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« Reply #225 on: September 07, 2015, 07:55:07 PM »
Widely available aftermarket or stock, Ron. I think I bought one from Dime City not too long ago...
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« Reply #226 on: September 10, 2015, 10:29:17 AM »
Can someone measure their triple tree stem and tell me long it should be?  My triple tree for the 500 came out of my stash-o-parts and I noticed that I have 2 different lengths.  One is 9 1/4 inches and the other is 8 1/2 inches. 

I think the issue I'm having with my stem bearing cap is that I may be using the wrong triple tree.
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« Reply #227 on: September 17, 2015, 01:27:02 PM »
Pictures and an update coming later tonight but I have a question.  Does anyone have an extra outside spoke for the rear wheel (18 inch)?  I have a single, broken outside spoke on the rear wheel of the 500 and would prefer not to have to buy a $60 set to just replace that one spoke. 

I'm more than willing to pay you for the spoke and for shipping.
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Re: Logan's Reward - CB500 and CB550 Cafe Projects
« Reply #228 on: September 17, 2015, 10:49:28 PM »
Does the dealer show it available?  Or, is it a case of screwed up parts where they have same number for inner Nd outer spoke?  Granted, it will cost more....

I was missing spokes on a C70 I picked up years ago and I ordered replacement spokes and replaced them when I changed the tire and tube.

Throwing out another option.


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Re: Logan's Reward - CB500 and CB550 Cafe Projects
« Reply #229 on: September 18, 2015, 03:31:25 AM »
Thanks, David.  I hadn't thought of looking at the dealer sites.

I know I can buy an entire set .  I was just hoping to avoid that for a single spoke.
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Re: Logan's Reward - CB500 and CB550 Cafe Projects
« Reply #230 on: September 18, 2015, 05:37:40 AM »
Ron,

I don't know what length or diameter the spokes are.  The reason I say this is that I have spokes for my 750 (for 18" rear & 19" front) that are old and some new ones as well.  If they would work, I'd be glad to send a couple your way.

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« Reply #231 on: September 18, 2015, 10:18:29 AM »
Charlie,
That would be great.  The rear rim is 18" like yours.  It should be one of the longer 18" ones because it's the one for the outside diameter but if you could send one each of the 18" rear spokes, that would be awesome.

I'll send you a PM with my info.

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Re: Logan's Reward - CB500 and CB550 Cafe Projects
« Reply #232 on: September 18, 2015, 02:45:33 PM »
Charlie,
That would be great.  The rear rim is 18" like yours.  It should be one of the longer 18" ones because it's the one for the outside diameter but if you could send one each of the 18" rear spokes, that would be awesome.

I'll send you a PM with my info.

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Re: Logan's Reward - CB500 and CB550 Cafe Projects
« Reply #233 on: September 18, 2015, 04:30:12 PM »
Ron,

All packaged up and will go to PO in the AM.

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« Reply #234 on: September 18, 2015, 04:47:24 PM »
Thank you Charlie (and Stev-o).  It was a pleasure talking to you, too.

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Re: Logan's Reward - CB500 and CB550 Cafe Projects
« Reply #235 on: September 19, 2015, 05:52:37 PM »
Progress is coming along on the 500, albeit a bit more slowly than I had hoped.  But tomorrow is my birthday so the boys took me out to play golf this morning up in the foothills of the Georgia mountains at a beautiful little mountain course.  So, even though it took time away from working on the bike, I can't complain since we got a chance to spend some good father and sons time.

The tires will have to be replaced.  Once I can replace that broken spoke on the rear wheel this week with the replacement spoke that Charlie was so kind as to send me, I'll take them and have new shoes put on them.  So I haven't bothered to hook up rear brakes or put the spacers in correctly, etc.  This is just for me to be able to start looking at the fabrication of the seat.  You'll also notice that I stripped the tank back down to do some more body work on it and get it looking just right.



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Re: Logan's Reward - CB500 and CB550 Cafe Projects
« Reply #236 on: September 20, 2015, 12:14:17 PM »
Has anyone used one of these AltRider Power Distribution Modules? 

http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/61815/i/altrider-power-distribution-module?SiteId=Criteo_ActivePlus_136plus&WT.mc_ID=11325

For the wiring on this 500, I'm considering one of these since it will be a flip.  I don't want to invest in the mUnit for this one. 
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Re: Logan's Reward - CB500 and CB550 Cafe Projects
« Reply #237 on: September 20, 2015, 01:45:45 PM »
Interesting. It it works out, it could provide a less expensive but modern electronics hub for more budget-minded builds.  (screw that!!)
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Re: Logan's Reward - CB500 and CB550 Cafe Projects
« Reply #238 on: September 20, 2015, 02:25:39 PM »
Ron,

Looks like an interesting alternative.
Wonder if anyone on the forum has used one?
Be nice to get one of the SOHC people to provide a report on it.

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Re: Logan's Reward - CB500 and CB550 Cafe Projects
« Reply #239 on: September 20, 2015, 03:23:26 PM »
Yeah, I had watched a couple of YouTube videos about the PDM 60.  It's a fully programmable system that handles 60 amps and up to 6 circuits and it's also 100% waterproof.

The reason I asked the question here is that they market it as a system to handle auxiliaries on bikes...especially on the newer bikes with the Canbus systems.  But watching the videos, I can't see a reason why it couldn't be configured as an alternative to the mUnit.

Here's a video that shows some of the cool things it can do. 

I think I'm going to call Rowe Electronics tomorrow and see if I can find an engineer to answer my question about whether it would work in this environment or not.
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Re: Logan's Reward - CB500 and CB550 Cafe Projects
« Reply #240 on: September 20, 2015, 04:12:33 PM »
Independent circuits makes it pretty compatible. However, you need to ascertain (I looked around quickly and couldn't find any documentation) whether it has an integrated Turn Signal relay, and depends upon an external solenoid (m-unit does also). Other than that, I see no reason it can't wire right in? I'd be curious for a wire diagram for it. (Didn't watch any videos).
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Re: Logan's Reward - CB500 and CB550 Cafe Projects
« Reply #241 on: September 21, 2015, 05:09:25 AM »
The quality of some of the pages on the 500 & 550 manuals that are shared on the site was pretty spotty, so I purchased an original 1972 Honda CB500 Shop Manual and a 1977 CB550 Shop Manual.  I have scanned the 500 manual into a single PDF document and it is shared publicly on my Google Drive.  I'm going to leave the document up as a shared file indefinitely so help yourself to the download if you wish.

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The 550 document was a bound document so I'm going to take it apart tonight and I'll scan it and upload it tomorrow.
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« Reply #242 on: September 21, 2015, 06:21:43 AM »
I'm curious to hear what you find on the PDM...

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« Reply #243 on: September 21, 2015, 08:19:23 AM »
Something else about the PDM 60-

Since its sending switched 12v constantly from the PDM, its more akin to the stock fuse block than the m-unit, which only transfer 12v through the unit when triggered. With the PDM, you'd essentially wire the bike back to stock, relying on the control switch at the handlebar to transfer the power to the component. A small distinction, but a significant one in terms of a wire harness. The PDM would allow you to splice the stock harness in much easier, where an m-unit would benefit from a new, simplified harness.

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Re: Logan's Reward - CB500 and CB550 Cafe Projects
« Reply #244 on: September 21, 2015, 11:09:51 AM »
Cal,
I think you're close but after talking to the guy from Rowe Electronics a few minutes ago, I think there are subtle differences.

He said he could see no reason why the PDM60 would not function for what I want it to do. 

Essentially, there are 9 wires in the PDM60.  One goes to battery positive, one goes to battery negative and one is a trigger wire.  That wire needs to be connected to any wire that is receiving switched power.  The unit only goes active once it receives a signal on the trigger wire.

There are 6 individual, customizable circuits on the other 6 wires.  Each one of those essentially takes the place of the fuse block as cal said.  Using the dashboard software, you can turn off unused circuits and only turn them on at a later time if you decide to wire something up to that.

In the event of a circuit fault, the LED light on that circuit glows red as long as the fault is occurring and that circuit is shut down.  If the fault was only momentary, the circuit is still shut down but the light glows amber to signal that an event occurred on that circuit.  (In essence, this was your 'blown fuse' alternative).  To reset the circuit, just turn the bike off and back on and it goes back to green and active, assuming the fault isn't there any more.

What it does not give you that the m-unit does is the ability to automatically turn off the turn signals or send non-continuous power (as cal also said).  The PDM60 does have the ability to program each circuit such that it will remain active for up to 3 minutes after the unit is shut down.  Which triggered the thought with me that, "I'll just wire up my turn signals on their own circuit and set them to shut down 10 or 15 seconds after they go active."  But that won't work with the PDM60...because that timer for turning off the circuit occurs after the PDM is shut down, not on an indidividual timer for that circuit.

It would also mean that you will still need your starter solenoid, just as the m-unit also requires.  But the PDM60 also means that you will need a winker relay; whereas, the m-unit provides that capability for you since it can send non-continuous power.

But, to make the long story come to an end, the PDM 60 looks like I could indeed wire up a simplified wiring harness and use it to replace the fuse block.  But it won't provide me with all of the functionality the m-unit provides.
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« Reply #245 on: September 21, 2015, 11:32:06 AM »
I think you and I agree with the minor differences. And they are minor.

To me, $300 for an m-unit is worthwhile for a "custom" build, but not a flip or a restoration. But, the $160 for the PDM seems to offer no substantial improvement over the stock fuse block, with a few minor features.

Programmable delay for power OFF, seems neat, but unnecessary to me. (Just my opinion). It doesn't seem to essentially save the harness, but could be used with a custom harness for module simplicity, but doesn't reduce the components required. Probably easier to integrate into the stock controls/harness routing. But for $160, it seems to offer a 1/4 the features for 1/2 the price. Not a good value in my stingy mind.

But I do think its pretty cool, and would probably be a better fit on CANBUS bikes than our prehistoric machines.
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« Reply #246 on: September 21, 2015, 12:07:55 PM »
Yep, we are in agreement.  I'm definitely getting the m-unit, m-blaze and m-button(s?) for the 550.  For the 500, I'm more thinking about the 'coolness' factor of the power unit because it does allow me to easily add on auxiliary items like a GPS or other system.  And when I pulled out the wiring harnesses, none of the 3 in the parts boxes look like they are complete units.  Rather than try & clean up old harness and wire connections, I'm thinking I want to make my own simplified harness and route it through the PDM60.  And, at least to my way of thinking, it's a selling point when we do go to sell the bike.

I did want to mention that one cool thing about this unit is that they are a small company and they encourage you to reach out to them with questions or ideas.  When I told him what I was thinking of doing with it, he said that I was the first to contact them with the idea of using it for such.  As we talked, he even said that it wouldn't be that difficult for them to provide the ability to do some of the things the m-unit does.  He said they're actually going to most likely branch out into a system that is a competitor to the CANBUS system for modern bikes.  I told him if they did so, why not throw in a few of the features we talked about into the PDM 60 and then they could compete with the other units in that vertical market.  Who knows?  Maybe they'll try it.
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« Reply #247 on: September 21, 2015, 12:12:03 PM »
Well, despite their unit serving 60 Amps, your bike is still limited by the stator, so I'd give "accessories" a really good think-through.
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« Reply #248 on: September 21, 2015, 12:20:24 PM »
I didn't say I was going to add them.  I said they "could be added".  See, I'm working on my sales strategy.  ;D

Actually, the single biggest attractions to me are the cleanliness of the look that I should be able to achieve and the fact that you don't have to worry about what happens if you blow a fuse or fuses and don't have enough spares with you.  From an ROI standpoint, you're right...it would be easier to go with a stock fuse block.  But I think I'm like you in that it's not always about the money.  I kind of want the experience of running the wires to the various components and testing them one at a time (without blowing a crap ton of fuses).

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« Reply #249 on: September 21, 2015, 12:29:11 PM »
Well, theres certainly a significant aspect of it (like the m-unit) that I gravitate to: 6 circuits and fault tolerance. Being able to split gauge lights from the horn, from the tail light, from the headlight, from the ignition, etc is very desirable in my book. It allows a component to short/blow and not disable the whole shebang. Thats cheap insurance in my book, and would be the single compelling reason I would use one. See, we're more alike than not  :D
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