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Re: Logan's Reward - CB500 and CB550 Cafe Projects
« Reply #125 on: July 11, 2015, 08:09:58 pm »
Ron,

If the math works out (even with a mod) please share your findings.  It could make for an interesting donor for a monoshock-based, boxed style swingarm. There are always people looking for a new hybrid upgrade.

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Re: Logan's Reward - CB500 and CB550 Cafe Projects
« Reply #126 on: July 12, 2015, 03:11:22 am »
No doubt.  Unfortunately, it looks like it's going to be almost 2 weeks before I get a chance to get to the bikes due to baseball and family vacation.  But I think I'm definitely going to pick up that swingarm and rear end from the 600.

I have that 500 engine cleaned and sanded and the holes taped up.  I just need to get some more acetone so I can wipe it down one more time and prep it for primer and paint.  I already bench tested that starter and it worked and I put it back into the engine and it turned over fine.  Forks are ready, rims are ready, frame is ready (although I think I'm going to cut some of the extra tabs off before I put the engine in).  Triple tree is painted and I've ordered some All Ballz bearings.  Handle bars are ordered and should arrive this week. 

I think I've decided on the seat pan I'm going to use on the 500 so I need to order it.
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Re: Logan's Reward - CB500 and CB550 Cafe Projects
« Reply #127 on: July 12, 2015, 05:31:32 am »
Have you seen this guys MonoShock cb500? Maybe some inspiration for ya!



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« Reply #128 on: July 12, 2015, 05:46:25 am »
I like that!!! K, Bill
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Re: Logan's Reward - CB500 and CB550 Cafe Projects
« Reply #129 on: July 12, 2015, 09:29:35 am »
That looks like a modified stock swingarm (with a brace and shock mount).  I wonder how well it works -- what he did to determine the correct spring rate.  I like the idea, but not so much a fan of the front end being lowered so much that the gaiters are completely compressed.  And don't get me started about the Firestones!
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Re: Logan's Reward - CB500 and CB550 Cafe Projects
« Reply #130 on: July 12, 2015, 09:32:43 am »
That looks like a modified stock swingarm (with a brace and shock mount).  I wonder how well it works -- what he did to determine the correct spring rate.  I like the idea, but not so much a fan of the front end being lowered so much that the gaiters are completely compressed.  And don't get me started about the Firestones!

Appears the suspension is set up for racing on grass...a "Grass Tracker"!
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Re: Logan's Reward - CB500 and CB550 Cafe Projects
« Reply #131 on: July 12, 2015, 09:59:47 am »

That looks like a modified stock swingarm (with a brace and shock mount).  I wonder how well it works -- what he did to determine the correct spring rate.  I like the idea, but not so much a fan of the front end being lowered so much that the gaiters are completely compressed.  And don't get me started about the Firestones!

He actually sells this monoshock setup as a kit on his website. The front end isn't actually lowered on the gaitors he compressed just the gaitors for looks.  Has allot of cool cafe creations on his website " Kinetic Motorcycles " is his name. Pricey but very nice looking gear.
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Re: Logan's Reward - CB500 and CB550 Cafe Projects
« Reply #132 on: July 12, 2015, 03:18:45 pm »

That looks like a modified stock swingarm (with a brace and shock mount).  I wonder how well it works -- what he did to determine the correct spring rate.  I like the idea, but not so much a fan of the front end being lowered so much that the gaiters are completely compressed.  And don't get me started about the Firestones!

He actually sells this monoshock setup as a kit on his website. The front end isn't actually lowered on the gaitors he compressed just the gaitors for looks.  Has allot of cool cafe creations on his website " Kinetic Motorcycles " is his name. Pricey but very nice looking gear.

The front end sure looks lowered to me.  I can see about 2 inches of fork above the triple tree.
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Re: Logan's Reward - CB500 and CB550 Cafe Projects
« Reply #133 on: July 12, 2015, 03:38:26 pm »

That looks like a modified stock swingarm (with a brace and shock mount).  I wonder how well it works -- what he did to determine the correct spring rate.  I like the idea, but not so much a fan of the front end being lowered so much that the gaiters are completely compressed.  And don't get me started about the Firestones!

He actually sells this monoshock setup as a kit on his website. The front end isn't actually lowered on the gaitors he compressed just the gaitors for looks.  Has allot of cool cafe creations on his website " Kinetic Motorcycles " is his name. Pricey but very nice looking gear.

While that bike may look pretty, it is almost completely useless the way it is there. That front IS lowered, look at the fork tops protruding through the triple clamps, those firestone tires are plain dangerous as an all round street tire and should only be used on trailer queen show ponies, it has no front guard of fork brace. He goes to all the trouble of building an adjustable rear suspension, screws with the bikes geometry at the front by lowering it {for looks} , makes it worse by taking the fork brace off, removes the front guard so you can eat road debris as you enjoy your ride, and finishes off with the worst tires in creation... :o  . That bike is just another rolling contradiction, if thats what you like then great but its definitely nothing special, built for looks and would handle like a pig....
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Re: Logan's Reward - CB500 and CB550 Cafe Projects
« Reply #134 on: July 12, 2015, 04:09:13 pm »
The front may be lowered, I simply meant its not lowered on the Gaitors causing them to look like that. He did that park for looks only.
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Re: Logan's Reward - CB500 and CB550 Cafe Projects
« Reply #135 on: July 12, 2015, 05:51:32 pm »
The front may be lowered, I simply meant its not lowered on the Gaitors causing them to look like that. He did that park for looks only.

Of course it is, it simply has to be, the distance between the fork leg top and the bottom clamp decreases when you slide the forks through, that compresses the gaitors, put the forks back to stock position and they won't look like that at all... Those forks look to be at least 2 inches through the top clamp, thats 2 inches further the gaitors are compressed....
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Re: Logan's Reward - CB500 and CB550 Cafe Projects
« Reply #136 on: July 12, 2015, 06:58:23 pm »

The front may be lowered, I simply meant its not lowered on the Gaitors causing them to look like that. He did that park for looks only.

Of course it is, it simply has to be, the distance between the fork leg top and the bottom clamp decreases when you slide the forks through, that compresses the gaitors, put the forks back to stock position and they won't look like that at all... Those forks look to be at least 2 inches through the top clamp, thats 2 inches further the gaitors are compressed....
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That may be and in not doubting you one bit. The video I watched of him at the " hand built motorcycle show " describing the bike, he talks about them saying he liked the look of them that way. That is all.
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« Reply #137 on: July 13, 2015, 04:48:25 am »

That may be and in not doubting you one bit. The video I watched of him at the " hand built motorcycle show " describing the bike, he talks about them saying he liked the look of them that way. That is all.
He should have just bought shorter gaiters and they would have fit the space better, and still looked compressed without being totally scrunched up. Those gaiters will fail prematurely in that condition.

Gee Ron, I sure hope you don't make a mistake and get all of us lathered up about your choices...
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Re: Logan's Reward - CB500 and CB550 Cafe Projects
« Reply #138 on: July 13, 2015, 03:23:00 pm »
Ron,

Here are a couple of things you might be interested in for Logan's Reward.

http://albany.craigslist.org/mpo/5100741964.html

http://providence.craigslist.org/mpo/5077721437.html

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Re: Logan's Reward - CB500 and CB550 Cafe Projects
« Reply #139 on: July 13, 2015, 10:44:13 pm »
Charlie,

FYI - I think Ron already has his modern front and swingarm sourced.
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Re: Logan's Reward - CB500 and CB550 Cafe Projects
« Reply #140 on: July 14, 2015, 03:54:12 am »
I do.  I have the entire front end from a CBR1000RR in my basement already.  But I do appreciate Charlie being on the lookout for me!



As far as the swingarm, I have spoken with the seller and he's holding it for me until I get back into town at the end of the week.  The photos look good but I want to confirm everything is in good working order.  If it is, then I'm going to pick up that swingarm and rear assembly for the CBR600 RR on Friday.
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Re: Logan's Reward - CB500 and CB550 Cafe Projects
« Reply #141 on: July 14, 2015, 04:11:43 am »
Ron, are you putting twin shock mounts on the swingarm..?  I ask because there are plenty of options as far as swingarms go, also, what size pivot bolt the CBR have..?
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« Reply #142 on: July 14, 2015, 04:14:18 am »
Ron, are you putting twin shock mounts on the swingarm..?  I ask because there are plenty of options as far as swingarms go, also, what size axle does the CBR have..?
F3 rear axle is (I believe) 20mm. It's not so much an issue though, a Retro as he plans to use the swing arm and rear wheel from the F3. (If you're thinking about CB hub fitment on the F3 arm?)
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« Reply #143 on: July 14, 2015, 04:25:06 am »
Ron, are you putting twin shock mounts on the swingarm..?  I ask because there are plenty of options as far as swingarms go, also, what size axle does the CBR have..?
F3 rear axle is (I believe) 20mm. It's not so much an issue though, a Retro as he plans to use the swing arm and rear wheel from the F3. (If you're thinking about CB hub fitment on the F3 arm?)

Actually i meant the pivot bolt, sorry for the confusion...
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« Reply #144 on: July 14, 2015, 04:28:12 am »
Actually i meant the pivot bolt, sorry for the confusion...
Covered that already with him in Reply 110.  ;)

The good news is, Rons got all of us watching him like a hawk, and Bill Benton nearby to untangle any knots Ron happens to weave together  ;D
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« Reply #145 on: July 14, 2015, 04:29:20 am »
Actually i meant the pivot bolt, sorry for the confusion...
Covered that already with him in Reply 110.  ;)

The good news is, Rons got all of us watching him like a hawk, and Bill Benton nearby to untangle any knots Ron happens to weave together  ;D

Cool, is Ron going with twin shocks...? If he is then look at this bike, its a 500/550 racer with a shortened early GSXR750 mono shock arm adapted to twin shock, these arms are a direct bolt in at the pivot, correct width and a relatively simple conversion.... ;)

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« Reply #146 on: July 14, 2015, 04:35:38 am »
Doubtful if he uses that CBR arm. Time will tell- but from a styling perspective, I would stick with the mono if using modern mags front and rear (personally).
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« Reply #147 on: July 14, 2015, 04:40:26 am »
Doubtful if he uses that CBR arm. Time will tell- but from a styling perspective, I would stick with the mono if using modern mags front and rear (personally).

Hmmm, it would be too long for me to use stock, this is what I was touching on earlier.. Look at the link I posted above... ;)  Personally, I would go with 18 inch wheels too, like the 500/550 in the link above...  Anyway, its Ron's bike, I'm sure he'll get it sorted.... ;)
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« Reply #149 on: July 14, 2015, 05:16:00 am »
I reckon so. I think the pivot rod bolt is 14mm on the 550, but I could be wrong. Maybe it's 16mm...
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"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of it's victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C.S. Lewis