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Re: Reign of the V-twins
« Reply #75 on: July 20, 2015, 05:34:07 AM »
Woohoo! I'll set my tent up besides my mailbox in anticipation Cal, the temps here are close to freezing overnight, but I'm prepared to risk an icy death to look after your pride and joy! ;D
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« Reply #76 on: July 20, 2015, 12:45:53 PM »
we all like different things, and I'm constantly surprised by the Harley haters out there, most of whom don't know much about them.

It isn't the bike that draws the haters, it's the people on them.  In general I think you're right in that very few people know much about Harley motorcycles, but I think that partly stems from the image that a percentage of the riders project.  An image which repels many people, myself included.  Is it a majority of the riders who adopt the bad-boy image?  Possibly, although the worst offenders are definitely in a minority.  Plenty of people complain about the bikes, but ultimately I think that's just proxy for the riders themselves.  Again - the bad apples spoiling the barrel.

I may be showing my own prejudice, but you won't find do-rags, get back whips, "loud pipes save lives", coal scuttle helmets, etc on Concours or Moto Guzzi riders.  So again, I don't think it's the bike, it's the image - an image which Harley has worked very hard to maintain and encourage.  An image which other manufacturers have tried to embrace for their own line - even Triumph and their Rocket line.

In the very end, Harley certainly isn't unique in creating an image for themselves, but unlike pretty much all the other manufacturers - its the only image they have.  At least Honda can appeal to the sport bike riders, cruisers, baggers, city riders, motorcross riders, etc..

I know this thread has gone on a bit since this post but....  This. I agree with this from my Topeka perspective. I played a biker bar the other day...typical imagery on leather and vests and every bike in the entire lot was a Harley except for a giant three wheeler with a 350 V8 in it. Not one feckin helmet, either.

Sure, there are other riders on the road. Lots of fat old Goldwing riders here, and plenty of young guys trying to be cool on their crotch rockets...

The most annoying by far IMO are the Harley guys. They think they belong to some elite club of bikers that are better than all the rest and that nothing touches a Harley because they're Soooo Cooooool. It's rubbish.

I've just never been a Harley guy. Some cool builds have been done (ahem Roland Sands) and I can appreciate those from an art perspective but...  yeah. Beyond that I don't care. In fact, I really wasn't much of a bike guy at all until Honda CB's came into my life in the form of Cafe bikes.

I'll just take my Honda and my Corvair and go....  lol
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« Reply #77 on: July 20, 2015, 12:54:54 PM »
teehee. I'll be wearing a helmet when I autocross the Corvair in September at Iowa International Raceway.

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« Reply #78 on: July 21, 2015, 01:14:50 AM »

The most annoying by far IMO are the Harley guys. They think they belong to some elite club of bikers that are better than all the rest and that nothing touches a Harley because they're Soooo Cooooool. It's rubbish.

I'll just take my Honda and my Corvair and go....  lol

So is it fair to say that some of the Harley haters out there might be a little miffed because they're not part of this "Exclusive Club"? Cafe Racers and Corvairs eh? What was the title of Raph Nader's book? "Unsafe at any Speed"................ ;D
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« Reply #79 on: July 21, 2015, 04:40:04 PM »
I think his other book was 'Unelectable at any age' :P  But now we're getting into politics - naughty, no cookie for me!
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« Reply #80 on: July 21, 2015, 05:29:18 PM »
No mate, don't mention politics, guns, or God here, unless you wanna face the wrath of Bob Wessner, ha ha! (sorry Bob, I'll be good) ;D

I actually like the old Corvairs, but I can understand what Ralph was on about, they weren't the best car to roll off the production line, here's a clip from Top Gear USA's "Most Dangerous Cars" episode, which highlights some real handling issues........... ;D

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« Reply #81 on: July 21, 2015, 05:43:13 PM »
A high school friend had a 1960 Corvair 4 door.  We used to take it out in the fields while hunting.  Had no problems with it.  Didn't drive like a idiot with it either.

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« Reply #82 on: July 21, 2015, 06:07:37 PM »
No mate, don't mention politics, guns, or God here, unless you wanna face the wrath of Bob Wessner, ha ha! (sorry Bob, I'll be good) ;D

I actually like the old Corvairs, but I can understand what Ralph was on about, they weren't the best car to roll off the production line, here's a clip from Top Gear USA's "Most Dangerous Cars" episode, which highlights some real handling issues........... ;D


If I were to rate a 'most dangerous car' it would be something from the early 60's.  My buddy has an old 60's Chrysler 300 (I believe) in his garage and that beast weighs in at wayyy too much and has 4 drum brakes to boot.
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Re: Reign of the V-twins
« Reply #83 on: July 21, 2015, 07:16:14 PM »
we all like different things, and I'm constantly surprised by the Harley haters out there, most of whom don't know much about them.
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The most annoying by far IMO are the Harley guys. They think they belong to some elite club of bikers that are better than all the rest and that nothing touches a Harley because they're Soooo Cooooool. It's rubbish.

Well I went out in 1994 and bought a shiny new Road King and I can't say I felt any "Cooooooler", but who knows maybe I was and I just didn't notice.

The primary motivation for the purchase was the lovely Evelyn my wife.
We where in the market for a big comply tourer and Ev liked Harleys.
The salesman told us that you could fit a slab of beer and a bag of ice in each pannier so that clinched the deal for me.

We clocked up 175000 trouble free kilometers on the old girl and it's been sitting in the shed with a tarp over it since 2010.

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« Reply #84 on: July 22, 2015, 02:47:04 AM »
we all like different things, and I'm constantly surprised by the Harley haters out there, most of whom don't know much about them.
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The most annoying by far IMO are the Harley guys. They think they belong to some elite club of bikers that are better than all the rest and that nothing touches a Harley because they're Soooo Cooooool. It's rubbish.

Well I went out in 1994 and bought a shiny new Road King and I can't say I felt any "Cooooooler", but who knows maybe I was and I just didn't notice.

The primary motivation for the purchase was the lovely Evelyn my wife.
We where in the market for a big comply tourer and Ev liked Harleys.
The salesman told us that you could fit a slab of beer and a bag of ice in each pannier so that clinched the deal for me.

We clocked up 175000 trouble free kilometers on the old girl and it's been sitting in the shed with a tarp over it since 2010.

Cheers,
Brian

That's a great story Brian, and quite the opposite than what I usually hear about them, from folks who like to find fault with them. I think you should sell me that old Road King mate, you know I'll look after it, I've just gotta be able to tell my wife that it belongs to you and I'm just doing some work on it for you, it worked well with the XR500R that I bought from Ken, so I'll milk it until she gets wise to me, ha ha! Cheers, Terry. ;D
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« Reply #85 on: July 23, 2015, 05:49:00 PM »
Sorry Tez.
I have plans for the old girl.
I picked up a Dusting Sidecar some time back.
The plane is to bolt it up to the Roadking, steal the electronic shifter off the race bike.
Then see if I can talk the powers to be into giving me my license back. :D

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« Reply #86 on: July 23, 2015, 06:02:29 PM »
Sorry Tez.
I have plans for the old girl.
I picked up a Dusting Sidecar some time back.
The plane is to bolt it up to the Roadking, steal the electronic shifter off the race bike.
Then see if I can talk the powers to be into giving me my license back. :D

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« Reply #87 on: July 24, 2015, 03:47:38 AM »
Sorry Tez.
I have plans for the old girl.
I picked up a Dusting Sidecar some time back.
The plane is to bolt it up to the Roadking, steal the electronic shifter off the race bike.
Then see if I can talk the powers to be into giving me my license back. :D

Cheers,
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Sounds like a plan mate, if not a chair, a trike would be good too? But then again, I know how much you like sidecars........... ;D
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« Reply #88 on: July 27, 2015, 07:02:43 AM »
No mate, don't mention politics, guns, or God here, unless you wanna face the wrath of Bob Wessner, ha ha! (sorry Bob, I'll be good) ;D

I actually like the old Corvairs, but I can understand what Ralph was on about, they weren't the best car to roll off the production line, here's a clip from Top Gear USA's "Most Dangerous Cars" episode, which highlights some real handling issues........... ;D



I've raced Both early and late model Corvairs several times. They're either doing on purpose or he's a complete idiot. That is literally one of the dumbest videos I have ever seen with a Corvair in it.
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« Reply #89 on: July 27, 2015, 01:02:14 PM »
No mate, don't mention politics, guns, or God here, unless you wanna face the wrath of Bob Wessner, ha ha! (sorry Bob, I'll be good) ;D

I actually like the old Corvairs, but I can understand what Ralph was on about, they weren't the best car to roll off the production line, here's a clip from Top Gear USA's "Most Dangerous Cars" episode, which highlights some real handling issues........... ;D



I've raced Both early and late model Corvairs several times. They're either doing on purpose or he's a complete idiot. That is literally one of the dumbest videos I have ever seen with a Corvair in it.
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« Reply #90 on: July 27, 2015, 01:08:14 PM »
Just for fun:  Me in my late model a few years back... 
And one of my dad in his early at the same track.
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« Reply #91 on: July 27, 2015, 04:41:00 PM »
No mate, don't mention politics, guns, or God here, unless you wanna face the wrath of Bob Wessner, ha ha! (sorry Bob, I'll be good) ;D

I actually like the old Corvairs, but I can understand what Ralph was on about, they weren't the best car to roll off the production line, here's a clip from Top Gear USA's "Most Dangerous Cars" episode, which highlights some real handling issues........... ;D



I've raced Both early and late model Corvairs several times. They're either doing on purpose or he's a complete idiot. That is literally one of the dumbest videos I have ever seen with a Corvair in it.
+1...Porsche engineers cars to have power on oversteer and create an automotive legend...Chevy trys to do the same and dumb americans that can't drive for #$%* spin out

Ha ha, I've seen everything now, a comparison between a Corvair and a Porsche? Just because the engine's in the same location, it's still a Corvair. A Volkswagen Beetle is about as low tech a rear wheel drive/rear engined car as you can get, but they were never reviled like the Corvair, they actually handled pretty good.   

While 1960's Porsches are worth a fortune and regarded as amongst the best handling cars of their time, Corvairs are still considered the worst car ever to roll off a showroom floor. I know we all tend to look at old cars and bikes with our rose tinted glasses, but Jesus, what a comparison! As I said, I like them, but only for their quirkiness, not their abilities............ ;D
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Re: Reign of the V-twins
« Reply #92 on: July 27, 2015, 07:45:42 PM »
No mate, don't mention politics, guns, or God here, unless you wanna face the wrath of Bob Wessner, ha ha! (sorry Bob, I'll be good) ;D

I actually like the old Corvairs, but I can understand what Ralph was on about, they weren't the best car to roll off the production line, here's a clip from Top Gear USA's "Most Dangerous Cars" episode, which highlights some real handling issues........... ;D



I've raced Both early and late model Corvairs several times. They're either doing on purpose or he's a complete idiot. That is literally one of the dumbest videos I have ever seen with a Corvair in it.
He did it on purpose; he locked up the parking brakes to throw it into a slide. When a rear swing-axle car, such as a pre-65 Corvair, pre-68 VW, or early Porsche (I don't know when they abandoned the swing-axle) "weight-jacks" in a turn, the result is a sudden loss of rear wheel traction, and the car "usually" spins out with no smoke or drama, although bugs were more prone to rolling over on their tops than 'Vairs. The later Corvairs had a rear suspension similar to a Corvette, and the limiting factor for hard cornering was the lack of weight on the front wheels, so lots of guys added ballast into the front "trunk". I knew one guy that used a bare small block Chevy for auto-cross.
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« Reply #93 on: July 28, 2015, 12:05:41 AM »
No mate, don't mention politics, guns, or God here, unless you wanna face the wrath of Bob Wessner, ha ha! (sorry Bob, I'll be good) ;D

I actually like the old Corvairs, but I can understand what Ralph was on about, they weren't the best car to roll off the production line, here's a clip from Top Gear USA's "Most Dangerous Cars" episode, which highlights some real handling issues........... ;D



I've raced Both early and late model Corvairs several times. They're either doing on purpose or he's a complete idiot. That is literally one of the dumbest videos I have ever seen with a Corvair in it.
He did it on purpose; he locked up the parking brakes to throw it into a slide. When a rear swing-axle car, such as a pre-65 Corvair, pre-68 VW, or early Porsche (I don't know when they abandoned the swing-axle) "weight-jacks" in a turn, the result is a sudden loss of rear wheel traction, and the car "usually" spins out with no smoke or drama, although bugs were more prone to rolling over on their tops than 'Vairs. The later Corvairs had a rear suspension similar to a Corvette, and the limiting factor for hard cornering was the lack of weight on the front wheels, so lots of guys added ballast into the front "trunk". I knew one guy that used a bare small block Chevy for auto-cross.
Terry, I would feel safer in a Corvair than on a Road King:
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« Reply #94 on: July 28, 2015, 04:07:06 AM »

Terry, I would feel safer in a Corvair than on a Road King:
 

Well I think most of us would feel "safer" in a car than on a bike Scott, even a Corvair maybe, but we don't ride bikes to feel safe, do we? Cheers, Terry. ;D
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« Reply #95 on: July 28, 2015, 06:37:32 AM »
Taha, The Corvair has been called the Poor man's Porsche for years. A way to have a rear engine sporty car without the cost. That's all.

Corvairs have been racing since they came out...and I would like to make sure I mention that Don Yenko's first "Yenko" car was the Corvair. To this day there are still late models racing in vintage SCCA classes and *winning* against those old Porches, Vettes, etc...

In 1971 The NHTSA did a full safety/crash test of the early model Corvair. Their conclusion?  It was just as safe as anything else on the road and not any more prone to rolling than anything else.

BUT by 1965 The rear suspension had been fully redesigned to have fully independent rear suspension rather than swingarms (so now there were 2 u-joints per axle rather than one on the inner side) and the trailing arms were straight rather than cocked A-arms like the earlies have. The late models are far superior in handling. Unfortunately the Mustang and Camaro were coming out and with Ralph's silly book and the sporty new V-8 cars, no one wanted Corvairs anymore and sales dwindled until they made a mere 6000 of them in 69 and ended production. All said and done they made somewhere near 1.8 million Corvairs.

Most of what people think is wrong with the Corvair is incorrect. Either silly rumors they heard 30-40 years ago or just stuff that has been said since then and people just regurgitate it for fun. I've heard some real doozies and usually just let people sound like idiots at car shows. The reality is they are economical (not a lot of 60's cars getting 20mpg), fun to work on, handle very well with 40/60 weight distribution and definitely fun to race!  :-)  The aftermarket is still strong for them and nearly every part can be found for them! 

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« Reply #96 on: July 28, 2015, 02:45:17 PM »



Most of what people think is wrong with the Corvair is incorrect. Either silly rumors they heard 30-40 years ago or just stuff that has been said since then and people just regurgitate it for fun.

I'd have to agree with that especially when stories get exaggerated , it's kind of like the story my oldest brother told me about how taking a cb750 past 6k rpm will result in a snapped cam chain which will promptly rip the engine block in half. I guess Honda did have cam chain issues with the 750 at first but no where near as bad as he described. Another older brother of mine used to have a 185 hp turbo Corvair (Monza,Corsa don't remember) back in the late 60's early 70's and he says his never had the issues so many talk about, the only issue he had with his was keeping the engine tuned with its primitive turbo setup.
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« Reply #97 on: July 28, 2015, 08:11:06 PM »
Terry, I would feel safer in a Corvair than on a Road King:
http://www.kpho.com/clip/6511831/cbs-5-investigates-harley-motorcycles-known-for-death-wobble   

Well there you go.
I had put that down to a quirky little handling trait. ;D

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« Reply #98 on: July 29, 2015, 04:53:36 AM »
"Most of what people think is wrong with Harley's is incorrect. Either silly rumors they heard 30-40 years ago or just stuff that has been said since then and people just regurgitate it for fun. I've heard some real doozies and usually just let people sound like idiots on bike forums." ;D
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« Reply #99 on: July 29, 2015, 05:00:29 AM »
Taha, The Corvair has been called the Poor man's Porsche for years. A way to have a rear engine sporty car without the cost. That's all.

Fair enough mate, my friend Dobbo has had a Volksy Karman Ghia since the late 1970's, which he bought from the original owner. He's a "ditherer", and after 36 years and at least two paint jobs, he's no closer to having it back on the road then he was 20 years ago.

In that time he bought a Mazda 13B Rotary engine and conversion kit, then a Corvair engine, both of which he installed and ran, but never drove. It's now got it's original engine in it, which is a shame, with the Corvair engine, it would have been a weapon. Cheers, Terry. ;D 
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