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YES IT WAS THE BATTERY. CURRENTLY STRANDED! HAHA
« on: May 08, 2015, 11:31:08 AM »
After parking the bike yesterday after commuting to work and back, I went to start my bike this morning and the starter button did not produce the typical result (running bike). Yes, clutch lever is pulled in, and bike is in neutral for all of the following scenarios:

I was able to kickstart the bike and it ran fine, and 3 subsequent starts today with kicker were also fine. This makes me think it is NOT the battery that is the issue.

The digital gauge (Acewell 2853) would blink on and off, and the headlight dimmed. This makes me think it is NOT the switch that is the issue.

I jumped the solenoid posts, and the exact same happened as with the starter switch. This makes me think it is NOT the solenoid that is the issue.


The only other option is the starter motor, correct?



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« Last Edit: May 08, 2015, 12:50:38 PM by evanphi »
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Re: Possible starter motor issue...would like confirmation
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2015, 11:39:12 AM »
You can still kick start a bike with a ishtty battery  ;D
Test it.
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Re: Possible starter motor issue...would like confirmation
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2015, 11:41:38 AM »
I was just making an edit to my post and I lost it... :|

It was showing weak when I was using a battery load tester... and I'm buying a new AGM battery in a few days.

I will check actual load drop when I get home.
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Re: Possible starter motor issue...would like confirmation
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2015, 11:41:43 AM »
Battery I'd bet.

It MAY read 12.6V especially right after a charge but will probably drop. I'd take it into a store such as Advance Auto Parts and ask for a free load test. This will tell the REAL condition of your battery WHEN YOU HIT THE BUTTON. They have a good maintenance free AGM battery available also. Hope you are using or have a battery maintainer trickle charger. If not then get one and keep it hooked up when the bike isn't being ridden.

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Re: Possible starter motor issue...would like confirmation
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2015, 11:43:05 AM »
Battery I'd bet.

It MAY read 12.6V especially right after a charge but will probably drop. I'd take it into a store such as Advance Auto Parts and ask for a free load test. This will tell the REAL condition of your battery WHEN YOU HIT THE BUTTON. They have a good maintenance free AGM battery available also. Hope you are using or have a battery maintainer trickle charger. If not then get one and keep it hooked up when the bike isn't being ridden.



Yep, I tested it under load and it was showing weak. I've got a maintainer, and I'm getting a new battery soon.
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You can still kick start a bike with a ishtty battery  ;D
Test it.

Usually when I would try starting it with a bad battery the gauge would just shut right off. Or would that just be with a totally (or almost) dead battery, and this one is just weak under load?
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Delkevic Stainless 4-1 Header, Cone Engineering 18" Quiet Core Reverse Cone, K&N Filter in Drilled Airbox
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Re: YES IT WAS THE BATTERY. CURRENTLY STRANDED! HAHA
« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2015, 12:51:24 PM »
Hsieuskaifjdjskdj

It was the battery. Bike just died in traffic!

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

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Re: YES IT WAS THE BATTERY. CURRENTLY STRANDED! HAHA
« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2015, 01:01:43 PM »
Sucks man.  While riding, you should have maintained at least a little charge...
Once you get your new battery, you need to service your charging system.  I just spent a week going thru mine
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Re: YES IT WAS THE BATTERY. CURRENTLY STRANDED! HAHA
« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2015, 01:07:23 PM »
Battery can become bad really quick. One cell just dies.
I have had that problem with cars and my bike. OK one start, next no power for start.
My bike battery during a holiday going south from Sweden to Italy.
I did not have any problem until in Italy on a small winding road in the evening. I had to release throttle for a sharp corner, headlight just died. It was not pitch black so I saw the road enough and remembered how it looked like before light off. I had to keep the engine over 4000rpms. If not, no headlights, only glowing blinkers all 4. No blinker activatred on switch.
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Re: YES IT WAS THE BATTERY. CURRENTLY STRANDED! HAHA
« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2015, 01:08:22 PM »
Yeah the battery was on its last legs anyway. I let the fluid levels get too low and I was over charging it... Just placed an order for the new battery!
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« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2015, 06:54:55 PM »
We made it home!



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Re: YES IT WAS THE BATTERY. CURRENTLY STRANDED! HAHA
« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2015, 07:05:29 PM »
That BLOWS.  I've been there several times as a consequence of various mechanical gremlins.
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Re: YES IT WAS THE BATTERY. CURRENTLY STRANDED! HAHA
« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2015, 05:48:24 AM »
You need to make friends with someone who has a truck and or trailer  ;)

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« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2015, 09:24:57 AM »
Mother in law bailed me out with her CAA... Got the tow thanks to her!!!

« Last Edit: May 09, 2015, 03:46:37 PM by evanphi »
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« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2015, 11:37:20 AM »
You need to make friends with someone who has a truck and or trailer  ;)



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« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2015, 12:36:46 PM »
You need to make friends with someone who has a truck and or trailer  ;)



I bought my first truck because I was tired of asking people to pick me and my bike up when it would die.

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« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2015, 02:10:55 PM »
You need to make friends with someone who has a truck and or trailer  ;)



I bought my first truck because I was tired of asking people to pick me and my bike up when it would die.

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Bought mine because the Chicks dig it !!      ;D

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Re: YES IT WAS THE BATTERY. CURRENTLY STRANDED! HAHA
« Reply #18 on: May 10, 2015, 07:24:00 AM »
 Advance keeps bringing me batteries with the hot on the left side. Two years in a row, I can't get one there.
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« Reply #19 on: May 10, 2015, 03:44:14 PM »
For cb750s do you have to pull in the clutch for it to start even if the bike is in neutral?

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« Reply #20 on: May 10, 2015, 05:35:54 PM »

For cb750s do you have to pull in the clutch for it to start even if the bike is in neutral?

Nope, pull the clutch only when it's in gear
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« Reply #21 on: May 10, 2015, 05:37:16 PM »
For cb750s do you have to pull in the clutch for it to start even if the bike is in neutral?

One or the other. Best practice is to ALWAYS do clutch though... for those days when you kick start and you're still in first gear... not that I've ever done that, though..........................................

In my video I put it in neutral the first time I got it going in the parking lot.
« Last Edit: May 10, 2015, 05:39:49 PM by evanphi »
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« Reply #22 on: May 11, 2015, 03:00:23 PM »
Yup. That is sounds about

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« Reply #23 on: May 11, 2015, 03:31:04 PM »

For cb750s do you have to pull in the clutch for it to start even if the bike is in neutral?

Nope, pull the clutch only when it's in gear

That said, a false neutral will wake you up!  ;)
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