Topic: Road rage leads to violence

[Retro Rocket]

propaganda

Curious word choice, FJ? Is it propaganda if they are facts released by multiple sources (though this article only cites one)? Just because it is a right, I personally don't think everyone should own them, and many (even some dolts in this thread) shouldn't carry them. But it is a repeated fact that Permitted Carriers are far more law abiding than police officers nationally, and the "average" citizen.

It may be anecdotal evidence, but there is a correlation to the spectre of a gun owner being armed and able to defend himself that might dissuade a would-be intruder or street criminal from chancing their fate. Whatever the side of the debate you're on, there is no disputing the clear facts that gun violence is a major problem in this country.

What i don't understand is why all these "law abiding citizens" are so against requiring checks and balances to get a gun license, it sure weeds out the mentally ill, criminals and quite a few others that should never have access to guns..?

[Retro Rocket]

I don't know any that are, Retro? Are you perhaps confusing registration with background checks? Background checks are required, and have been for quite some time. Many states even require a background check from law enforcement for Private-Private sales.

Now, registration opens a whole different can of worms from lots of gun owners. 

I meant both Cal, I don't understand the opposition with registering the firearms either. Whats the argument..?

[Retro Rocket]

PM sent, Retro

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[BobbyR]

Retro, it is a part of our culture, it is also part of our history. There is no argument pro or con that will make a difference.

Americans are different, no better or worse, we are different. There is no end to this circular argument.

[Retro Rocket]

Retro, it is a part of our culture, it is also part of our history. There is no argument pro or con that will make a difference.

Americans are different, no better or worse, we are different. There is no end to this circular argument.

I know Bobby, i'm just curious as to the opposition of the registering of all firearms, it happens in most other western countries and it still means you can own a gun if you want, just helps weed out the bad ones, not perfect but better than nothing...

Cal, the PM didn't show up mate..

[BobbyR]

Retro, it is a part of our culture, it is also part of our history. There is no argument pro or con that will make a difference.

Americans are different, no better or worse, we are different. There is no end to this circular argument.

I know Bobby, i'm just curious as to the opposition of the registering of all firearms, it happens in most other western countries and it still means you can own a gun if you want, just helps weed out the bad ones, not perfect but better than nothing...

Cal, the PM didn't show up mate..

There is the whole registration = confiscation potential. There is an underlying current of distrust of the Gov't, and we were raised with the individual having individual rights.

A lot of stuff here does not make sense from the outside, but we make it work. 50 States with some unique laws and so forth. We do make it work. 

Each State issues it's own License Plate and Driver's licenses according to it's own criteria. All the States agree to cross honor these licenses and plates. It goes on and on.

[bear]

You'd have shot him just for that?

  You anti-gun nuts need to calm the fcuk down.  Don't be hatin' just because your country doesn't have a Second Amendment, get over it! 

The people shouldn't fear their govt, the govt should fear the people...

"Nuts?......calm?.........hatin'?", your the one that thinks he would be justified sticking a pistol in somebody's face for taking a swing at him. Have a good hard look at yourself.

And you don't do yourself any favors quoting bumper stickers to justify a neurotic view of your world.

I'll let this rest with a quote from my old man when I came home winging about the local copper giving me a touch up after finaly catching me street racing around town.

"Don't harp on about your rights, worry about your responsibility's."

It's pretty obvious I live in a different world down here, and for that I'm truly thankful.

[RAFster122s]

Abusive behavior can go unchecked for years and abusers can present one face to others and another to their victims.  It is when they are triggered and out of control they do stupid things.  They may be sorry for them but it doesn't excuse their damage or the consequences they need to face.
Trust is not easy to rebuild and it can be one of the lost things that is never regained. 
Some people are not held responsible and that is a mistake.
Behavior like this guy does happen overnight. It has developed over time. He has gotten away with it apparently. People like this victimize others. Will he recognize what he did and really change or just be sorry he got caught?
He broke his ankle apparently, causing the trip to the hospital.

[SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan]

Background checks can also be bypassed by purchasing at gun shows. 

Note: I've personally witnessed mothers shopping with their teen sons for ultracompact semi-auto handguns (Kel-tec).  These types of guns are designed primarily for concealment.  Should a 16 year-old in a non-conceal-carry state be purchasing such a gun through his mother?  It does make you wonder if that kid gets fed up with bullies, will he start carrying his little Kel-tec pistol in his backpack or (worse) use it.  Is a school kid justified in bringing a firearm to school and using it on another kid, even if he's getting an a$$-kicking?

[martin99]

Is a school kid justified in bringing a firearm to school and using it on another kid, even if he's getting an a$$-kicking?

Now that's an interesting one. Never have, never will own a gun but when I was at school I got bullied so bad for so long that I think I could have quite easily blown that fcuker's head off given half the chance. Even now, over forty years later, if I think back to those times I can find myself fantasising about what I would do to him if ever I met him again. So not justified, no, violence seldom is, but that scenario is more understandable to me than these race shootings we hear so much about.

[70CB750]

Background checks can also be bypassed by purchasing at gun shows. 

Every gun show I have ever seen had a work station for checking backgrounds, there is no way you could walk away from a gun show in VA with a gun without background check.

On the other hand you can sell and buy privately without transfer and people in VA do that; personally I would never buy or sell a gun that way.

[FunJimmy]

The Canadian Federal Government tried to instate a long gun registry in 1993.
The Long Gun Registry became a political football plaguing government for almost two decades and cost over a billion dollars before being abolished in 2012. It was an abismal failure.

Interesting read: http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/gary-mauser-why-the-long-gun-registry-doesnt-work-and-never-did

[70CB750]

Here is an example how deranged person will find the weapon even in very controlled society:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olga_Hepnarov%C3%A1

[BobbyR]

Abusive behavior can go unchecked for years and abusers can present one face to others and another to their victims.  It is when they are triggered and out of control they do stupid things.  They may be sorry for them but it doesn't excuse their damage or the consequences they need to face.
Trust is not easy to rebuild and it can be one of the lost things that is never regained. 
Some people are not held responsible and that is a mistake.
Behavior like this guy does happen overnight. It has developed over time. He has gotten away with it apparently. People like this victimize others. Will he recognize what he did and really change or just be sorry he got caught?
He broke his ankle apparently, causing the trip to the hospital.

This is what I was saying in not so many words. This bully got his ass kicked doing what he had been getting away with since his childhood. He will think twice (maybe) before doing this again. If not, I hope he gets his ass kicked again.

I don't like bullies and I have no interest in their damaged childhood.

This thread is not about Guns, it is about Bullies getting what they deserve.

[socal1200r]

All you American anti-violence nuts are good for comic relief...kumbaya, my lord, kumbaya...whatever dudes...

Corrected you, numbnuts.

Hakuna matata...