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large CB750 gas tank option on early CB750's ??
« on: July 21, 2015, 10:38:39 PM »
My cb750 -- one of them, anyway -- has a gas tank *exactly* the same shape as the stock tank but it's wider.

I remember reading about Honda offering a large gas tank on the early CB750 as an option.  I've searched and cannot find it, so I may not have read about it on sohc4.net.

Anyone know about this?  I'm not sure how much more gas it holds, but it's probably a lot, the tank is wider -- noticeably wider -- than the stock tank.  And it has the standard CB750 petcock, gas cap, frame mount points up front and also including the tongue at the bottom rear of the tank that fits into the rubber holder.

I can't find it in the forum but I *know* I read about this big CB750 gas tank as being an option.

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Re: large CB750 gas tank option on early CB750's ??
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2015, 02:26:02 AM »
Honda NEVER offered such an option. It would have to be an aftermarket solution.

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Re: large CB750 gas tank option on early CB750's ??
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2015, 03:08:29 AM »
Perhaps you are thinking of the 19 liter gas tank that came with the CB750 sandcast?

In any case I used the later model tank (K8) and put it on a `74 CB750. Seat has to be modified to get it to fit but everything else lines up.




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Re: large CB750 gas tank option on early CB750's ??
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2015, 03:22:13 AM »
Andy beat me to it, although for some reason I thought the early sandcast tanks were 1 litre smaller, but regardless, the tanks looked identical from everywhere but the bottom, so I doubt if that is the tank you have. I wonder if some clever aftermarket manufacturer built a larger tank for a CB750 like they did for BMW's back in the 1970's?

I know some guys installed smaller CB450 tanks on CB750's, but after from some of the racing tanks of the era, I don't remember seeing a larger tank that looked like OEM? Can you post a pic mate? Cheers, Terry. ;D
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Re: large CB750 gas tank option on early CB750's ??
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2015, 04:05:55 AM »
The K7/K8 tank holds 19.5 liter and was probably the largest--you know when you try to install clip-on bars. :)
There were several companies that made 24 liter aluminum tanks for the earlier CB750s. But they are hard to find and cost a fortune if in decent condition.

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Re: large CB750 gas tank option on early CB750's ??
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2015, 08:00:38 AM »
Maybe that's what this is.   The profile/shape is identical; the frame mounts are the same; the petcock is where it should be. 

Either a metals guy did a brilliant one-off copy because he rode long distances or it's an aftermarket.
It's such a close match I didn't notice, until I had the bike sitting next to another of my cb750s and I realized it was a lot wider.


I'll shoot some photos here shortly and post them up.


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« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2015, 08:28:46 AM »
Interested to see this... sounds interesting!
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Re: large CB750 gas tank option on early CB750's ??
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2015, 08:43:36 AM »
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And it has the standard CB750 petcock, gas cap, frame mount points up front and also including the tongue at the bottom rear of the tank that fits into the rubber holder.

But the difference is obvious. While all the other K models had a fuel cap, the K7 tank has a lid.

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« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2015, 12:13:28 PM »
I remember now where I first encountered this claim that Honda had offered a large gas tank. It was an Ebay sale.  That tank got bid up so high I was thinking WTF.   

So here are the photos.  The black tank that's missing the bottom edge trim strip and has silver spray paint on the top left of the tank is the big one. 

BIG TANK in PHOTOS BELOW: silver spray paint in some areas on top, while the underside is in better-looking shape, and is turquoise in color

REGULAR SIZE TANK in PHOTOS:  Black, but looks brown/rusty on the underside; and it has a silver trim strip on the bottom edge, and a stripe decal on the sides.


It's not aluminum -- it has rust on it (see the photos).

This is a Honda factory tank.  It's 100% identical in every way to the stock tank except it's fatter.

I measured across the bottom of the standard tank at a point "A" on the middle of the underside -- 12".

I then measured across the same point "A" on the big tank -- 13 1/2".

Look at the details -- I took photos of both tanks in the same spots around the tank -- they're identical.  If a fabricator/accessory parts maker was going to make a tank, he would NOT have the curves, dips and undulations in the exact same way -- on the UNDERNEATH side, where no one would ever see to compare and raise an objection about it 'not looking like a real cb750 tank' -- the big one has the same stamping details underneath as a normal-sized Honda factory cb750 tank.   

The fact that the big tank has the exact same layout of dips, undulations, curves means it was stamped from an identical design, just enlarged a bit.

I'll try to find if I saved a copy of that Ebay sale from a few years back of that big tank.  The listing said it was a Honda option.  Then the bidders bid the piece of crap up to an insane amount. 

Here's a photo comparison of one of the normal-sized CB750 tanks (black with an intact bottom-edge chrome trim piece)  and the big tank (has a blotch of silver spray paint on top, and it doesn't have a chrome trim strip along the bottom edge).

The rear tank mount tabs are identical -- the rubber piece exactly fits both tanks.




This is not an aluminum tank -- rust spots here and there.


Underside, rear, of both tanks -- the turquoise one is the fat tank (no bottom edge chrome trim strip).  Notice the crisscross pattern, identical.


Underside rear of the normal-size tank


THE FATTIE IS ON THE RIGHT HERE (big blotch of silver spray paint)


Measured the width at a point "A", the front end of the underside, on both tanks -- first here is the *normal* size tank -- it measured  12 1/2 inches across.


And the same measurement at point "A" on the fat boy is 14" wide. 



Next, I measured the width at a point "B", the back end of the underneath of both tanks -- here is the *normal* size tank -- it measured  12 inches across.


The big tank, measured at the same point "B", is  13 1/2 inches wide:




Front frame mount points are identical (again, the blue-green tank is the fat boy)


Normal size tank's front frame mount:


Study the undulations, curves, details of the big tank (in turquoise) and the normal size CB750 tank (brown one) -- note also the metal clips that are spot-welded on the bottom at the edges, to clasp that bottom-edge chrome strip -- they're identical on the two tanks


Normal size tank




There you have it.  I'm still searching to see if I saved that Ebay listing page of that curiously bid-up overpriced Cb750 tank.  At that time I was buying a lot of CB750s and parts on Ebay.  I saw a listing with a photo of a beat-up cb750 tank and though "nah, it's trashed" -- it looked awful.  But the bidding was raising the price in a real shocking way.  So I had to read the actual listing to figure out what was going on, and that's when I read the seller claiming Honda had a 'big tank' option in the early days of the CB750.
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Re: large CB750 gas tank option on early CB750's ??
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2015, 01:12:20 PM »
Ok, so this is the second time in a few days where we have been treated to the "Flip Flop Shot" Guys, is it too much to ask to have your Wife, Girlfriend, or maybe that cute Summer Intern from the office take those shots?  ;D
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Re: large CB750 gas tank option on early CB750's ??
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2015, 01:43:47 PM »
Try taking a measurement from of each from the top edge of the filler lid, across the top and  down to the Honda logo badge, or from badge to badge across the top to see if that section is wider. I have heard of people having problems using compressed air trying to remove a dent and having the tank "open up" at the bottom. Actually comparing how much water for instance each one holds would be a good comparison also.
   The very early Sandcast (no dimple nine-teener tanks) held a little more before they were redesigned in a couple of different stages to give the carbs tops more room.
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Re: large CB750 gas tank option on early CB750's ??
« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2015, 02:10:24 PM »
Ok, so this is the second time in a few days where we have been treated to the "Flip Flop Shot" Guys, is it too much to ask to have your Wife, Girlfriend, or maybe that cute Summer Intern from the office take those shots?  ;D

Grew up in Hawaii dude!  Shaka Brah!  Rubba Slippah, haoles and mokes alike, always wear the rubba slippah.  The custom is to remove shoes when entering the home on the islands.  Would get old with shoelaces, plus -- the entire place is sandy -- easy to shake off the sand with slippers.  We lived in Hawaii Kai, 5 minute walk to Sandy Beach. 

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« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2015, 02:27:06 PM »
Ok, so this is the second time in a few days where we have been treated to the "Flip Flop Shot" Guys, is it too much to ask to have your Wife, Girlfriend, or maybe that cute Summer Intern from the office take those shots?  ;D

Grew up in Hawaii dude!  Shaka Brah!  Rubba Slippah, haoles and mokes alike, always wear the rubba slippah.  The custom is to remove shoes when entering the home on the islands.  Would get old with shoelaces, plus -- the entire place is sandy -- easy to shake off the sand with slippers.  We lived in Hawaii Kai, 5 minute walk to Sandy Beach. 

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Re: large CB750 gas tank option on early CB750's ??
« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2015, 04:50:13 PM »
Geez that is fascinating. It's not a sandcast tank as it doesn't have the "Wrinkles" underneath, (although it does have some odd "dimples" I haven't seen before) and I don't think it's a "blown out" tank that's been warped with compressed air, because the front tank mounts appear to be the same distance apart on both tanks, so this is something I've never seen before, and I thought I'd seen it all. Could it be a tank from a pre-production CB750? I'm subscribed! Cheers, Terry. ;D
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Re: large CB750 gas tank option on early CB750's ??
« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2015, 05:33:10 PM »
This picture sure shows it looking bigger and it also looks like the tank badges are mounted in a little different location in correlation to the gas cap when comparing both. It would be neat to learn something new about these bikes after owning them for so many years.

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Re: large CB750 gas tank option on early CB750's ??
« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2015, 06:19:28 PM »
It might be a 2-dimple Nineteener. The smaller tank is potentially a mid-production 17 liter 2 dimple tank, which that website is looking for pics of. Also I noticed the rear bracket (piece that goes into the rear rubber) has a cut out in the front of it, and the pictured ones do not.



http://www.cb750sandcastonly.com/support12.htm
Early Production Tank - 1st Run - Underside View - Note absence of round quarter sized
"dimples" to clear carb cable tops.  Note lack of relief in the "square-D" areas on each
side of tunnel.  In both cases, fouling of carb cables occured.  This is the tank the Japanese
call the "nine-teener."  Later tank's capacity was reduced to 17 litres, due to bilateral
relief to solve the carb cable fouling.   

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Re: large CB750 gas tank option on early CB750's ??
« Reply #16 on: July 22, 2015, 10:55:56 PM »
Get this, after owning this cb750 for over 4 years, when I took it out of storage to get ready to sell it -- that's the first time I noticed that the tank looked too big -- I took it out of storage just about 4 days ago.

And the next day, 3 days ago, I noticed one of the exhaust baffles looked different.  Looked bigger, with a much wider opening that the HM341's I'm used to seeing.

Well the entire set of 4 pipes are in near perfect condition.    So I felt a big letdown, "Damn, I'm now going to have to explain to potential buyers why the baffle in the right side upper pipe is blown out/missing.  Damn."


Then I got to dusting the bike off from its in-storage slumber -- and I saw  "HM 300" on the pipe with the big baffle opening and BAM I thought to myself wtf.

The bike had 39k miles, not bad for a '74.  It was not up and running, but had excellent compression, a fat mystery gas tank and an HM300 pristine upper-right pipe.

I sold the bike this morning for $725.   I waited until *after* he'd paid me to give him the good news.

I got a lot of great deals along the way, it felt pretty cool to return the favor to the biker collective.

For all I know that tank is super-rare like the fat one I saw on Ebay and is worth like $1000 or something.

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« Reply #17 on: July 23, 2015, 04:37:18 AM »
Yep, I reckon you were too generous mate, I would have paid you a couple of hundred for that tank, just so I could hang it in my garage. Oh well............. ;D
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Re: large CB750 gas tank option on early CB750's ??
« Reply #18 on: July 23, 2015, 04:40:30 AM »
HM300 pipes in good shape cost a fortune!
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« Reply #19 on: July 23, 2015, 07:00:29 AM »
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« Reply #20 on: July 23, 2015, 08:11:37 AM »
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« Reply #21 on: July 23, 2015, 08:30:12 AM »
Sometimes I get tired of my greedy dumb ass, 'take take take',  I was a homeless teenager for a while, maybe that's why I became all grabby.

Get fed up with myself that way.  If everybody does a gimme gimme gimme all the time, there's no way I'm getting all these good deals over the years.

Sure feels good to give away something you know is worth more.

Okay I felt bad at first I'd given away the farm.

Then I started hating that greedy greedy greedy schitt I've been doing with these bikes since forever.  Then it was back to 'wonder what that tank really is.  Was it worth $10,000?"

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« Reply #22 on: July 23, 2015, 08:34:00 AM »
If you still have the owners contact details I would give him a early K tank (17l) in return for the larger 19l tank. I do a lot of touring and would it would be great for that extra range. Thanks.
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Re: large CB750 gas tank option on early CB750's ??
« Reply #23 on: July 23, 2015, 09:20:56 AM »
 Not to sound greedy but I would have kept that tank in my stash and given the bike another. Sounds like it needed more research for the ole' archives around here. Hopefully the new owner appreciates and understands what it 'may' be and doesn't do the knee dents   :D

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« Reply #24 on: July 23, 2015, 11:10:58 AM »
I agree, but I'm preparing well in advance for a move from California,  Home of the Dumb Lefties, no offense but the state is broke and you can no longer get a title to your motorcycle asset unless you pay $225 per year for back reg fees if the prior owner had the bike in storage and didn't renew.

California hates hobbyist antique motorcycle nuts and I'm headed to Florida in the next 2 years after I get my rentals sold.  Hopefully in 1 year.  No more Lefties.   Greece was run by Lefties.

Anyway, I can only take some bikes with me.  Whenever I do this kind of thing I always hope that karma works in both directions.

If that tank was like one of 50 in the world, oh damn.