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Re: Lower front fork by sliding tube in triple tree
« Reply #50 on: May 14, 2015, 09:26:17 PM »
I was considering mounting Tarozzi low rise clip-ons above the triple and just pushing up the forks enough to mount the clip-ons. Haven't received the clip-ons yet but its looks as the mounting bracket is about an inch or less? My theory is the riding stance wont be so aggressive as clubman bars when mounting above the triple. Any input from the experts would be appreciated.


Edit: This is on a 78 CB750K

Can you comfortably do 50-75 sit-ups? Every day? If the answer is no then clip-ons are all show for you. Raising your fork 40 mm is also going to make drastic changes in the handling and stability of your bike (not the good kind), although it will have a #$%*in' "stance" as it sits outside Starbucks.

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Re: Lower front fork by sliding tube in triple tree
« Reply #51 on: May 15, 2015, 07:09:26 AM »
I was considering mounting Tarozzi low rise clip-ons above the triple and just pushing up the forks enough to mount the clip-ons. Haven't received the clip-ons yet but its looks as the mounting bracket is about an inch or less? My theory is the riding stance wont be so aggressive as clubman bars when mounting above the triple. Any input from the experts would be appreciated.


Edit: This is on a 78 CB750K

Can you comfortably do 50-75 sit-ups? Every day? If the answer is no then clip-ones are all show for you. Raising your fork 40 mm is also going to make drastic changes in the handling and stability of your bike (not the good kind), although it will have a #$%*in' "stance" as it sits outside Starbucks.

Everything about that comment made me smile. lol Well said.
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Re: Lower front fork by sliding tube in triple tree
« Reply #52 on: May 15, 2015, 07:15:58 AM »
I really shouldn't have, but...
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Re: Lower front fork by sliding tube in triple tree
« Reply #53 on: May 15, 2015, 07:50:28 AM »
I really shouldn't have, but...
Yes you should hvave. There's no harm in expressing an experienced opinion.
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Re: Lower front fork by sliding tube in triple tree
« Reply #54 on: May 15, 2015, 08:02:38 AM »

I was considering mounting Tarozzi low rise clip-ons above the triple and just pushing up the forks enough to mount the clip-ons. Haven't received the clip-ons yet but its looks as the mounting bracket is about an inch or less? My theory is the riding stance wont be so aggressive as clubman bars when mounting above the triple. Any input from the experts would be appreciated.


Edit: This is on a 78 CB750K

Can you comfortably do 50-75 sit-ups? Every day? If the answer is no then clip-ons are all show for you. Raising your fork 40 mm is also going to make drastic changes in the handling and stability of your bike (not the good kind), although it will have a #$%*in' "stance" as it sits outside Starbucks.

Anatomically speaking, is this correct? What about having clipons activates abdominals? Am I misunderstanding?


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Re: Lower front fork by sliding tube in triple tree
« Reply #55 on: May 15, 2015, 08:41:23 AM »

I was considering mounting Tarozzi low rise clip-ons above the triple and just pushing up the forks enough to mount the clip-ons. Haven't received the clip-ons yet but its looks as the mounting bracket is about an inch or less? My theory is the riding stance wont be so aggressive as clubman bars when mounting above the triple. Any input from the experts would be appreciated.


Edit: This is on a 78 CB750K

Can you comfortably do 50-75 sit-ups? Every day? If the answer is no then clip-ons are all show for you. Raising your fork 40 mm is also going to make drastic changes in the handling and stability of your bike (not the good kind), although it will have a #$%*in' "stance" as it sits outside Starbucks.

Anatomically speaking, is this correct? What about having clipons activates abdominals? Am I misunderstanding?


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Assuming that's a serious question, yes. Putting your bars at roughly the same height as your navel will move a lot of your weight forward. If all that weight ends up on your hands and wrists because you're not fit enough to support yourself with your core, you will ride poorly, your body will absorb a lot of punishment from the front suspension, you'll get tired sooner, and control and safety will be compromised.

Very low bars and the riding position they create can do wonderful things to the handling and control of a motorcycle of course, lowering the COG and moving it closer to the center of mass so the bike turns better, reducing the pendulum effect of an upright riding position, and improving aerodynamics. It is properly combined with higher and more rear set pegs which facilitate the use of your legs to shift your weight during all this high performance cornering you're obviously planning on doing, and also increases clearance of the footpegs to help keep the pegs off the ground at those lurid lean angles you'll be generating. If you don't use rear sets with very low bars (Clubman, for instance, or clip-ons) then you end up folded up on the bike.

But if you can't support yourself with your abdomen in this riding position, then it's all a waste of time and money, and purely for show.

Raising the fork tubes 40mm has been previously...explored in this very thread. It's a frankly stupid, dangerous idea, will make the bike a lot less stable and will severely compromise cornering clearance. If you really must have clip-ons for some perceived value to your riding experience, they belong BELOW the top clamp, and you might need to find a welder to add some material to the plate on the steering head that provides steering lock side to side, or they're going to hit the tank at full lock. You're going to have the turning radius of a F-150, by the way.

If you're building a piece of ass-jewelry that you don't actually intend to ride anywhere other than Starbucks, have at it man. Head on over to Dime City or Carpy's or any of a half-dozen other vendors selling crap like this. They will be delighted to sell you all this stuff and more, never mind how it works. It's your bike and I salute your creativity.

More than you wanted to know probably, and my spleen thanks you for the opportunity to vent it.

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Re: Lower front fork by sliding tube in triple tree
« Reply #56 on: May 15, 2015, 10:04:19 AM »


I was considering mounting Tarozzi low rise clip-ons above the triple and just pushing up the forks enough to mount the clip-ons. Haven't received the clip-ons yet but its looks as the mounting bracket is about an inch or less? My theory is the riding stance wont be so aggressive as clubman bars when mounting above the triple. Any input from the experts would be appreciated.


Edit: This is on a 78 CB750K

Can you comfortably do 50-75 sit-ups? Every day? If the answer is no then clip-ons are all show for you. Raising your fork 40 mm is also going to make drastic changes in the handling and stability of your bike (not the good kind), although it will have a #$%*in' "stance" as it sits outside Starbucks.

Anatomically speaking, is this correct? What about having clipons activates abdominals? Am I misunderstanding?


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Assuming that's a serious question, yes. Putting your bars at roughly the same height as your navel will move a lot of your weight forward. If all that weight ends up on your hands and wrists because you're not fit enough to support yourself with your core, you will ride poorly, your body will absorb a lot of punishment from the front suspension, you'll get tired sooner, and control and safety will be compromised.

More than you wanted to know probably, and my spleen thanks you for the opportunity to vent it.

Yes, it was a serious question. Since abdominals would pull your upper half towards the front of the bike increasing pressure on your hands I was confused. But you're talking core for stability. Got ya. And maybe good I asked because I have rearsets and clipons and my right hand has been going numb after about 35 minutes of riding twisties. I'm physically fit but I feel a lot of pressure on my hands. New grips in the mail (Randakks) because my current ones are hard and thin. Hoping that'll help. I'm also short (barely 5'6" so I fear my rearsets are TOO far backwards. I might need to be able to have my feet more under me than they currently are.

Didn't mean to hijack, no need for anyone to respond unless they want to.

Your spleen is welcome.


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Re: Lower front fork by sliding tube in triple tree
« Reply #57 on: May 15, 2015, 10:15:13 AM »
There's clip-ons, rearsets, fork heights.

Then there's this guy.

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Re: Lower front fork by sliding tube in triple tree
« Reply #58 on: May 15, 2015, 10:26:31 AM »
There's clip-ons, rearsets, fork heights.

Then there's this guy.

Oh no Maurice, you're killing me. He's riding around sitting on his balls. Running slick tires on the street, with 1-inch chicken strips. This kind of "form over function" stuff makes me nuts (obviously).
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Re: Lower front fork by sliding tube in triple tree
« Reply #59 on: May 15, 2015, 10:38:21 AM »


I was considering mounting Tarozzi low rise clip-ons above the triple and just pushing up the forks enough to mount the clip-ons. Haven't received the clip-ons yet but its looks as the mounting bracket is about an inch or less? My theory is the riding stance wont be so aggressive as clubman bars when mounting above the triple. Any input from the experts would be appreciated.


Edit: This is on a 78 CB750K

Can you comfortably do 50-75 sit-ups? Every day? If the answer is no then clip-ons are all show for you. Raising your fork 40 mm is also going to make drastic changes in the handling and stability of your bike (not the good kind), although it will have a #$%*in' "stance" as it sits outside Starbucks.

Anatomically speaking, is this correct? What about having clipons activates abdominals? Am I misunderstanding?


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1978 Honda CB550K

Assuming that's a serious question, yes. Putting your bars at roughly the same height as your navel will move a lot of your weight forward. If all that weight ends up on your hands and wrists because you're not fit enough to support yourself with your core, you will ride poorly, your body will absorb a lot of punishment from the front suspension, you'll get tired sooner, and control and safety will be compromised.

More than you wanted to know probably, and my spleen thanks you for the opportunity to vent it.

Yes, it was a serious question. Since abdominals would pull your upper half towards the front of the bike increasing pressure on your hands I was confused. But you're talking core for stability. Got ya. And maybe good I asked because I have rearsets and clipons and my right hand has been going numb after about 35 minutes of riding twisties. I'm physically fit but I feel a lot of pressure on my hands. New grips in the mail (Randakks) because my current ones are hard and thin. Hoping that'll help. I'm also short (barely 5'6" so I fear my rearsets are TOO far backwards. I might need to be able to have my feet more under me than they currently are.

Didn't mean to hijack, no need for anyone to respond unless they want to.

Your spleen is welcome.


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If you're riding twisties, I promise to stop breaking your balls - in fact I apologize for doing it. If you dig that position and it works for you other than the pain and numbness, then consider some pads for the side of your tank and experiment with gripping the tank with you knees and consciously try to take weight off your hands. Weighting the pegs will help too. You'll find you gain a lot more feel for the front end in your hands and have finer control. Taking weight off your hands and bending your elbows (as opposed to riding them locked like so many guys do) also lets the bike move under you a lot more fluidly, and with the primitive suspension we have, adding your body to the shock absorption will go a long way to keeping the chassis quiet.

I'm gonna shut up now, and I promise not to rant about this stuff for a full month.
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Re: Lower front fork by sliding tube in triple tree
« Reply #60 on: May 15, 2015, 10:41:55 AM »
There's clip-ons, rearsets, fork heights.

Then there's this guy.

Oh no Maurice, you're killing me. He's riding around sitting on his balls. Running slick tires on the street, with 1-inch chicken strips. This kind of "form over function" stuff makes me nuts (obviously).

Yeah... So much going on I don't know where to start. Poor 550, that flat tracker seat...

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Re: Lower front fork by sliding tube in triple tree
« Reply #61 on: May 15, 2015, 11:31:40 AM »
There's clip-ons, rearsets, fork heights.

Then there's this guy.

Oh no Maurice, you're killing me. He's riding around sitting on his balls. Running slick tires on the street, with 1-inch chicken strips. This kind of "form over function" stuff makes me nuts (obviously).

Yeah... So much going on I don't know where to start. Poor 550, that flat tracker seat...

He doesn't look comfortable...'form over function'
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Re: Lower front fork by sliding tube in triple tree
« Reply #62 on: May 15, 2015, 11:44:33 AM »


I was considering mounting Tarozzi low rise clip-ons above the triple and just pushing up the forks enough to mount the clip-ons. Haven't received the clip-ons yet but its looks as the mounting bracket is about an inch or less? My theory is the riding stance wont be so aggressive as clubman bars when mounting above the triple. Any input from the experts would be appreciated.


Edit: This is on a 78 CB750K

Can you comfortably do 50-75 sit-ups? Every day? If the answer is no then clip-ons are all show for you. Raising your fork 40 mm is also going to make drastic changes in the handling and stability of your bike (not the good kind), although it will have a #$%*in' "stance" as it sits outside Starbucks.

Anatomically speaking, is this correct? What about having clipons activates abdominals? Am I misunderstanding?


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1978 Honda CB550K

Assuming that's a serious question, yes. Putting your bars at roughly the same height as your navel will move a lot of your weight forward. If all that weight ends up on your hands and wrists because you're not fit enough to support yourself with your core, you will ride poorly, your body will absorb a lot of punishment from the front suspension, you'll get tired sooner, and control and safety will be compromised.

More than you wanted to know probably, and my spleen thanks you for the opportunity to vent it.

Yes, it was a serious question. Since abdominals would pull your upper half towards the front of the bike increasing pressure on your hands I was confused. But you're talking core for stability. Got ya. And maybe good I asked because I have rearsets and clipons and my right hand has been going numb after about 35 minutes of riding twisties. I'm physically fit but I feel a lot of pressure on my hands. New grips in the mail (Randakks) because my current ones are hard and thin. Hoping that'll help. I'm also short (barely 5'6" so I fear my rearsets are TOO far backwards. I might need to be able to have my feet more under me than they currently are.

Didn't mean to hijack, no need for anyone to respond unless they want to.

Your spleen is welcome.


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Nils is spot on.  For any kind of aggressive riding, you should be gripping the tank with your knees and keeping your body in position with your abs, especially under braking.
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2008 Triumph Thruxton (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,190956.0.html)
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Re: Lower front fork by sliding tube in triple tree
« Reply #63 on: May 15, 2015, 12:11:32 PM »



I was considering mounting Tarozzi low rise clip-ons above the triple and just pushing up the forks enough to mount the clip-ons. Haven't received the clip-ons yet but its looks as the mounting bracket is about an inch or less? My theory is the riding stance wont be so aggressive as clubman bars when mounting above the triple. Any input from the experts would be appreciated.


Edit: This is on a 78 CB750K

Can you comfortably do 50-75 sit-ups? Every day? If the answer is no then clip-ons are all show for you. Raising your fork 40 mm is also going to make drastic changes in the handling and stability of your bike (not the good kind), although it will have a #$%*in' "stance" as it sits outside Starbucks.

Anatomically speaking, is this correct? What about having clipons activates abdominals? Am I misunderstanding?


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Assuming that's a serious question, yes. Putting your bars at roughly the same height as your navel will move a lot of your weight forward. If all that weight ends up on your hands and wrists because you're not fit enough to support yourself with your core, you will ride poorly, your body will absorb a lot of punishment from the front suspension, you'll get tired sooner, and control and safety will be compromised.

More than you wanted to know probably, and my spleen thanks you for the opportunity to vent it.

Yes, it was a serious question. Since abdominals would pull your upper half towards the front of the bike increasing pressure on your hands I was confused. But you're talking core for stability. Got ya. And maybe good I asked because I have rearsets and clipons and my right hand has been going numb after about 35 minutes of riding twisties. I'm physically fit but I feel a lot of pressure on my hands. New grips in the mail (Randakks) because my current ones are hard and thin. Hoping that'll help. I'm also short (barely 5'6" so I fear my rearsets are TOO far backwards. I might need to be able to have my feet more under me than they currently are.

Didn't mean to hijack, no need for anyone to respond unless they want to.

Your spleen is welcome.


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If you're riding twisties, I promise to stop breaking your balls - in fact I apologize for doing it. If you dig that position and it works for you other than the pain and numbness, then consider some pads for the side of your tank and experiment with gripping the tank with you knees and consciously try to take weight off your hands. Weighting the pegs will help too. You'll find you gain a lot more feel for the front end in your hands and have finer control. Taking weight off your hands and bending your elbows (as opposed to riding them locked like so many guys do) also lets the bike move under you a lot more fluidly, and with the primitive suspension we have, adding your body to the shock absorption will go a long way to keeping the chassis quiet.

I'm gonna shut up now, and I promise not to rant about this stuff for a full month.

Nils is spot on.  For any kind of aggressive riding, you should be gripping the tank with your knees and keeping your body in position with your abs, especially under braking.

There are some pretty nice roads around here in southern CT. A little torn up from this past winter but still fun. Of course I ride highway and regular main roads too, but to have fun I'm out in the twisties. Probably one of the main issues is that my knees fall low on the tank. Not as drastic as the guy in the video, haha, but still enough where it's not as comfortable or easy to grip. Like I said, I may have to move my rearsets forward a bit. But first getting new grips will help hopefully. I'll focus on that more, seems like I should be "working" the bike more than just holding on and being rigid. Still a fairly new rider, but might as well learn proper form from the get go.

Thanks guys


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