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1978 CB750f, Is oil pump working?
« on: March 25, 2020, 08:03:08 PM »
just got the bike started up and i have filled the oil tank full of oil, after the bike has been running and i shut it off the oil tank is still full of oil to the top. If i leave the dipstick cap off it starts to pump the oil out of the tank so i assume there is oil pressure. Oil light goes off immediately and i loosened the oil filter cap and oil came pouring out of there so i think there is oil feeding the engine. Why does the tank remain full? 

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Re: 1978 CB750f, Is oil pump working?
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2020, 08:09:35 PM »
 The tank is the reservoir for the engine oil, one pump moves to the engine and another one pumps the used oil back to the tank. It may be overfilled but it shouldn't go empty.
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Re: 1978 CB750f, Is oil pump working?
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2020, 09:15:18 PM »
If pump is not working, oil pressure warning should lit.
It lit when ignition switch is on before starting the bike?
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Re: 1978 CB750f, Is oil pump working?
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2020, 09:49:53 PM »
I think I read a post where someones oil pump check valve stopped working  and all the oil stayed in the oil pan and when the owner saw the tank was low he put more oil in tank and when he started  the bike the tank ran over.
 
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Re: 1978 CB750f, Is oil pump working?
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2020, 10:53:03 PM »
That last post is likely what happened, take some oil out, at least a quart , or whatever you added..
 Over full is not good.
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Re: 1978 CB750f, Is oil pump working?
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2020, 11:59:53 PM »
i did a full oil change though, drained the whole motor and tank. So shouldnt the oil i poured into the tank enter the motor??

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Re: 1978 CB750f, Is oil pump working?
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2020, 12:58:13 AM »
Nope, a small amount may stay in the sump but not much. Its a dry sump system
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Re: 1978 CB750f, Is oil pump working?
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2020, 01:02:31 AM »
i did a full oil change though, drained the whole motor and tank. So shouldnt the oil i poured into the tank enter the motor??

Yes it should, once you start the bike up.

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Re: 1978 CB750f, Is oil pump working?
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2020, 04:24:56 PM »
well it doesnt seem to be doing so. the oil tank remains full even when i start it up. Motor seems to run fine though. am i missing something?

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Re: 1978 CB750f, Is oil pump working?
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2020, 04:32:19 PM »
There are two sections to the oil pump. One draws oil from the tank and feeds oil under pressure to the engine bearings and camshaft. The other section is called the scavenge pump, which vacuums up the oil in the bottom of the engine and pumps it back into the oil tank. 
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Re: 1978 CB750f, Is oil pump working?
« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2020, 04:52:22 PM »
How many drain plugs did you remove ? Removed and drained filter ?
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Re: 1978 CB750f, Is oil pump working?
« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2020, 09:39:16 PM »
How much oil came out when draining it?

I usually get 2.6L out. To get more I need to run bike on starter and let it squirt out at front where filter sit. This is risky since it take longer time to get pressure at next start with new oil.
Max 3L if leaning bike and running the pump which show the oil flushing out at front.

An overfilled engine and tank must  end up in more oil.
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Re: 1978 CB750f, Is oil pump working?
« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2020, 09:49:34 PM »
I may have to re drain the engine and start over to be safe and sure. How many plugs are there and how many quarts of oil do you put in? Just to double check

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Re: 1978 CB750f, Is oil pump working?
« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2020, 09:57:38 PM »
You are over-thinking this. The pump recirculates the oil from the tank to the engine sump and back to the tank, so the oil level in the tank stays at the same level, more or less.
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Re: 1978 CB750f, Is oil pump working?
« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2020, 11:46:05 PM »
 Darin plug on oil tank, and drain under motor  on the oil pan. And the filter, that's it.
 Usually around 3 qts.

 When you say you open cap and oil is trying to get out, to me sounds overfull . If you do decide to drain it , and its pretty fresh, I wouldnt remove nor drain the filter.
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Re: 1978 CB750f, Is oil pump working?
« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2020, 01:36:56 PM »
When things are normal, the oil tank maintain a more-or-less consistent level on your dipstick when the engine is running. There is some oil in the filter and the bottom of the engine (about 2/3 quart total) that can remain there unless you purposefully drain both during an oil change (and filter swap). Total engine oil from bone dry (like after a rebuild) on the CB750K0 (diecast) thru CB750K6 is 4.4 quarts. In the later 750 it is 4.1 quarts. Some of the sandcast 750 held only 3.7 quarts total, as they had a thinner oil tank.

If your tank level gets HIGHER after an oil change, it is because there was extra oil left in the bottom end of the engine (the oil pan). In many of these bikes now, the rubber checkvalve that closes off the pump when not running has become real hard an will not seal: this lets oil seep through the pump into the bottom end when the bike is parked after being run (the oil is thin then). It can even drain the whole tank! So, if you drain the tank, always use a container so you can see how much oil comes out - then you can tell if it is still holding the 3 quarts (in your engine) or if some escaped: if it did, then drain the oil pan (bottom end) at the same time. Then install 3 quarts of oil in the tank, start and run for 2-3 minutes, then check the level again. It might need a bit more. The "F" bikes all have the lesser oil amount in their systems (4.1 qts total).
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Re: 1978 CB750f, Is oil pump working?
« Reply #16 on: March 29, 2020, 06:09:31 PM »
Turns out it was way overfilled. My error. Thanks guys