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Head gasket removal, a first timer's experience
« on: May 29, 2015, 02:18:17 PM »
Recently opened up the top end of my CB550F (a hasty move, in hindsight) in hopes of repairing a weeping head gasket and found that the gasket material had become pretty well stuck in a few places.

Although its been covered many times, I couldn't find a consensus among the threads as to the best method, nor any well-documented techniques and results. Aside from taking the head to a machine shop for resurfacing, the prescribed methods involve either scraping (usually with the aid of some gasket solvent) or abrasives such as Scotch-Brite pads/bristle discs or even sandpaper. I elected the scraping/chemicals route having heard enough bad things about abrasives on aluminum heads. For caution's sake, I started with some composite (plastic) scrapers.



Almost everyone who favors the scraping method prescribes some kind of chemical solvent to soften the gasket material. I went with CRC Gasket Remover, which sprays on like foam.





With a little elbow grease, scraping worked rather well for the bulk of the gasket material. After soaking both surfaces for about a half hour in the gasket remover, I would work in a rotation between the two decks; scraping at one while the other soaked. The tips of the plastic scrapers dull quickly but changing the scraping angle or flipping the scraper approximates a fresh edge. The whole process took about two hours.

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What I was left with was the residue of some red gasket sealant in areas, on which the gasket remover and plastic scrapers had no effect.



I also tried spraying with carb cleaner, and then soaking with lacquer thinner overnight, before I realized I would need to switch to a harder scraper. I started using a flat blade scraping tool and then switching to loose replacement blades from a utility knife because the latter were less flimsy and also because I happened to have a lot of them lying around from a broken dispenser. I would hold the blade by hand scraping towards me at somewhere around a 45 degree angle. The precise angle for getting underneath the sealant without nicking into the aluminum is tricky to find at first, so if anyone else has to go this route I would recommend rehearsing on the least critical areas of the head where you're not likely to gouge a passage between cylinders or from a cylinder to the outside, and having sufficient lighting to be confident you're not pulling up any metal as you scrape. I had a few close calls, hopefully nothing that would compromise the seal between the heads, but I'd appreciate an outsider's perspective:




And this is where I'm at now:





I've scraped at an area of this residue for over 15 minutes, and although a little seems to collect at the razor's edge, I don't seem to be having any noticeable effect. I'm all for doing things the hard way if it's the right way, but is there a way to get this residue off short of scrubbing at it with some sort of abrasive?
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Re: Head gasket removal, a first timer's experience
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2015, 02:37:20 PM »
I would be loath to using any harsh abrasives that could wear low spots on the mating surfaces.  Most people use a razor blade similar to you after soaking with solvents.  I also had my head decked by Mike Rieck when he did my port job. 
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Re: Head gasket removal, a first timer's experience
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2015, 03:41:27 PM »
Looks good! If everyone that thought they knew how to replace ahead gasket put at least half as much effort into doing it properly there would be far fewer leaking head gaskets...  8)
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Re: Head gasket removal, a first timer's experience
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2015, 03:52:51 AM »
Looks good! If everyone that thought they knew how to replace ahead gasket put at least half as much effort into doing it properly there would be far fewer leaking head gaskets...  8)
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Removing the old gasket material from the head is one of the most tedious and time-consuming jobs on a rebuild/restoration but if you don't take your time and do it right, you can really mess things up.
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Re: Head gasket removal, a first timer's experience
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2015, 11:09:16 AM »
So, would you say it's good to reassemble as is (based on the last pics)? Theres still that minuscule residue, I just dont want to risk doing more harm than good if I try to scrub it off, and it's not coming off by scraping. I'm going to continue to work at it while waiting for new gaskets to arrive and I will share my progress if any. If I seem overly concerned it's because this is my first time in the internals of any engine; I'm unsure of the level of tolerance I have to work with and I'm trying to err on the side of caution.
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Re: Head gasket removal, a first timer's experience
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2015, 09:10:16 AM »
Can you feel that "residue" when you close you eyes and run your finger across the gasket surface?

Run a straight edge across the head and then see if you can get a feeler gauge under it.  you'll be able to determine if the residue is sitting proud of the surface, or if what you're seeing is material sitting in the low spots of the surface.

Also, what exact brand and type of head gasket are you going to use for reassembly?  Some are more tolerant than others.

FWIW that surface looks pretty good to me.

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Re: Head gasket removal, a first timer's experience
« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2015, 10:56:34 AM »
eventuell you can glass blast it..use fine glass...not sand...i did it vith the valvets inn..så theu got kleanet up at the champer side...and only there...
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Re: Head gasket removal, a first timer's experience
« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2015, 01:22:01 PM »
yeah removing gasket is a bit of a #$%*ty job but you're doing pretty well there. make sure it's all smooth. if your finger nail doesn't get caught on anything you should be good.
i use terpentine to soften the stuff, then a knife or fine chisel to scrape it off.

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Re: Head gasket removal, a first timer's experience
« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2015, 03:12:47 PM »
Make sure your mating surfaces are flat and clean.  If necessary, you can have the surfaces decked.
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Re: Head gasket removal, a first timer's experience
« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2015, 07:03:16 PM »
Cool, I figured I would be alright. Thank you all for the feedback. The residue is so minimal that I can see the grain on the aluminum from the machining process through it, so it's certainly not a question of it bumping up in spots, its just that I'm not down to the shiny, bare aluminum. No warping detected after checking with a straight edge. I'm using a Vesrah kit for the top end, but I've got an OEM Honda head gasket, which I hear is preferred over the former's. I plan on installing both the base and head gaskets dry.
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