING FROM OUTSIDE THIS COUNTRY!!!!!
Do I comment on Canada?!?! You guys do not live here and are commenting on what you read and hear in the news!
What a wasted debate, you can't even give me your opinion, it means nothing. You know nothing about reality here in our cities so shut it!!!!! Apparently u missed the part about how I work in a city and deal with people face to face.
Think about it all you want bill. I could care less what you think. The last time I thought about Canada was when I was nineteen and wanted to drink legally.
I'm done arguing with people from outside the U.S. What a waste.

Yup, that's the reality here.  All these experts who live outside the country or see a big city once or twice in their life.  But they saw waht happened on TV, read a newspaper and that makes them well informed. 

Reminds me of visitors, usually people who are in USA for a week or two have the best ideas how to fix everything, from crimes in cities to healthcare.  And if you try to comment on their countries, they will rat you to the administrator, because with all the #$%*ing about USA, their own skin is very thin and self confidence very fragile.

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Re: My faith in humanity is restored for the moment at least....
« Reply #58 on: May 07, 2015, 03:15:49 AM »
Lol. ANOTHER PERSON ARGUING FROM OUTSIDE THIS COUNTRY!!!!!
Do I comment on Canada?!?! You guys do not live here and are commenting on what you read and hear in the news!
What a wasted debate, you can't even give me your opinion, it means nothing. You know nothing about reality here in our cities so shut it!!!!! Apparently u missed the part about how I work in a city and deal with people face to face.
Think about it all you want bill. I could care less what you think. The last time I thought about Canada was when I was nineteen and wanted to drink legally.
I'm done arguing with people from outside the U.S. What a waste.

Yup, that's the reality here.  All these experts who live outside the country or see a big city once or twice in their life.  But they saw waht happened on TV, read a newspaper and that makes them well informed. 

Reminds me of visitors, usually people who are in USA for a week or two have the best ideas how to fix everything, from crimes in cities to healthcare.  And if you try to comment on their countries, they will rat you to the administrator, because with all the #$%*ing about USA, their own skin is very thin and self confidence very fragile.

When are you going to write something you actually know in one of your posts, all assumptions, no fact.... You did notice Americans commenting too or doesn't that fit your agenda..?
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Re: My faith in humanity is restored for the moment at least....
« Reply #59 on: May 07, 2015, 03:53:04 AM »
Actually I've lived in your country  for a  while a couple of years in the LA area worked there for a aircraft company so I'm not completely a stranger must be a #$%* of having to have the US against them attitude all the time. I suppose it would grind on ones soul after a bit. That's why I don't live in a city anymore even though I lived in 2 or 3 see as you get time in you can be in more than one place Oh and Prokop I wouldn't rat any one out I spent too long in the R.C.A.F. not to realize that most of of the ratting problems are self correcting.
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Re: My faith in humanity is restored for the moment at least....
« Reply #60 on: May 07, 2015, 04:50:37 AM »

The root of the problem is that liberals suck and Conservatives suck less. I'll vote for the next person that is not a politician, that will run the country like a business to get rid of the national debt, make decisions based on what is best for the country(not their party), have a sense of how to deal with foreign affairs and reform welfare the irs etc.
People here want to make comments about this country having a police state while our current government(Obama, holder) attacks people before facts are released. Then they have the irs go after people because of their party affiliation/ religious beliefs. I would also like to know the benefit of open borders besides bringing more uneducated poor people here to get on welfare and then vote  democrat. Meanwhilev these same LIBERALS that make our country less safe by exiting a still active war against a fanatical enemy only to allow them to regroup and be even more pissed off, will eventually attempt to vote in another dynasty(Clinton) who will sell our countries uranium to the RUSSIANS that will ultimately deal with Iran, both of whom would blow our country off the map with the right opportunity. If that sounds like a healthy proposition, let's get off the liberals and keep voting for career politicians that put themselves and their party first then lie to the American people because they can.

And you have the nerve to complain about being "attacked with broad sweeping statements".  Do you understand irony? ;D

I just can't take anything you say seriously...it's hilarious really.  Just one example to show how uniformed you are.  You make a statement about "liberals exiting a still active war".  Iraq I presume. 

    In 2008 George W. Bush signed the U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA).  It included a specific date, 30 June 2009, by which American forces should withdraw from Iraqi cities, and a complete withdrawal date from Iraqi territory by 31 December 2011. The last U.S. troops left Iraq on 18 December 2011, in accordance with this agreement.
     President Obama announced his revision to the original date of withdrawal of combat troops from Iraq. The revision was to extend the original date of 30 June 2009 for an additional 10 months, to 31 August 2010. After which all but a "transitional force" of 35,000 to 50,000 troops would be withdrawn. President Obama reaffirmed the commitment to the original complete withdraw date of 31 December 2011.
     Negotiations between the U.S. and Iraq for a new SOFA began in fall 2010.  The biggest sticking point was legal immunity for U.S. troops. The U.S. asked Iraq to agree to the question of immunity but the Iraqis were unwilling to accept anything that infringed on their sovereignty.  Without this immunity the U.S. was unwilling to leave combat troops stationed in Iraq that could be subject to the Iraqi legal system.  American commanders in the field also worried about the Sadrist response should troops stay as some factions in the Iraq government wanted the U.S. troops out. 

When bush signed SOFA the government in Iraq was heading in a desirable direction with the appearance of democratic elections. After the Obama administration took over, the Iraqi PM Maliki was making moves towards a tyrannical government by ousting Sunnis from government positions. At this point in time, Obama turns a blind eye to these actions by Maliki and repeatedly tells the American people that democracy in Iraq is doing well. Meanwhile Maliki is planting the seeds for the civil war we have today in Iraq.
To sum this up because you may not understand it, Obama decided to turn a blind eye to the political state of Iraq and did not make an attempt to stay in Iraq because he was going for re election in 2012. He knew the American people lost their appetite for war and used that to his advantage for re election.
Isis was able to grow, take over large portions of the Sunni held anbar province while also growing abroad, as we see with Charlie hebdo and Texas as they claim.
Before you twist my words, I'm not saying the war was good, just that there is a good way to exit and a not so good way. The not so good way is the one where people have their heads cut off and are burned alive because they don't have the same beliefs.
Hard to remember a modern war where we did not establish and maintain a military base on foreign soil. Korea, Japan, Germany to name a few bases.
Doesn't matter if they wanted us there or not. We did invade them After all without their permission.

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« Reply #61 on: May 07, 2015, 05:49:44 AM »
Since we can't seem to find common ground, perhaps I could slide in that I think the CB450 is the most impressive bike Honda ever built. So all you 750 guys take note, you're riding the first loser bike  ::)
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« Reply #62 on: May 07, 2015, 05:52:23 AM »
On a slightly more serious note, perhaps we can all agree that we will disagree on many things and dispense with the acrimony and bitterness. The world isn't what it used to be and that's a good thing. But, it has created immense new challenges and we must find a means forward, together, to improve what's broken.

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« Reply #63 on: May 07, 2015, 06:20:53 AM »
Cal I've always wanted a 450 to breathe on cause I think you could have a most impressive 500cc class bike i'm still not sure why Honda didn't continue development, the ones I drove at the bike shop were always fun I liked it better than the 500 4, it handled better to me but then I'm an old Trumpet man and twins I was used to. Now of course with all the projects I've got it wouldn't do me any good to lay my fingers on one.
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« Reply #64 on: May 07, 2015, 03:43:30 PM »
All I can say about all this is in regards to the video the OP posted. I'm sure the world was amused by the mother's disciplinary tactics she used on her son and the son no doubt thoroughly embarrassed by having it not only broadcast via national TV but the internet as well. However IF that young man is able to keep his life on the "straight and narrow" then I have a strong hunch that there will be a day in his life when he looks back at this with a big loving smile and say to himself that he's got the best mom in the whole wide world.

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« Reply #65 on: May 07, 2015, 04:09:38 PM »
Right on BailGang mind you there will probably a 20-25 year gap there  Because of the way things are going, the increasing us against them attitude, the families are the ones that have to look after their kith and kin and to hell with the rest of the world that discussion was had with both daughters together and seperately  several times starting with "I don't give a #$%* what other kids do, you are a Mcintosh"
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« Reply #66 on: May 12, 2015, 10:37:25 PM »
^^^^LOL! Still Bush's fault?

Not sure what your point is?  I just stated that Obama followed through on a treaty/agreement that was negotiated and signed by the Bush administration.  Are you saying G.W. Bush did not negotiate the SOFA agreement that set the timetable for the withdrawl of troops from Iraq?  Or are you saying that an administration is not responsible for treaties, agreements, or policies it carries out once it leaves office?  If that's the case what are you poor folks who suffer from Obama Derangement Syndrome gonna do once he leaves office.  Nothing will be his fault anymore according to your logic.  Well I suppose when Hillary becomes the new POTUS a new syndrome will emerge...I can hardly wait. ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #67 on: May 13, 2015, 12:08:51 AM »
Hillary-ous!!!!! Lol

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« Reply #68 on: May 13, 2015, 04:10:34 AM »
  If that's the case what are you poor folks who suffer from Obama Derangement Syndrome gonna do once he leaves office. 
Celebrate wildly?
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« Reply #69 on: May 13, 2015, 04:54:14 AM »
  If that's the case what are you poor folks who suffer from Obama Derangement Syndrome gonna do once he leaves office. 
Celebrate wildly?

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