Author Topic: This is not good. Pouring out oil. [VIDEO] (Read 6416 times)

NastyNip · « **on:** July 03, 2015, 11:12:07 AM »

Well, dang. Here is a video of what's going on. 1974 CB550:

This started after happening after starting up my bike right after replacing the oil filter and clutch, and adding new oil. This is the opposite side from the clutch cover.

What broke? The last thing I need is another broken part, I'm so discouraged

Deltarider · « **Reply #1 on:** July 03, 2015, 11:20:25 AM »

That looks more like water or gas to me.

NastyNip · « **Reply #2 on:** July 03, 2015, 11:22:40 AM »

These bikes don't hold water, it's just clean brand new 10w40 oil. I know because it's all over my driveway $:-\$

eigenvector · « **Reply #3 on:** July 03, 2015, 11:24:34 AM »

Only thing opposite the clutch would be the seal for the final drive shaft. Simple enough to check - pop the cover and there you be.

BomberMann650 · « **Reply #4 on:** July 03, 2015, 01:28:36 PM »

Quote from: eigenvector on July 03, 2015, 11:24:34 AM

Only thing opposite the clutch would be the seal for the final drive shaft. Simple enough to check - pop the cover and there you be.

+1

NastyNip · « **Reply #5 on:** July 03, 2015, 01:28:51 PM »

Alright, that's kinda what i was thinking. How hard is it to replace? Also, why would changing the oil and replacing the clutch break it?

eigenvector · « **Reply #6 on:** July 03, 2015, 01:38:07 PM »

Oh I'm not saying that's the problem, just telling you what's over there. As for how easy it is to check - simple. I think there are about 8 screw/bolts, not torqued, no gasket. It's just there to keep the dirt and grit out of the driveshaft and cover up the starter motor.

If I had a big oil leak, and it wasn't the oil pan, I'd pop that cover and see what's up.

przjohn · « **Reply #7 on:** July 03, 2015, 02:11:29 PM »

Quote from: eigenvector on July 03, 2015, 01:38:07 PM

Oh I'm not saying that's the problem, just telling you what's over there. As for how easy it is to check - simple. I think there are about 8 screw/bolts, not torqued, no gasket. It's just there to keep the dirt and grit out of the driveshaft and cover up the starter motor.

If I had a big oil leak, and it wasn't the oil pan, I'd pop that cover and see what's up.

Agreed, pretty straight forward to take the cover off and see where it is pissing from. It looks like the countershaft seal from the video.

Tews19 · « **Reply #8 on:** July 03, 2015, 05:50:50 PM »

Did you have the bike running fine prior to the video? Honestly I've never seen oil dump that fast from under the sprocket cover. I would pull immediately. The way it's leaking would make me wonder if you have worse issues other than a seal leaking.

Don R · « **Reply #9 on:** July 05, 2015, 09:45:25 AM »

Wow that looks thin, not sure what I'm seeing but it really drips out fast. Being a plumber I always look above a leak to see if there's a surprise source. Could a float have stuck and filled the crankcase with some gas? Does it smell gassy?

Let us know what you find.

Killer Canary · « **Reply #10 on:** July 05, 2015, 09:57:15 AM »

I can't play the video, but the oil pressure switch might have fallen apart or out.

NastyNip · « **Reply #11 on:** July 05, 2015, 01:19:17 PM »

Quote from: Tews19 on July 03, 2015, 05:50:50 PM

Did you have the bike running fine prior to the video? Honestly I've never seen oil dump that fast from under the sprocket cover. I would pull immediately. The way it's leaking would make me wonder if you have worse issues other than a seal leaking.

Yep the bike was running fantastic right before I did the maintenance (minus a worn clutch).

Note: when I was adjusting the clutch friction point (so after installing the new clutch but before leaking oil) the clutch was "pulsing"/ the friction point would bounce around randomly while the clutch lever was pulled. So while the clutch was pulled it would engage/disengage randomly by itself with no actuation of the lever.

Quote from: Don R on July 05, 2015, 09:45:25 AM

Wow that looks thin, not sure what I'm seeing but it really drips out fast. Being a plumber I always look above a leak to see if there's a surprise source. Could a float have stuck and filled the crankcase with some gas? Does it smell gassy?

Let us know what you find.

100% sure it's oil, it's just brand new from the bottle ~10 minutes earlier. Does not smell gassy. (However, I do have to adjust the floats on the carb because #1 overflows on the kickstand sometimes, but that's a separate known issue though

)

I'm going to go pull the side cover and I'll report back with pictures. ETA 1 hour

strynboen · « **Reply #12 on:** July 05, 2015, 01:24:15 PM »

have you lined the inner and auter clutch parts up..they are marked vith dots..and fits only one vay..and the sidecover can(somtimes) not be placed korrekt if.. it are inn vrong..it can do the leaking..and vibrasions

its pos 3 and 8 vho must be korrekt lined up...it can be mounted vrong in 3 posisions..and then the clutch can not funktion..

klick on Photo to make it bigger

NastyNip · « **Reply #13 on:** July 05, 2015, 01:30:43 PM »

Quote from: strynboen on July 05, 2015, 01:24:15 PM

have you lined the inner and auter clutch parts up..they are marked vith dots..and fits only one vay..and the sidecover can not be placed korrekt if.. it are inn vrong..it can do the leaking..and vibrasions

its pos 3 and 8 vho must be korrekt lined up...it can be mounted vrong in 3 posisions..and then the clutch can not funktion..

klick on Photo to make it bigger

The clutch is functioning fine, so I believe I lined the parts up correctly. I however have not seen the dots and the shop instructions did not mention any sort of alignment when re-assembling the clutch pack. Also, the leaking is from the opposite side of the engine, the shift-lever and sproket side. It is confusing

strynboen · « **Reply #14 on:** July 05, 2015, 01:34:14 PM »

think... then your oil indikator is blown...they can blow the top plastic isolasion off..and then pressured oil are pressed aut.the shaft sealings can normaly not leak so hard..or is it the gear box oil pump??..not a normal leak..and 1974 did they have the gear oil pump??looks like a perfekt oil stream vay from that Sealed hole(gearshaft) ..in front of the spoke

NastyNip · « **Reply #15 on:** July 05, 2015, 02:59:56 PM »

So I removed the sidecover and it's definitely coming from the shifter shaft. I poured half a quart of oil in and it immediately started coming out from the shifter shaft.

Where the oil is coming from:

How hard is it to replace the seal? What could have caused it to break based on replacing the clutch pads and springs?

Scott S · « **Reply #16 on:** July 05, 2015, 04:16:42 PM »

Buy two, as you'll probably damage one trying to install it and they're cheap. Remove the old one and bevel the edge of the case with a pocket knife or something. Just a little....to take off any sharp edges.
I used a piece of PVC that fit over the shift shaft. Use the flat, factory cut end on the seal. Just tap/drive it in. I think they went in dry at the factory, but a thin film of Yamabond or the like wouldn't hurt. Just don't glob it on.

Johnie · « **Reply #17 on:** July 05, 2015, 04:37:19 PM »

Gosh I never saw one leak that bad. Be sure to clean that shaft before you push the new one in place. At least it is a cheap and easy fix.

Scott S · « **Reply #18 on:** July 05, 2015, 04:46:50 PM »

Yes...good point. Make sure there are no burrs on the shaft that could nick or scar the new seal.

strynboen · « **Reply #19 on:** July 06, 2015, 09:13:19 AM »

hov heigh are the oil at the dipstick..?
the older hondaes have a vasher and a Lock at the shaft(in a grove)..to hold the seal in place..but it vas not used on 500/550..so use a bit bond to glue it inn..

lrutt · « **Reply #20 on:** July 07, 2015, 04:46:53 AM »

I always put a little tape over shift shaft splines to protect the new seal plus a little grease. Never had a problem.

carnivorous chicken · « **Reply #21 on:** July 07, 2015, 08:55:33 AM »

Lucked out here -- shifter shaft seal is an easy fix.

I've seen the countershaft seal leak because of switching to a wide o-ring chain. While you've got the cover off, check and make sure nothing is rubbing against it.

NastyNip · « **Reply #22 on:** July 13, 2015, 12:58:29 PM »

So I replaced the seal (used a wooden chopstick to lightly tap it home) and now it's sealed up nice and good! Thanks for all the advice guys, glad it wasn't a big deal

My clutch (or something) is still making weird sounds especially when coming to a stop (sounds like a chain hitting something *tick tick ticckkk tickkkkkkk*, slowing down as it decelerates. Maybe I'll make a new thread to keep the discussion on topic.

Thanks again for the help though!

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flybox1 · « **Reply #23 on:** July 13, 2015, 01:09:44 PM »

chain rubbing on your centerstand?

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