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Re: MessnerMoto - CB750 f2 Caferacer build - 3d Printed fender
« Reply #75 on: August 27, 2015, 04:38:41 PM »
No expense spared! Very clean minimalist, look. Almost just floating ontop of the wheel. Nicely done mirko

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« Reply #76 on: August 27, 2015, 05:01:18 PM »
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Re: MessnerMoto - CB750 f2 Caferacer build - 3d Printed fender
« Reply #77 on: August 27, 2015, 05:04:47 PM »
What about the section that sits on the axle...?  I wouldn't want to have plastic spacers in my front wheel, it wouldn't last long and be extremely dangerous....







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Re: MessnerMoto - CB750 f2 Caferacer build - 3d Printed fender
« Reply #78 on: August 27, 2015, 05:18:52 PM »
14 hours at typical 3D printer time would make that a very expensive bumper.  Do you intend to use it as a fender or for  mold to fabricate a fiberglass version?
Given that,  I expect you intend to use it as is, therefore,  be certain that you factor the retail price of a printed fender when you insure the bike.

Im sue you meant to say "carbon fibre", David.
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Re: MessnerMoto - CB750 f2 Caferacer build - 3d Printed fender
« Reply #79 on: August 27, 2015, 06:51:06 PM »
Right Jimmy,  thanks!  Fiberglass would be pretty thick to be strong enough.
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Re: MessnerMoto - CB750 f2 Caferacer build - 3d Printed fender
« Reply #80 on: August 27, 2015, 06:59:49 PM »
It was designed to ride on the axle spacers if I am seeing it correctly. Or, the axle itself.  It is not sandwiched between the axle and moving parts or between a bearing and spacer. Plastic, ABS especially isn't always a vibration resistant or resilient plastic.

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Re: MessnerMoto - CB750 f2 Caferacer build - 3d Printed fender
« Reply #81 on: August 27, 2015, 07:44:13 PM »
For my 750 project, I have an aluminum front fender that my buddy is fabricating round bar mounts to bolt onto the modern fork mount points.  I like the idea of a more elegant solution to use on my 550/650 project.
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Re: MessnerMoto - CB750 f2 Caferacer build - 3d Printed fender
« Reply #82 on: August 27, 2015, 11:49:48 PM »
14 hours at typical 3D printer time would make that a very expensive bumper.  Do you intend to use it as a fender or for  mold to fabricate a fiberglass version?
Given that,  I expect you intend to use it as is, therefore,  be certain that you factor the retail price of a printed fender when you insure the bike.

Actually it is not that expensive if I order 5-10. I asked one guy, how is doing plastic molds/things, he sad that fender is to complicated to be made from one peace mold... But he sad it can be done but it would demand a lot of hours=money ;).

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What about the section that sits on the axle...?  I wouldn't want to have plastic spacers in my front wheel, it wouldn't last long and be extremely dangerous....

It was designed to ride on the axle spacers if I am seeing it correctly. Or, the axle itself.  It is not sandwiched between the axle and moving parts or between a bearing and spacer. Plastic, ABS especially isn't always a vibration resistant or resilient plastic.

Fender is sits on axle spacer. So no worry there ;)

Original fender for GSXR is made from ABS plastic. But it is one peace mold. Weakest things in ABS 3d printed plastic are layers. When you take a closer look at my fender you can see layers of plastic. It will brake on those layers.  Thats why I increased thickness everywhere and added metal support tubes. Top of the fender is 3.5mm thick. I tried to brake it at top and I could not.

I was thinking of adding one layer of carbon on the inside of the fender, just to be sure. Or better, print fender with lower thickness and add that carbon layer....

But major concern is distance from brake rotors. Fender can't move to much. If you look closer, where fender is touching(not actually touching) the forks, you can see that forks are behaving like guides for up/down fender movement. That restricts fender movement.
But rotors can get hot and this plastic is not that resistant on heat. So I am planing to add some kind of thin heat resistant layer on spots closest to rotors. 

For my 750 project, I have an aluminum front fender that my buddy is fabricating round bar mounts to bolt onto the modern fork mount points.  I like the idea of a more elegant solution to use on my 550/650 project.

Maybe you can be my best subject :). Fender is modeled for 18" tire of your size...  I have also modeled it for 17" but will not be using it....

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Re: MessnerMoto - CB750 f2 Caferacer build - 3d Printed fender
« Reply #83 on: August 30, 2015, 05:43:06 AM »
I did some testing on the fender. I am getting confident that it will work :)

Today carbon fiber tubes arrived, they are going in to side holes on fender.

U can see carbon tubes sticking from holes....


This carbon tubes are 3.5mm D and they are really strong... really... look in video

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But I think this reinforcement is not necessary. So next time maybe I will remove it....

So the test... I've put on spacers and bearings, so all distances are right.



And than I took wooden humor and started punching several hundred dollars 3d Print :D
This is without reinforcement tubes etc...


The only thing left is to find good heat insulating and reflective tape. I will tape it in area near brake rotor.

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Re: MessnerMoto - CB750 f2 Caferacer build - 3d Printed fender
« Reply #84 on: August 30, 2015, 06:45:40 AM »
Before you tape it, have you thought about using a ceramic paint? This would reflect the heat away from the fender without adding any bulk or material.

Ceramic paint? I will google it immediately. :)

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Re: MessnerMoto - CB750 f2 Caferacer build - 3d Printed fender
« Reply #85 on: September 03, 2015, 08:10:22 AM »
Tires arrived today. Front tire is Bridgestone Battlax BT-020 120/70ZR18, back tire is Battlax bt-54 170/60ZR18. They have similar pattern. I choose them because they are the most similar looking tires with width 120 and 170... And I think this are the widest tires I can put on cb750 without compromising caferacer look...





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Re: MessnerMoto - CB750 f2 Caferacer build - 3d Printed fender
« Reply #86 on: September 03, 2015, 08:32:31 AM »
That is a beefy rear 18.
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Re: MessnerMoto - CB750 f2 Caferacer build - 3d Printed fender
« Reply #87 on: September 03, 2015, 08:43:03 AM »
Yes it is fat but somehow is looks thiner then 160 zr17

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Re: MessnerMoto - CB750 f2 Caferacer build - 3d Printed fender
« Reply #88 on: September 03, 2015, 10:12:53 AM »
I think that's probably also a function of the profile of the tire, since modern 17" sport tires are in the 50-60 profile range.  I picked out some skinnier profiles 110/80 - 18 (F) and 150/65 - 18 (R) on my 550/650 project.  Yours is going to lay out some beastly rubber on that rear.
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Re: MessnerMoto - CB750 f2 Caferacer build - 3d Printed fender
« Reply #89 on: September 05, 2015, 09:50:20 AM »
Today swingarm arrived. It is a 1981 dohc swingarm, long and round... like it needs to be :)



One question for people who already had done this conversion. Swingarm is 248mm(9 3/4in) in width at the pivot bolt(including oil seals). If I understand correctly i need to cut 12mm~1/2in off from right side(oil tank side) of swingarm?


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« Reply #90 on: September 06, 2015, 12:47:45 PM »
Today swingarm arrived. It is a 1981 dohc swingarm, long and round... like it needs to be :)



One question for people who already had done this conversion. Swingarm is 248mm(9 3/4in) in width at the pivot bolt(including oil seals). If I understand correctly i need to cut 12mm~1/2in off from right side(oil tank side) of swingarm?



 I measured it... Right side at the pivot bolt needs to be shortened by 12mm(exactly 11.8mm)

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Re: MessnerMoto - CB750 f2 Caferacer build - 3d Printed fender
« Reply #91 on: September 12, 2015, 10:23:07 AM »
Swingarm will be modified for mono shop setup. I want to keep that round tube look. I made wooden tool to simplify and speed up the process of assembly....













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Re: MessnerMoto - CB750 f2 Caferacer build - 3d Printed fender
« Reply #92 on: September 12, 2015, 10:32:20 AM »
Damn - the wonders of modern technology!!  ;D
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Re: MessnerMoto - CB750 f2 Caferacer build - 3d Printed fender
« Reply #93 on: September 12, 2015, 10:37:26 AM »
Yep. It takes me half of a day to make something like that. End the other thing is that I don't trust the guy who is going to weld tubes ;) It needs to be in 1mm :)

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Re: MessnerMoto - CB750 f2 Caferacer build - 3d Printed fender
« Reply #94 on: September 13, 2015, 03:02:25 PM »
MM,
Beautiful work all around - I love watching your expertise and attention to detail as your vision comes to fruition.

If you don't mind sharing your ideas (for instance the swingarm modded for a mono), you could rent out your wooden forms.  They disassemble and pack flat, so you could ship it easily.  Someone could pay you $?? to use it, then return it when done.  You wouldn't have to do any extra fabbing for all the guys drooling over your parts.  Just a thought... 

I don't have a 750, otherwise I would be begging for you to make 2 of everything.  :D

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Re: MessnerMoto - CB750 f2 Caferacer build - 3d Printed fender
« Reply #95 on: September 13, 2015, 04:18:55 PM »
Hard part is getting the tubes bent as well as where they end up.
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« Reply #96 on: September 14, 2015, 05:54:46 AM »
MM,
Beautiful work all around - I love watching your expertise and attention to detail as your vision comes to fruition.

If you don't mind sharing your ideas (for instance the swingarm modded for a mono), you could rent out your wooden forms.  They disassemble and pack flat, so you could ship it easily.  Someone could pay you $?? to use it, then return it when done.  You wouldn't have to do any extra fabbing for all the guys drooling over your parts.  Just a thought... 

I don't have a 750, otherwise I would be begging for you to make 2 of everything.  :D

Peace,
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I can give out drawings for swingarm wood form. It is cheeper then shipping including laser cutting.

Hard part is getting the tunes bent as well as where they end up.
If someone needs it PM me.

I have all the bents of tubes in 2D. I will try to find CNC bending... But it can be done with tries and error without that. I have 6m od tubing :) Tube is 35mm diameter wall 2mm, probably I could have gone with 1.5mm wall.... Rounded ends will be filed on lathe...

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« Reply #97 on: September 17, 2015, 12:54:18 PM »
Today I made endings for tubes on swingarm. I made duplicates just in case. Picture quality is bad because I forgot my phone....




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Re: MessnerMoto - CB750 f2 Caferacer build - 3d Printed fender
« Reply #98 on: September 17, 2015, 02:34:18 PM »
Are you using regular mild steel for the axle plate/brackets?
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"There are some things nobody needs in this world, and a bright-red, hunch-back, warp-speed 900cc cafe racer is one of them — but I want one anyway, and on some days I actually believe I need one.... Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba." Hunter S. Thompson, Song of the Sausage Creature, Cycle World, March 1995.  (http://www.latexnet.org/~csmith/sausage.html and https://magazine.cycleworld.com/article/1995/3/1/song-of-the-sausage-creature)

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2005 RVT1000RR RC51-SP2 "El Diablo" - Sold
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Re: MessnerMoto - CB750 f2 Caferacer build - 3d Printed fender
« Reply #99 on: September 17, 2015, 02:56:02 PM »
It should be regular steel because swingarm is mild steel also... But because I didn't want to wait for material to come I used 4732(42CrMo4). It will be welded to mild steel tubing... no advantage there in using 4732. If I wanted to make swingarm from scratch I would use 4130 tubing with addition of 4321 for brackets...