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Re: Rickman restoration
« Reply #25 on: May 12, 2015, 06:34:53 AM »
All that sitting from 1975 to present is what caused this
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Re: Rickman restoration
« Reply #26 on: May 12, 2015, 06:39:51 AM »
This project will definitely take some hard work, but I'm looking forwRd to seeing it restored.
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Re: Rickman restoration
« Reply #27 on: May 12, 2015, 04:22:51 PM »
Ok, here is day 2, found that the rust went into the nickel in some places, mostly on the inner frame, did a bit of polishing, will be going over it, again and again till...
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Re: Rickman restoration
« Reply #28 on: May 12, 2015, 04:24:21 PM »
I would get that frame replated, the salty Island air has really had its way with it ... ;)
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Re: Rickman restoration
« Reply #29 on: May 12, 2015, 04:26:28 PM »
Quote from: Retro Rocket on May 12, 2015, 04:24:21 PM
I would get that frame replated, the salty Island air has really had its way with it ... ;)

Hard to do here, would have to send it to the US, and thats a whole other story.
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Re: Rickman restoration
« Reply #30 on: May 12, 2015, 04:28:40 PM »
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Re: Rickman restoration
« Reply #31 on: May 12, 2015, 04:30:37 PM »
Quote from: hagar24 on May 12, 2015, 04:26:28 PM
Quote from: Retro Rocket on May 12, 2015, 04:24:21 PM
I would get that frame replated, the salty Island air has really had its way with it ... ;)

Hard to do here, would have to send it to the US, and thats a whole other story.

I bet it is... Can you get Powder coating there..?  Or you could buy a good industrial two pac epoxy and do it yourself...
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Re: Rickman restoration
« Reply #32 on: May 12, 2015, 04:32:02 PM »
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Re: Rickman restoration
« Reply #33 on: May 12, 2015, 04:34:50 PM »
Quote from: Retro Rocket on May 12, 2015, 04:30:37 PM
Quote from: hagar24 on May 12, 2015, 04:26:28 PM
Quote from: Retro Rocket on May 12, 2015, 04:24:21 PM
I would get that frame replated, the salty Island air has really had its way with it ... ;)

Hard to do here, would have to send it to the US, and thats a whole other story.

I bet it is... Can you get Powder coating there..?  Or you could buy a good industrial two pac epoxy and do it yourself...

Power coating is done here.but how would that fix the problem with the nickel??
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Re: Rickman restoration
« Reply #34 on: May 12, 2015, 04:37:03 PM »
Quote from: hagar24 on May 12, 2015, 04:34:50 PM
Quote from: Retro Rocket on May 12, 2015, 04:30:37 PM
Quote from: hagar24 on May 12, 2015, 04:26:28 PM
Quote from: Retro Rocket on May 12, 2015, 04:24:21 PM
I would get that frame replated, the salty Island air has really had its way with it ... ;)

Hard to do here, would have to send it to the US, and thats a whole other story.

I bet it is... Can you get Powder coating there..?  Or you could buy a good industrial two pac epoxy and do it yourself...

Power coating is done here.but how would that fix the problem with the nickel??

It wouldn't, but it would at least seal the frame and protect it from any more corrosion... I use 2 pac epoxies for work, some of the ones we use on industrial work have corrosion inhibitors in them. I'm just thinking of protecting that beautiful frame... ;)
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Re: Rickman restoration
« Reply #35 on: May 12, 2015, 04:40:07 PM »
I am thinking of how I can restore the total beauty :-\
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Re: Rickman restoration
« Reply #36 on: May 12, 2015, 04:47:38 PM »
To bad you cannot re-plate it there.  I bet it would look fantastic in its former glory.
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Re: Rickman restoration
« Reply #37 on: May 12, 2015, 04:59:10 PM »
I am researching that possibility right now.
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Re: Rickman restoration
« Reply #38 on: May 12, 2015, 05:01:36 PM »
I agree, I would be trying to get it back to its former glory, good luck... ;)
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Re: Rickman restoration
« Reply #39 on: May 12, 2015, 07:30:25 PM »
Brazed frames like Rickman and Seeley require special handling when re-plating, lest the frame be reduced to "a pile of bent tubes". I recall a member had a Seeley re-plated?? I think the thread was here on the project board?
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Re: Rickman restoration
« Reply #40 on: May 12, 2015, 07:45:37 PM »
Quote from: scottly on May 12, 2015, 07:30:25 PM
Brazed frames like Rickman and Seeley require special handling when re-plating, lest the frame be reduced to "a pile of bent tubes". I recall a member had a Seeley re-plated?? I think the thread was here on the project board?

Good to know.  Is brazing as fragile with powdercoating?
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Re: Rickman restoration
« Reply #41 on: May 12, 2015, 08:04:15 PM »
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Quote from: scottly on May 12, 2015, 07:30:25 PM
Brazed frames like Rickman and Seeley require special handling when re-plating, lest the frame be reduced to "a pile of bent tubes". I recall a member had a Seeley re-plated?? I think the thread was here on the project board?

Good to know.  Is brazing as fragile with powdercoating?

As far as I know, No....the temps aren't hot enough to do any damage and there's nothing corrosive in the process...
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Re: Rickman restoration
« Reply #42 on: May 12, 2015, 08:05:39 PM »
Chemically, no, but I would be hesitant to bake my Seeley frame at 400 degrees F. ;)
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Re: Rickman restoration
« Reply #43 on: May 12, 2015, 08:16:15 PM »
Quote from: scottly on May 12, 2015, 08:05:39 PM
Chemically, no, but I would be hesitant to bake my Seeley frame at 400 degrees F. ;)

Why  Scott, thats not hot enough to do anything structural to the steel {its stronger than the steel in stock frames, and they are coated regularly} or brass, curing temps these days cam be anywhere from 150 to 450 F depending on the product.. Brass and steel have been powder coated for a very long time... ;)
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Re: Rickman restoration
« Reply #44 on: May 12, 2015, 08:46:39 PM »
A local guy built a desert race car a few years back. After pre-drilling all the body panels, he had it powder-coated, and nothing lined up. The different lengths of tubing expand different amounts, and after cooling settle into different positions. When done intentionally, the process is called normalizing. Either the weldment is clamped into a rigid jig during the heating, or machined in areas requiring precision afterwards.
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Re: Rickman restoration
« Reply #45 on: May 12, 2015, 09:20:04 PM »
Quote from: scottly on May 12, 2015, 08:46:39 PM
A local guy built a desert race car a few years back. After pre-drilling all the body panels, he had it powder-coated, and nothing lined up. The different lengths of tubing expand different amounts, and after cooling settle into different positions. When done intentionally, the process is called normalizing. Either the weldment is clamped into a rigid jig during the heating, or machined in areas requiring precision afterwards.

Ok guys, so what do you all suggest I do.
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Re: Rickman restoration
« Reply #46 on: May 12, 2015, 09:36:33 PM »
Quote from: scottly on May 12, 2015, 08:46:39 PM
A local guy built a desert race car a few years back. After pre-drilling all the body panels, he had it powder-coated, and nothing lined up. The different lengths of tubing expand different amounts, and after cooling settle into different positions. When done intentionally, the process is called normalizing. Either the weldment is clamped into a rigid jig during the heating, or machined in areas requiring precision afterwards.

Scott, motorcycle frames are powdercoated every day using softer steel than reynolds 531, no damage what so ever, I used to do powdercoating for a living and powdercoated lots of different sized objects right  up to massive power boxes for large buildings, our oven was big enough to drive a truck {tariler tractor} through, the power boxes had a mild steel box steel framework, never had anything twist out of shape. Normalizing involves heating metal to its heat threshold {1500- 1800F}, powdercoating gets no where near these type of temps...
I've heard the story about the desert racer and his car, I even think its been discussed on this forum once before, i'm also sure it was bullsh1t... ;D
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Re: Rickman restoration
« Reply #47 on: May 12, 2015, 09:41:37 PM »
I would treat the rust blooms with a stabilizing product, then paint it. The two-part urethane paints are very tough when cured. Epoxy paints are also very tough.
Mick, I saw the miss-alignment in the race car first hand. The same guy was the source of the stacks now on Bill P's Webers. ;)
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Re: Rickman restoration
« Reply #48 on: May 12, 2015, 09:52:22 PM »
Quote from: scottly on May 12, 2015, 09:41:37 PM
I would treat the rust blooms with a stabilizing product, then paint it. The two-part urethane paints are very tough when cured. Epoxy paints are also very tough.
Mick, I saw the miss-alignment in the race car first hand. The same guy was the source of the stacks now on Bill P's Webers. ;)

Well i just googled and finished looking at a pile of brass welded powdercoated desert racers, one Monster sponsored vehicle with a lime green frame and  also Areal atom who do this to all their road cars in the UK and some motorcycles, seriously Scott, i don't know what your friend did to his car but powdercoating a brass welded frame seems common enough and I fail to see how it warped at such low temps, something was done wrong, even Nascar chassis are powdercoated, I read an article where a lot of them and off road guys use clear powdercoat {or colored}  to coat the chassis so the can check for cracks, they blast off the powder every season, get the chassis x rayed and recoat... Powder these days is way ahead of the old thick stuff i used to use...
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Re: Rickman restoration
« Reply #49 on: May 12, 2015, 09:56:47 PM »
This car was welded, not brazed. In any case, my Seeley will never see an acid tank or oven while I own it. ;) ;)
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