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Re: Reign of the V-twins
« Reply #125 on: August 02, 2015, 04:23:38 PM »
And you actually get respect from the cruiser herd when you're on a sport bike? Never any snottiness?
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Re: Reign of the V-twins
« Reply #126 on: August 02, 2015, 05:11:10 PM »
Sure, when my Tiger overheated and I was waiting by the side of the road for it to cool down - I had more guys on cruisers stop and ask me if I needed something than any of my sport bike/dual-sport brethren.

Part of that, or maybe most of that probably comes from guys who have ridden all their life and are used to needing help or offering help.  I've heard many long time riders indicate that they will pull over for a stopped rider no matter what and offer assistance.  I believe they do too.

But I've also never had a cruiser guy wave back to me when I raise my hand.  Waving seems to be going out of style these days - hardly anybody does it anymore.
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Re: Reign of the V-twins
« Reply #127 on: August 02, 2015, 05:34:01 PM »
That's a good thing. Other than two wheels and an addiction to oxygen, people on bikes don't have much in common anymore.
I would think that people in cars used to wave to each other when there weren't many around but the time for it eventually passed.
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Re: Reign of the V-twins
« Reply #128 on: August 02, 2015, 06:41:24 PM »
in some cases you even have a split between big twin/small twin riders,with the big twin riders looking down on the small twins???my weber and ard sohc is so diff in my area that others don't know what to say cause they have never seen one like it !riders of all stripes still wave here.I even have had people tell me how bad my 88 sporty chain drive bike is next to a belt,all I have ever known is chain drive so not a biggie to me.bikes are fun that's all it is for me!bill
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Re: Reign of the V-twins
« Reply #129 on: August 02, 2015, 06:46:42 PM »
I don't agree that we don't have much in common.

Bikes are still the black sheep of the vehicle world and in general we have to look out for each other.  I do stop for bikers on the side of the road, maybe not to the extent an older long time rider might.  I know that if I was stopped because maybe I was needing a fuse or a wrench and didn't have one I'd be incredible grateful for a brother rider to pull over and help me out.   Even those Harley guys with their loud pipes that I'm not particularly fond of.  I might not like loud pipes, but I'm not going to snub them if they need help - that would be just evil and spiteful.

Now guys on Honda 650's on the other hand, well they're on their own.
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Re: Reign of the V-twins
« Reply #130 on: August 02, 2015, 06:49:10 PM »
But I've also never had a cruiser guy wave back to me when I raise my hand.  Waving seems to be going out of style these days - hardly anybody does it anymore.

I just got back from a ride up into Montana.  As usual, most of the bikes out were Harley's.  90% of the Harley riders waved, about the same percentage as others.  I notice fewer wave in town these days, just too many on bikes.  But many still do.  Out on open road, most wave, doesn't matter what they are riding.

And you actually get respect from the cruiser herd when you're on a sport bike? Never any snottiness?

Yes.  Of course there are a few with their nose up in the air, but that is just a characteristic of the general population.  I grew up around Harleys.  I rode a '64 DuoGlide I bought from my dad for a few years before I got the 750.  I don't make assumptions about people based on what they ride.  I don't have a chip on my shoulder.  I compliment people on their bikes, no matter what they are riding.  They will return the favor.  Some of the 1% 'ers won't give you the time of day, but even they aren't in the majority, again just like the general population.  Some people aren't very friendly, but since most are, why let it bother me? 

This reminds me of something that happened a while back.  We were at Boggan's Oasis in SE Washington a couple of years ago taking a break.  I was on the 750 during one of the relays.  My buddy Steve was either on his Pacific Coast or his Wee Strom.  We were talking to a father and son who were riding a KTM and one of those Yamaha shaft-drive DP bikes.  We were having an interesting conversation about the bikes when it sounded like a level 5 thunderstorm was coming in from the north.  It was Harleys, and a lot of them.  The two guys stopped talking, got funny looks on their faces and started putting on their gear.  They got out of Dodge while wave after wave of cycle nasties pulled in.  The bikes ran the gamut from customs like the goofy #$%* that OCC used to put out, to stockers, to rat bikes that made you wonder how they even ran.  The riders were a hodge-podge but in general they looked the part.  They weren't a bunch of lawyers and dentists dressed up like Klingons and pirates.  It was the most interesting thing that had happened all day so Steve and I stuck around and looked at the bikes and talked to the riders.  Several came up to me and talked about the 750.  Do I kid myself and think they are just like me and see things the same way as I do?  Not hardly.  They operate in a different sphere.  But I'll say they were less uptight than the two guys that beat feet out of there like scared bunnies. 

That's a good thing. Other than two wheels and an addiction to oxygen, people on bikes don't have much in common anymore.

Really?  "People on bikes don't have much in common anymore?"  I reject that.  Why is it that it seems more people are inclined to look for the differences these days than what we have in common?  Not just look for differences, but dwell on them and wallow in them, and elevate them to the highest importance?  It suffuses politics and public discourse like a poison.

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Re: Reign of the V-twins
« Reply #131 on: August 02, 2015, 06:53:05 PM »
I don't know. Why do people do that? ;)
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« Reply #132 on: August 02, 2015, 07:37:32 PM »
I don't know. Why do people do that? ;)

A lot of it is because it makes somebody money or gains them influence (which ends up making them money) to keep things stirred up.  Of course on the interwebs it is a source of entertainment for some people. ;)
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Re: Reign of the V-twins
« Reply #133 on: August 02, 2015, 08:06:59 PM »
I think it has more to do with the way online conversations and forums in general tend to remove nuance from discussion.  Everyone sounds like an ideologue because you don't have the opportunity to hear the entire thought process before someone else chimes in.  I find that over time people stop caring about the nuance entirely.
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Re: Reign of the V-twins
« Reply #134 on: August 02, 2015, 09:34:21 PM »
I am enjoying this discussion, and my comments on here were not directed rlto anyone in particular,  rather riders in general.
 We have up a vintage bike group up here for BC ..called BCcclassic motorcycle club.. Open to anyone interested.  What I see on there is constant references to pirates and a bit of snide commentary. On HD riders.. When you call them on it, they try to deflect it, and pass it off as good natured ribbing..
 But What I get out of it is this, we have group rides(missed a lot not being on the road), and they are sometimes to remote towns.
 My problem if I could ride with them is this, I would be reluctant ..given the attitude of a lot of them...
 My line of thought is if we ended up in some remote place, with little lodging, and there are pirates there...i would want to mingle, hang out, party with the pirates..(unless it was made clear I am not welcome)...not with the bunch that is going...Hey we dont want to be around Those guys...
 If I ride by myself I can go pretty much anywhere on my CB750...and fit in...Comfortably..
 So I really don't see the point of trying to travel with folks whose attitudes get inbthe way of fitting in with the folks  you are bound to run into while on the road.
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Re: Reign of the V-twins
« Reply #135 on: August 03, 2015, 09:11:23 AM »
my experience with the vintage clubs,was that they liked to talk about the vintage bikes and have them but if there were events ,rides the members would always come on modern bike while some of us built our bikes to ride,and an indian was ok but vtwins of any kind other than that were junk.I ride by myself most of the time now.bill
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Re: Reign of the V-twins
« Reply #136 on: August 03, 2015, 11:09:33 AM »
Where are these pirates you speak of? I would like to meet them!  :)
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Re: Reign of the V-twins
« Reply #137 on: August 03, 2015, 11:29:41 AM »
There is nothing inherently superior about  the 45 degree air cooled v twin. It's the only layout that a certain company which sells an image has ever successfully engineered (Frank: novas, unsuccessful, v rod, not their design anyway, Aermachi designed and built in Italy, )etc.
If it wasn't for homo sapiens' penchant for apery, the 45 degree air cooled pushrod v twin would only exist in history books.
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« Reply #138 on: August 03, 2015, 11:36:02 AM »
Yeah I get tired of meeting guys for a vintage ride, most showing up with newer rides.. End up being left in their dust.. Riding by myself or with a couple of old bikes..
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« Reply #139 on: August 03, 2015, 11:50:38 AM »
Why would you want to ride with anyone else? Isn't hd pushing the image of the loner; the man's man; the ultra rugged individual?
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Re: Reign of the V-twins
« Reply #140 on: August 03, 2015, 01:23:22 PM »
If it wasn't for homo sapiens' penchant for apery, the 45 degree air cooled pushrod v twin would only exist in history books.
Every weekend warrior thinks he's an angel for a second as he's throwing the leg over.

Consider the possibility there might be more to it than that. Riding my brother's Ultra Classic is a more visceral experience than riding a Gold Wing, to use a couple of bikes that have equivalent missions. Simply put, the Harley is more fun to ride. The Gold Wing is a great transportation device (the definition of engineering) but I find it to be relatively dull. (It has nice power tho.) Big touring bikes aren't my style but if were to ride one across the country, i'd rather do it on the Harley. I don't have a Harley because I don't care for the cruiser riding position nor do I want a bike that you have to talk into going around a curve. But when I ride one I get the appeal. The agricultural nature of them is exactly what makes them fun. The motor retains its character, is part of the experience, not just some generic power unit whirring away anonymously below.
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« Reply #141 on: August 03, 2015, 01:26:25 PM »
I thought apery was having a touring motorcycle that is very much like a car..ie goldwing..
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« Reply #142 on: August 03, 2015, 01:28:42 PM »
You sure as hell don't need a hog to experience that. Try a $1500 GPz900.
Open up your goddamned mind.
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« Reply #143 on: August 03, 2015, 01:29:46 PM »
Look it up Frank.
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« Reply #144 on: August 03, 2015, 01:37:53 PM »
I did. And I took it to mean they think it's okay to have a two wheeler that is car like in many ways..
 Your mind seems made up... But I should mention this.. If you are knocking something you never tried.. You are the voice of inexperience.
 Now you got me thinking..haven't ridden a HD in probably a decade or two... Now I wonder what the touring ones would've like....
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« Reply #145 on: August 03, 2015, 01:43:59 PM »
I'm not trying to tell people how to think, just trying to get them to think. ;D
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« Reply #146 on: August 03, 2015, 01:48:14 PM »
I've never ridden a harley Frank? That's what you're implying?
Definitely no good will come of this exchange.
Preach to the choir; you just lost me.
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« Reply #147 on: August 03, 2015, 01:53:36 PM »
Its the age old battle.......being one who has ridden a Goldwing, Voyager, and an Ultra as they were intended. I would take the HD EVERY time. For long distance there is nothing more comfortable than an Ultra IMO, and the new Rushmore HD's are greatly improved over there previous models in every way.

Don't get me wrong they all have there merits. The Goldwing is the ultimate tech tourer, and the Voyager (the old inline 4) was fast and nimble, and I LOVE my SOHC. I have put over 200K on an HD touring bike and I can ride 500+ miles a day without issues and I could not sit the others for that distance.
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« Reply #148 on: August 03, 2015, 02:33:49 PM »
Canary I don't know what you have ridden..
 My point was some people speak badly about things that they never really experienced..because they don't like them....... 

 What I don't like. About a lot of touring bikes is the vast amount of stuff on them..
I for a time rode a R100 RT.. That could do easy thousand miles days.... Yet the seat looked much like and streetbike seat on a UJM......lot of overkill on touring rigs..but to each their own... The market is there, they just supply it.
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Re: Reign of the V-twins
« Reply #149 on: August 03, 2015, 03:08:54 PM »
Why would you want to ride with anyone else? Isn't hd pushing the image of the loner; the man's man; the ultra rugged individual?
I think there is more to the hds than that,what they did is make them appeal to a wider customer base,ie husband and wife retired and travelling as many do,and people who thought they were only for the rugged individual,I am certainly not the rugged type,but the torque of this old design is what I personally like.some people change their personalitys when they get one but I think they are just another form of bike.bill
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