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Offline gschuld

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Re: Aerodynamically better fairings for sohc4 racers?
« Reply #25 on: July 26, 2015, 06:15:39 am »
Rob,

Absolutely.  Triumph/BSA really made a first class effort for 1970 with the triple.

From:   http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/blogs/dick-manns-1970-daytona-200-victory-mann-machine

"Triumph and BSA had joined forces in the mid-’60s, and by '70 the joint venture was desperate to boost sales of its premier triples, which were outsold 4-to-1 by Honda’s CB750 in the American market. The British firm thought a Daytona win would provide the perfect marketing boost, and spared no expense assembling a race effort for the 200. Seven racebikes were prepared, powered by 81-horsepower engines mounted in Rob North-built “highboy” frames wrapped in wind-cheating bodywork developed in a Royal Air Force wind tunnel. The company increased its odds with an all-star rider roster featuring nine-time World Champion Mike Hailwood joined by David Aldana on red-and-white BSAs, plus Don Castro, Gary Nixon and Gene Romero riding blue-and-white Triumphs. A full factory crew, including an aerodynamics specialist and support engineers from Dunlop Tires and Lucas Electrics, completed the effort."

and later on in the article:

"Meanwhile, the BSA/Triumph mechanics had their own worries: Those new, full-coverage fairings didn’t flow enough air to keep the triples cool in the Florida heat, especially on the infield road course."

So although the Triumph/BSA triple fairings were carefully designed and developed for minimum drag in the Royal Air Force wind tunnel, they were not prepared for the combination of high Florida heat with the very high consistent workload the engines would need to endure for 200 miles.

Again, from the article:

"For his part, Mann remains characteristically nonchalant. “That was a normal situation for Daytona,” he says. “It wasn’t a very complicated racetrack. They didn’t have the chicane in the backstretch, so the bikes were basically at maximum RPM for a very long time. Riding skill was important, but it was usually a battle of attrition. Hansen prepared the machine and I rode it as best I could, just like I was contracted to do. That was it.”

In this picture, you can see the ductwork front the oil cooler mounted in the front of the upper fairing to the exhaust exits on the sides of the lower cowling.  This allowed a very good airflow through the cooler.  It appeared to be a more effective solution than the other competitors, including the Honda machines.  The Hondas used the ductwork and the exit in the lower fairing similar to the Triumph/BSA bikes, but the cooler was mounted well aft of the leading area of the upper fairing and wouldn't have allowed as good of a transition of airflow through the ductwork.  Also the Triumph/BSA version benefited from direct, undisturbed high pressure air from the leading edge of the upper fairing, rather than the disturbed air coming in from the underside of the upper fairing.  Honda's oil cooler did work, to be sure, but The BSA/Triumph setup was a more sophisticated and likely more efficient approach.

And yes it is interesting to see the different seat/tail shapes on the bikes for the Daytona like races.  Some were certainly better than others.  Yoshimura's two cb750 based racers had similar tails. 

George

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Re: Aerodynamically better fairings for sohc4 racers?
« Reply #26 on: July 26, 2015, 09:36:40 am »
I remember a real brew-ha-ha years ago over somebody producing those BSA/Triumph fairings without approval from whoever owned the design.
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Re: Aerodynamically better fairings for sohc4 racers?
« Reply #27 on: July 26, 2015, 10:25:10 am »
Interesting...

The upper fairing shape and oil cooler ductwork/routing on that BSA fairing is pretty good stuff.  Not suprised at all to find out that it was the result of proper wind tunnel testing.  The lower fairing still presented a bit of old school thinking with the rather squaring shape.  The ducting for the oil cooler required space in the fairing between the forks and the fairing shell, which in turn required a very wide fairing profile at the forks(the big trade off).  It just basically went slab sided down from there.  I think the BSA fairing was a result of the prioritizing the oil cooler needs, and back designing from there given what the wind tunnel experiments indicated.  It's a shame that the side profile, especially the upper section, has such a smart purposeful look about it, but the front profile seems anything but.

It stands as a good example of 1970 vintage forward thinking wind tunnel tested aero though.

Overall, it's too ugly IMHO to reproduce, but a great reference.

George

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Re: Aerodynamically better fairings for sohc4 racers?
« Reply #28 on: July 26, 2015, 12:10:23 pm »
Lots of interesting discussion................

http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=9341.0;attach=34389;image

www.landracing.com has VERY extensive discussion and multiple videos of aero and wind-tunnel examples.  The photo is from a BSA B50 that uses a very slippery fairing with minimal flow-through to the motor...........so the owner added an intake duct to the 'wrapped' motor with a vent to the side of fairing.  It works 8) 8)
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Re: Aerodynamically better fairings for sohc4 racers?
« Reply #29 on: July 26, 2015, 01:11:25 pm »
The coolers those triples used were very wide.

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Re: Aerodynamically better fairings for sohc4 racers?
« Reply #30 on: July 26, 2015, 03:17:15 pm »
The coolers those triples used were very wide.

Yes definitely.  I believe the oil coolers used on the BSAs were both wide yet very short in height for several reasons.  I believe the main one was the decision made to give room in the fairing between the front forks and fairing skin to allow an exhaust ductwork for the oil cooler.  Since the ductwork spacing was rather wide (about 12" wide center to center) the necessary splitter and molded ductwork (directly behind the oil cooler) was likely more efficient if the oil cooler was wide in shape inside the upper fairing.  So at least the air coming from the outer edges of the oil cooler get a fairly straight shot into the oil cooler exhaust ductwork.  And since the oil cooler fin area requirement is rather small overall considering it is being fed by the very high pressure air coming from the specially designed front end of the upper fairing, they chose a very short and wide oil cooler, say 10" wide and little more than 1 1/4" tall.

It was a unique solution to the problem they faced.  They seemed to chose to favor minimal airflow into the body of the bike over everything else.  Very efficient oil cooler ductwork allowed a minimal cooler area and minimal air inflow to do the job.  They also severely restricted the opening area into the engine bay.  It seems that they went a bit overboard with it as I believe all three BSAs entered in the 1970 Daytona 200, though they were the fastest qualifiers by a good measure, they all died on the race track with center cylinder overheating.

They spend a bunch of time in the wind tunnel tweaking their fairings, and proved they were measurably faster as a result. 

Anyway, interesting stuff.

Just noticed that Airtech supplies a copy of the BSA Letterbox fairing.  Some good food for thought photos below:

http://www.airtech-streamlining.com/triumph/triumphbsa.htm

George
 
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Re: Aerodynamically better fairings for sohc4 racers?
« Reply #31 on: July 27, 2015, 12:07:51 am »
To reply to the speed range query, the scope for the 350 & 500 bikes is 100-130 for the 350 & 110-145 for the 500. So I guess the common speed range is 105-137.5 for the pair.

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Re: Aerodynamically better fairings for sohc4 racers?
« Reply #32 on: August 05, 2015, 10:29:29 am »
Rob,

    I have been enjoying the differences in the seats while researching.  I like the Japauto seats, and I'm sure that you recognize the red one.  Are they as comfortable and supportive (relatively speaking) on the track as they look?  Not the sexiest seats around, I'll call them the "function over form" type design.

That early 70s vintage #53 Honda racer is very interesting.  It's the first that I recall that really tried to seal off the heat airflow and direct it aft in a controlled way.  Not sure how effective it was, but very interesting regardless.  It probably had the added bonus of deflecting much of the valvetrain, carb intake, and general engine noises downward making the ride likely much quieter than without that tank to fairing section.  Anyone have any other photos of this machine. Rob, you posted this one years ago right?  I'd really like to know if this is a truly vintage fairing(and what year if so) or something added to an early bike later on.  Do you know Rob?

And it looks like someone shoehorned a BSA letterbox style fairing on a cb750 at some point(blue an gold machine)

George
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