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Re: 1972 CB350 For the Daughter
« Reply #450 on: May 10, 2017, 11:12:56 AM »
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The most-popular motorcycles among millennials
By Andrew Newton  Published May 05, 2017  Hagerty
There are many reasons why classic motorcycles are increasingly popular among younger folks, aka Millennials. Aside from the sheer excitement of riding a fast bike—something Hunter S. Thompson called “a bloodcurdling kind of fun”—most motorcycles are pretty easy for the home mechanic to work on.

There’s no tightly packed engine bay that requires you to do contortions or remove other car parts before finally reaching what you actually want to work on. And they take up a fraction of the space needed to store a car, even a small one. There are also a dizzying number of choices, from mopeds to superbikes and enduros to cruisers. Most importantly, vintage bikes tend to be cheap, which is something that younger folks, saddled with student debt and high rent, appreciate.

According to long-time motorcycle rider and writer Paul Duchene, “What you often see among younger people is the Japanese stuff. The Japanese really cracked reliability in the 1970s. You’re also going to see the bikes that people bought, kept, and cared for, rather than the really racy stuff that people took to the track or crashed. And you’re also going to see a lot of 500-, 600- and 750-cc bikes, since anything over one liter represents a hike in insurance premiums.”
Below are the five most popular makes for riders born 1982-2002, as measured by insurance quotes over the last five years. These brands make up 75 percent of the quotes measured, and 78 percent of them are valued under $10,000. Bikes from the 1970s are also particularly popular among millennials; 41 percent of the motorcycles quoted hail from that decade.

Honda
If this was a list of the most popular bikes by model, all five spots would be 1970-74 Hondas. They account for 29 percent of the buyer interest among millennials over the last five years. Between CB350 twins and the ubiquitous CB750 fours, there are oodles of vintage Hondas on the market at any given time. Honda is also credited with finally bringing electric starters and reliability to performance motorcycles, a mostly foreign concept for European bikes at the time. High-production volume, great parts availability, low price, and the fact that you can always count on your Honda starting are the reasons why younger buyers find them so appealing.

Harley-Davidson
Harley-Davidson’s status an American icon has been talked about ad nauseam, but there is no denying Harley’s appeal among all generations. Interestingly enough, while Harleys are twice as likely as Hondas to be quoted overall, they make up only 24 percent of buyer interest among millennials, as opposed to 29 percent for Hondas. According to Duchene, this may be because “Harleys are generally quite expensive for what they are, and people tend to keep them forever or trade them in on new models.”

Yamaha
Yamahas make up 11 percent of buyer interest, and for millennials it’s much the same story as Honda. They’re appealing because they’re generally cheap and reliable, and ample parts are readily available.

Kawasaki
Kawasakis, with 6 percent of buyer interest, are among the wave of reliable and affordable Japanese bikes that came on strong in the 1970s and ’80s. “Just about the best affordable all-purpose bike out there is the Kawasaki KLR 650,” Duchene says.

Triumph
If Harley is an American icon, then Triumph is a British icon, and it accounts for 5 percent of buyer interest. Bonnevilles didn’t change much at all during the 1960s, and Duchene notes, “Lots of them are being restored. People have fixed up so many of them that they’re cheap, and owners tend to just ride them around town on the weekends, which these bikes are quite good for.” Triumphs generally aren’t going to be as reliable as their later Japanese counterparts, but parts availability is good, and they appeal to younger buyers who want not only a usable classic bike but something a bit different and more interesting than the more common Hondas.

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Re: 1972 CB350 For the Daughter
« Reply #451 on: May 10, 2017, 05:03:11 PM »
Did you just call me a millennial?  Damn, I thought we were friends 😉

Decided to just go for it and pull the engine.  Not wanting to scratch the frame I rigged up my chain fall and was able to lift the engine and manipulate it around the frame.  Worked like a champ



Took one of the upper mounts and spun it around so it pointed away from the frame.


I think I may have goobered up the initial assembly.  The parallel line on the cam sprocket is pretty damn close when the crank is at the LF mark and not so much when on the LT mark like it is supposed to be.  Unfortunately, I can't put everything back together because the left rocker box gasket tore when I took it off.  At least I now know what was wrong and can fix it.

Thank you to everybody who provided input and assistance trying to figure this out.


At LT mark.



At LF mark.
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Re: 1972 CB350 For the Daughter
« Reply #452 on: May 10, 2017, 06:19:26 PM »
Not   a chance, you are probably an old fart like me, but probably younger than I...
My nephews & neices are Millennials, as are my son and daughter, my daughter turns 29(1988) this Nov. and my son turned 25 (1991) last month. (3 yrs 7.5 months between them...)  most of Gen Y/Millennials do not view themselves a "Gen ?" Or Millennial...they don't adopt that nomenclature.  Baby Boomers or Gen X will use those terms far more readily.

To really insult you I would call you a hipster...
never would those words cross my lips concerning yourself.

I just thought you would appreciate that you chose a couple desirable bikes for those buying vintage/classic bikes.

Got any gasket material that works in oily locations, cut cut your own if you want to do that and not wait for a replacement.

The Yahoo S90 group had copied/scanned the multiple versions of the gaskets for the motor for identification or to cut your own if you need one or two.  That kind of thing would be handy if you need a gasket and in a hurry.  I may carry a scan of the 550 gaskets so when traveling on the bike I could cut new ones for some of the gaskets you could "roll your own."

So, glad you found the source of the issue...retarded a bit too much could nick a valve possibly if cam design was long duration and lift with overlap...right?

Hope you are doing better, nice motor removal technique.
Imagine you are eager to test it now.

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Re: 1972 CB350 For the Daughter
« Reply #453 on: May 11, 2017, 05:43:08 AM »
Yah I was just messing with you a bit.  I am certainly a few years younger than you, but I am no spring chicken.  You would be correct though if you had called me a hipster, now those would have been fighting words.  I did appreciate the article though.  If I were to ever sell one it would be nice to get back what I have put into them, but that will never happen.

I am going to call my dealer today and hope and pray he has a gasket in stock.  One of the maintenance techs there was working on his 350, but sold it.  I know he had all of the gaskets for it, but I don't think he did anything with them before he sold it.  The only gasket material I have is some cork stuff, but it is pretty thick and certainly would cause fitment issues.

I am not versed enough in the came duration and lift to know if it would nick a valve.  However based on the sound of the engine I don't think it did.  I would think that would be a pretty noticeable sound if the piston and valve were making contact.

I am eager to get it fixed, buttoned up, and back in the bike.  Once that is done I should be able to correctly time the engine and get it on the road.  I just hope I don't run into any more issues.


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Re: 1972 CB350 For the Daughter
« Reply #454 on: May 11, 2017, 04:13:43 PM »
My luck was strong today.  There is a tech at the dealership that had a 350 that he was going to restore, but he sold it for some quick cash.  He had mentioned that he already had a gasket kit for it, but I didn't know if he used it or sold it with the bike.  I called and he still had it and was willing to sell it for $15.  I picked it up after work.

Decided to pull the head to make sure the valves didn't contact the pistons.  All good there.  It took forever,  but I was able to get the camshaft installed and aligned correctly.   I used the Clymer manual for directions because it is one of the rare cases where it is easier to understand.   However, using their method takes two people.  I had my daughter turn the crank while I lifted the cam to keep pressure on the chain.  I will set the valve lash tomorrow and hopefully get the engine back in the bike.
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Re: 1972 CB350 For the Daughter
« Reply #455 on: May 16, 2017, 04:43:35 AM »
Valve lash was set Friday, but evidently I wanted to take the wife and kids to dinner and a movie  ::)  so I couldn't do much else.

Saturday and the engine was re-installed.  Hook up the gas and it dribbles out of the left overflow tube.  A few raps on the carb and it stops.  Thumb the starter and it is slow to turn over.  Check the battery and it is almost dead.  So on the charger it went.  I hope I didn't kill the battery when I was messing with the points.

After the battery charged back up the bike started just fine.  Of course I had to mess with the idle adjustment screws.  It boggles my mind as to why I have to adjust those every time.  The timing is all over the place.  I presume it is because of all the messing around I did with the individual electronic boards.  I could get one side adjusted correctly, but the other side would be off.  Make some adjustments and each side is off.  Make some more adjustments and the original off side is now on, but now the side that was good is now off.   Back and forth like this for a while.  I was getting frustrated and the bike was getting hot so I called it for the day.  Of course there was no working on it Sunday.

There is also a very noticeable tick.  It doesn't sound like the smooth sewing machine it did like the first time I started the bike.  So I am going to revisit setting the CCT and valve lash to make sure something didn't settle in after the bike ran for a bit.  The cam index pin is pointing directly at 12 o'clock when the crank is at the LT mark so I know that is good now.  The engine did rev up to 8000 rpm with no problem, but there was a tiny bit of white smoke coming from the exhaust when I did that.  I definitely have to do a little touch up painting to the engine.  During the removal, installation, and tear down I chipped it in a number of spots.

Monday:  Hopefully it will be a good day and I can finally put the engine work to bed.  I would love to be able to concentrate on finishing everything else.  Managed to get it timed yesterday.  What a pain in the rear that was.  Because I had previously messed with the individual boards it took a while to get them adjusted correctly along with the placement of the main adjustment plate.  The right cylinder is ever so slightly advanced, but I couldn't get it to adjust anymore.  When revved up it is right at the marks showing full advancement.  The bike doesn't get ridden at idle so I don't see an issue with it.

Since that was done I was able to turn my attention to fabbing up the brake reservoir mount, exhaust supports, and I have what I believe is a great and simple plan to keep the kickstand from hitting the exhaust.  All I have to do is make the required bends and bolt it on.  Going to talk to the painter today about fixing the front fender and see if he will weld the mounting tabs on the exhaust.  I haven't heard back from the guy that did the powder coating for me.  I still need to get the rear brake rod from him.  So a text will be going out today to him.  I plan on going to the DMV today to get the plates.  They usually don't have the antique plates there so it will probably be a week before I get them.  I guess it is time to start an actual checklist of what need to be done to complete the bike.

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Re: 1972 CB350 For the Daughter
« Reply #456 on: May 17, 2017, 10:03:58 AM »
Congrats getting it to this point, so close you can taste it.  Do they give you a temporary paper plate until the custom ones arrive. What did your daughter use for personalized plate phrase or just a vintage plate with whatever sequence they were at?

So, all these descriptions and you still haven't done the reveal.  Look forward to seeing how it all comes together in the full shots for the centerfold edition...
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« Reply #457 on: May 17, 2017, 11:23:05 AM »
Yah, just lots of little things.  The front fender is back at the painters and they are also going to weld the support tabs onto the exhaust.  They printed a temporary plate, but it is for a car and I doubt I will need them before I get it on the road.  Antique plates here can't be personalized.

I know I haven't shown any pics of the reveal.  To be honest I don't think it will be as grandiose as I originally thought it would be.  It is still cool, unique, and something NOBODY else has though.  Maybe this weekend if I don't have any more snags.

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« Reply #458 on: May 21, 2017, 06:10:31 AM »
Since I never put up pics of some of the minor stuff I have been doing here you go.

Rotor and wheel caps installed.



Side covers.  I used the original tank emblems and painted the letters to match the powder coat.



And last, but not least the tank.  The design is based on the first time the wings made an appearance.  Since the original inspiration was based on the Greek goddess Nike and since this is my daughters bike I changed the original winged logo to a female.  I wanted it to be a bit sexy, sort of like the old hood ornaments on cars.  I can't thank thrillseeker on Do The Ton for taking what I had envisioned in my head and making something beautiful.

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Re: 1972 CB350 For the Daughter
« Reply #459 on: May 21, 2017, 11:25:11 AM »
I like the Winged Victory and the drilling on the front disc (something unique).
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Re: 1972 CB350 For the Daughter
« Reply #460 on: May 21, 2017, 01:46:50 PM »
That's a very unique color and should look really nice on the frame. Love the logo as well.
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Re: 1972 CB350 For the Daughter
« Reply #461 on: May 21, 2017, 04:23:44 PM »
Very cool Harsh!  That came out nice...very nice.

I don't know what it is today but my arthritis is really talking to me, hands & wrists, shoulders, neck, spine,  knees and especially the right hip.  So, no cycle work today... it doesn't correspond to a front coming through as we had quite a bit of rai today, but it came in yesterday.
Guess I should observe a day of rest every Sunday anyway...

Thanks for sharing some of the details.  I love details.
Tomorrow I can return to getting the Cummins 6BT fuel system bled of air and  get it moving. P7100 injection pump and Cummins lift pump with a rubber piston actuated to move the fuel 15-20 feet from tank to the motor.
Up hill of course...

The Navy Seals expression comes to mind, "The only easy day was yesterday."

That is a sexy logo.  What is your daughter thinking of everything coming together?
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« Reply #462 on: May 22, 2017, 04:16:46 AM »
Thanks everybody.  I love the Winged Victory.  It is simple, classic, and has some sex appeal to it.

My daughter hasn't seen it yet.  She saw the front fender in the garage, but that is it.

Plates came in the mail Saturday, but noticed on the registration they put the color as red when I typed sage.  I guess I will be making a trip to the DMV today.  Still waiting on the rear brake rod and hopefully the front fender and exhaust will be finished early this week so I can get them bolted on.  It is getting close to being completed.  I only have one weekend left before I head out to the mountains so hopefully I don't run into any snags with putting the rest of the bike together and what tuning and adjustments I will certainly have to do will be easy and minor.

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« Reply #463 on: May 22, 2017, 04:03:08 PM »
Amazing work! I love the attention to detail and the color scheme!
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« Reply #464 on: May 22, 2017, 04:42:12 PM »
Beautiful work! Very original too. If my wife walked into the bedroom and saw one of my tanks on the bed...it would not be good to say the least. Lol!

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« Reply #465 on: May 26, 2017, 10:29:23 AM »
My wife doesn't get angry over that sort of stuff.  The tank is nice and clean.  Now if it had been dirty then it would be a different story.

Got the color issue fixed easily on the registration.  The powder coater finally replied to my multiple, texts and phone messages.  He is supposed to coat the brake rod today so I can pick it up tomorrow, but I have heard that story before so I am not holding my breath.  Also talked with my painter yesterday.  Hopefully I will have the front fender and exhaust tomorrow as well.

I was putting it off (for some unknown reason), but I mounted the tank yesterday and ran the fuel lines.  Putting the quick disconnect on is always a major PITA.  Put the side covers and seat on as well.  I really like how everything looks together.  I adjusted the rear shock height, but I still need to drop the forks in the triples a bit.  Right now the bike sits level, but I want the front to be a tiny bit lower than the rear.  Mirrors will be here today so those will get fitted as well.  So once I get the couple of parts I should be down to installing the chain, bleeding the brakes, and going over the bolts to make sure everything is snug.

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« Reply #466 on: May 26, 2017, 02:57:08 PM »
So it was pointed out that I was a bad person for not posting a pic

Dropped the forks in the trees 1/4".  I think I might need to go a bit more, but I will wait until I take a test ride.

So as we sit...minus the brake rod, exhaust, and front fender.


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« Reply #467 on: May 26, 2017, 03:11:08 PM »
Thats a nice looking bike
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« Reply #468 on: May 26, 2017, 03:14:47 PM »
Creamy goodness!
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« Reply #469 on: May 28, 2017, 04:43:52 AM »
Thanks everybody.  It isn't finished yet, but it is close.  In a strange turn of events I picked up the brake rod yesterday.  Got all of that mounted and installed the chain.  Now if I could just get the front fender and exhaust back from the painter I would be set.

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« Reply #470 on: May 28, 2017, 10:01:00 PM »
I dig it.
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« Reply #471 on: May 29, 2017, 02:26:07 PM »
Managed to get everything mounted today.  It did not go super smoothly though.  First I snapped a bolt in the lower triple.  Then when trying to remove it the easy out broke.  So I had to find a new place to mount the horn.  Overall it is pretty much in the same location, just the mounting point changed.  That also meant the support mount for the front brake line had to be changed as well.

Bleeding the brakes took forever.  I was having a very hard time getting fluid to go through the master cylinder.  Once it did the rest was easy.  The first test ride didn't go so well.  The bike fired up easily enough, but I could tell it was only running on one cylinder.  The left side wasn't firing.  I checked for spark and had none.  So off comes the tank to check the wires at the coils.  Sure enough one of them had popped out of its connection block.  Put it back in and secured it so it won't pop out again.  Put the tank back on and fought with the damn crossover tube for a while.  Man I hate that stupid thing.

Off for the test ride.  When I first started out the mid range of the rpm's it was a bit sluggish and it was cutting in and out a bit like it wasn't getting fuel.  Said the hell with it and went on the highway anyway.  Cruising around I could feel the bike surging a tiny bit.  However, that slowly went away after a bit of riding.  When I got off the highway the cutting in and out at mid rpm's was gone as well.  Now when at a stop I have to give it a tiny bit of gas to keep it from stalling which I didn't have to do before.

The clutch needs some adjustment and so do the foot controls.  Both tires felt a bit slippy, but the front was very slippy.  I don't know if it was the mold release, too much air, or a combo of both.  Whatever it is, it certainly does not inspire any confidence.  The front brake isn't as strong as I thought it would be either.  It works well, I just expected a bit better feel and power from the dual piston caliper and master cylinder.  Maybe after some more bedding in time it will start to feel better.

Now comes all of the adjustments and tweaks & peaks to get it running and handling better.  I still need to go back through and re-check the valve lash.  I am almost certain the right exhaust valve is a bit too loose and is making the ticking sound.










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« Reply #472 on: May 29, 2017, 06:57:47 PM »
amazing work.
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« Reply #473 on: May 29, 2017, 07:19:52 PM »
I have been following this build, but keeping my mouth shut, it's time to chime in. Very nice job and it looks like all the hard work has paid off. The burning question........does your daughter like it?

I can only dream of having the time and patience to build like that! Great job!
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« Reply #474 on: May 30, 2017, 03:54:23 AM »
Thanks, and my daughter loves it.