Author Topic: Few quick questions about wiseco 836 drop ins (Read 9054 times)

cbr954 · « **Reply #25 on:** May 06, 2015, 04:41:30 am »

If Carrillo rods are too spendy I have also been using the Cycle X superrods in a 970 for several years, they are beefier then stock but a bit heavier than stock, lot bigger bolts and bushed wrist pin ends. I ran stock rods that I had shot peened in a 836 for many years.

creepxstreet · « **Reply #26 on:** May 06, 2015, 06:44:20 am »

This winter will be getting rods. I don't feel like having the bike down Any longer.

How much does the APE lightweight crank weigh? I didn't know they offered a combo with the carillos and that's looking very attractive for when it all comes back apart this winter.

I appreciate all the advice guys.

Last thing that hasn't been answered is my question about ring gap? All the clymer manual gives is max ring gap and I don't want to just assume the new wiseco rings are gapped

PeWe · « **Reply #27 on:** May 06, 2015, 01:16:58 pm »

Ultra crank with carillos does not cost that much more than the CycleX cranks with their Superrods.
Wiseco has instruction about ring gaps and how they should be mounted. I've seen it on this forum where it has been discussed in several threads
http://www.wiseco.com/PDFs/Manuals/RingEndGap.pdf

creepxstreet · « **Reply #28 on:** May 06, 2015, 01:22:13 pm »

Awesome thank you PeWe

cbr954 · « **Reply #29 on:** May 06, 2015, 03:43:48 pm »

Quote from: PeWe on May 06, 2015, 01:16:58 pm

Ultra crank with carillos does not cost that much more than the CycleX cranks with their Superrods.

http://www.wiseco.com/PDFs/Manuals/RingEndGap.pdf

About $400 difference between the Carrillo and the Super Rods. For just a 836 that is a lot of extra parts that could could be bought. The Carrillos are better then the Super Rods but for the engine size I think the extra money could be put elsewhere unless it is going to be for racing.

MRieck · « **Reply #30 on:** May 06, 2015, 04:50:25 pm »

The Super Rods are only a few more grams heavier than stock....not a big deal. Carrillo's are nice....the best out there. To bad they don't have their "A" beam rod for the 750...that would be a great combo of weight and price.
I want to say Jay takes about 2 lbs off the crank... maybe he'll see this and comment. I'd have him knock the galley sealing balls out too.....well worth the money.

creepxstreet · « **Reply #31 on:** May 06, 2015, 07:35:41 pm »

Quote from: cbr954 on May 06, 2015, 03:43:48 pm

About $400 difference between the Carrillo and the Super Rods. For just a 836 that is a lot of extra parts that could could be bought. The Carrillos are better then the Super Rods but for the engine size I think the extra money could be put elsewhere unless it is going to be for racing.

hes speaking on the crank/rods combo from either retailer, its less than $200 difference.

this winter the engine will be coming apart to update everything i didnt feel like doing now. primary and cam chains, probably have the trans undercut, lightweight crank, rods, and lightweight charging system. i want a bullet proof set up that i can beat on whenever i want that will be happy with 11krpms every time i ride the bike. after the engine is back in ill be getting a decent set of rear shocks. theres really nowhere else to spend the money haha

cbr954 · « **Reply #32 on:** May 06, 2015, 08:06:18 pm »

Fair enough...the APE crank assembly was $1400 and the Cycle X assembly was $1000 hence the $400 difference that I stated after looking on there web sites. If you want bullet proof go with the Carrillos I guess. Either way I have run a stock bottom end with the 836 so i would think you will be ok for now you will just be out the cost of the gaskets when you tear it down again. I would still go with the heavy duty cylinder studs this time around though.

SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan · « **Reply #33 on:** May 06, 2015, 09:09:02 pm »

Damn those Carrillos are awesome but a little spendy for me. I went with the Cycle X superrods and a lightened and balanced crank.

PeWe · « **Reply #34 on:** May 07, 2015, 12:55:51 pm »

Quote from: CB750 Cafe Racer Fan on May 06, 2015, 09:09:02 pm

Damn those Carrillos are awesome but a little spendy for me. I went with the Cycle X superrods and a lightened and balanced crank.

Thats not bad either! My engine want that too...

SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan · « **Reply #35 on:** May 07, 2015, 02:15:52 pm »

If cost were no object, I'd go for the Carrillo Rods, but I had to think what was going to give me the best value for the buck.

bwaller · « **Reply #36 on:** May 07, 2015, 04:50:42 pm »

Come on Don you know you want those Carrillos. What's a few extra bucks.

SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan · « **Reply #37 on:** May 07, 2015, 04:55:34 pm »

Quote from: bwaller on May 07, 2015, 04:50:42 pm

Come on Don you know you want those Carrillos. What's a few extra bucks.

Stop it, Brent. You know I'm weak. You already got me to spring for the CMR Swingarm by showing off yours!

Retro Rocket · « **Reply #38 on:** May 07, 2015, 05:16:43 pm »

Quote from: CB750 Cafe Racer Fan on May 07, 2015, 04:55:34 pm

Quote from: bwaller on May 07, 2015, 04:50:42 pm
Come on Don you know you want those Carrillos. What's a few extra bucks.

Stop it, Brent. You know I'm weak. You already got me to spring for the CMR Swingarm by showing off yours!

Don, i'm scraping dollars for my bikes but, Carrillo's for the beast , no compromises at all...

SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan · « **Reply #39 on:** May 07, 2015, 05:24:42 pm »

Quote from: Retro Rocket on May 07, 2015, 05:16:43 pm

Quote from: CB750 Cafe Racer Fan on May 07, 2015, 04:55:34 pm
Quote from: bwaller on May 07, 2015, 04:50:42 pm
Come on Don you know you want those Carrillos. What's a few extra bucks.

Stop it, Brent. You know I'm weak. You already got me to spring for the CMR Swingarm by showing off yours!

Don, i'm scraping dollars for my bikes but, Carrillo's for the beast , no compromises at all...

Yeah, Mick. That will be good insurance with the 1000cc Mike Rieck billet block. I have a feeling that motor is going to have some substantial GRUNT.

creepxstreet · « **Reply #40 on:** May 07, 2015, 07:14:22 pm »

Got my engine broke down tonight. Gonna order a new cam tensioner and guides because the wheels and slide don't look too good. Tomorrow I'm gonna take the oil pan off the bottom and see how that stuff looks. Is that another paper gasket or should I use rtv or hondabond? What about the plugs in the head for the 4 head boots under the head?

SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan · « **Reply #41 on:** May 07, 2015, 09:14:31 pm »

That's a solid idea. That roller is roached.

creepxstreet · « **Reply #42 on:** May 08, 2015, 07:07:04 am »

These bad Larry's came in the mail today along with a valve cover gasket.

SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan · « **Reply #43 on:** May 08, 2015, 07:56:41 am »

Damn those RS34s are sharp. I haven't fitted a set but new rubber manifolds/carb boots are recommended along with ratcheting tie downs. Apparently, they do not go on easy.

creepxstreet · « **Reply #44 on:** May 08, 2015, 07:59:22 am »

New 77/78 manifolds are on there way as per Kens recommendation.

Old Scrambler · « **Reply #45 on:** May 08, 2015, 05:54:51 pm »

With soft F2 manifolds on a 410 head............3 muscular hands on the carbs and one on a dental-pick to keep one manifold from folding did the trick for me.

PeWe · « **Reply #46 on:** May 09, 2015, 11:49:26 am »

Heat gun to soften up the rubber helped me to fit the carbs on the rubber boots. VM29's, and my last TMR32.
Heat up carefully without burning the rubber.

creepxstreet · « **Reply #47 on:** May 09, 2015, 07:51:54 pm »

Ugh it's so nice out.

PeWe · « **Reply #48 on:** May 09, 2015, 11:41:15 pm »

Let's hope for rain and thunderstorms then

MRieck · « **Reply #49 on:** May 10, 2015, 06:26:14 am »

The F2 spigots are larger than all of the other CB750 heads.....those insulators will be a bit loose on your head unless it is an F2. Where did you get new F2 insulators....CMSNL etc?

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Author Topic: Few quick questions about wiseco 836 drop ins (Read 9054 times)