Author Topic: Poxy frigging brakes!! (Read 7150 times)

Jim Shea · « **Reply #50 on:** October 28, 2006, 12:39:58 PM »

Bodi,
Thanks, I must admit I struggled with the exploded diagram, but you have hit the nail on the head. I think what has happened is; someone couldnt get the bearing cover seated properly because it is threaded and then cosequently the top hat spacer would rub against it causing a problem, so they stuck a washer in there!! What a cock up of a solution! (or what aclever cheap soluyion??)
So, I need to get a new bearing cover and get it threaded in flush, then I can dispose of the washer? and then the disc would be centred in the brake caliper.
Jim.

SteveD CB500F · « **Reply #51 on:** October 28, 2006, 02:20:33 PM »

Here's a picture of the Honda tool from my Chilton's guide.

Jim, can you measure the distance between the arms and the diameter of the pins from your bike?

Now who can we get to make us up one of these/ Old Boy??

mcpuffett · « **Reply #52 on:** October 28, 2006, 03:42:55 PM »

is the clutch tool for the 750's any were near that? or a angle grinder tightening tool? mick.

SteveD CB500F · « **Reply #53 on:** October 28, 2006, 11:47:57 PM »

Quote from: mcpuffett on October 28, 2006, 03:42:55 PM

or a angle grinder tightening tool?

Now that's an idea!

Jim Shea · « **Reply #54 on:** October 29, 2006, 01:39:02 AM »

I wish I had measured the distance between the holes before the wheel was put back on!

bryanj · « **Reply #55 on:** October 29, 2006, 02:50:57 AM »

What I have is a piece of 1/4 plate with four allen screws bolted through it at the appropriate points and a long handle welded on

Jim Shea · « **Reply #56 on:** October 29, 2006, 06:34:55 AM »

Bryan,
That sounds ideal. What have you done if the cover has been threaded at some point? getting a new one won't help will it, because of the thread problem?
Jim.

bryanj · « **Reply #57 on:** October 29, 2006, 07:34:19 AM »

Only answer Jim is secondhand hub or complete wheel. Sometimes you can, if you work for hartleys, clean out the threads but its at best a 50/50

Jim Shea · « **Reply #58 on:** October 29, 2006, 10:06:05 AM »

Brian,
Thanks, I thought as much!
Do DSS(or anyone) even do a replacement bearing cover?
Jim.

spitfire · « **Reply #59 on:** October 29, 2006, 10:16:57 AM »

Give David Silver spares a ring or E mail them, they have lots of stuff that are not on their website and they are very helpfull.

Parts:
41231-286-000 Retainer,RR. Wheel bearing.
91253-286-013 Dust seal, 30X45X9.5.

Cheers

Den

Jim Shea · « **Reply #60 on:** October 29, 2006, 11:03:14 AM »

Den,
Thanks.
Dust seal? is this the circular disc with 4 holes in it?
I wonder if you didn't use the cover but protected the bearing with grease or another protectr, would that work? I know someone posted that the cover also 'holds' the outer race of the bearing in place, it doesn't seem strong enough to me?
Jim.

spitfire · « **Reply #61 on:** October 29, 2006, 11:27:40 AM »

Hi Jim,
The retainer (circular disc with 4 holes in it) does just what the name implies it butts against the outer race of the bearing and holds it in place, it is not just a cover, the dust seal is the rubber bit that is inside the retainer, the top hat spacer fits into this seal.

Cheers

Den

Jim Shea · « **Reply #62 on:** October 29, 2006, 11:38:22 AM »

Den,
Ta, some people have said that it doesn't retain the bearing, some say it does. I think to be on the safe side I will try and do it properly, obviously at the moment it isn't retaining anyhting as it is not all the way in.
Cheers,
Jim.

supersport_CB400F · « **Reply #63 on:** October 29, 2006, 12:23:46 PM »

Hammer and center punch will turn the bugger if it's stuck.

Jim Shea · « **Reply #64 on:** October 29, 2006, 02:32:07 PM »

Good suggestion, my worry is, how to get a new one in? Is the hub alloy and the disc steel? if so i think the hub thread is buggered!

supersport_CB400F · « **Reply #65 on:** October 29, 2006, 11:35:38 PM »

I don’t have one on my 400 alloy rear wheel the axel spacers holds the bearing in place. I do have one of the rings in my original spoke’d wheel and its alloy….my guess is it’s one of those parts on the 400 that’s not needed, my bearings are sealed type in my alloy wheel. I’m using the original spacers and have no safety issues.

bryanj · « **Reply #66 on:** October 30, 2006, 06:25:18 AM »

The screwed ring is VERY important and needed.

The spacers on the axle hold the centre of the bearings in an exact position but without the screwed ring the hub can float on the bearing outer surface

Jim Shea · « **Reply #67 on:** October 30, 2006, 07:14:21 AM »

I have ordered a new one from DSS, it's 6 quid. Hopefully I can get it to go in flush??

SteveD CB500F · « **Reply #68 on:** October 30, 2006, 07:22:22 AM »

We shall see. Got to get/make a tool first.

You should change the name of this thread Jim, your brakes are fine now.

mic-57 · « **Reply #69 on:** October 30, 2006, 07:40:10 AM »

You can make a very simple and inexpensive tool out of two pieces of flat bar stock a bolt and two spring pins.
Get two pieces of steel about 1/8" x 12 ", Drill a 1/4" hole in one end of each bar, bolt the together to make an adjustable "V". On the other end of each bar drill a hole for your spring pins (I used 5/16" pins) and then install the pins.
Viola cheap easy and effective!

Jim Shea · « **Reply #70 on:** October 30, 2006, 07:49:32 AM »

Quote from: SteveD CB500F on October 30, 2006, 07:22:22 AM

We shall see. Got to get/make a tool first.

You should change the name of this thread Jim, your brakes are fine now.

Thanks mic-57.
Steve,
I think the brakes are ok until that inner pad wears down and I can't get a new one in??

supersport_CB400F · « **Reply #71 on:** October 30, 2006, 11:31:33 AM »

Quote from: bryanj on October 30, 2006, 06:25:18 AM

The screwed ring is VERY important and needed.

The spacers on the axle hold the centre of the bearings in an exact position but without the screwed ring the hub can float on the bearing outer surface

Bloody hell….I’m glad my old wheels are getting new SS spokes and rims over the winter! Can’t put retainers in the front or rear alloy wheels they don’t have any thread in the hub.

cben750f0 · « **Reply #72 on:** October 30, 2006, 11:43:40 AM »

jim, if the threads are a little damaged you can get a metal file called a thread file, has a special tip with the correct thread pofile, might help you clean out the threads if they are a little mashed, but if the are totalled you might be a ble to get them built up and a machine shop the re thead them for you to suit a new retainer..... yep that washers should not be there... let us know how you go...

peace

Jim Shea · « **Reply #73 on:** October 30, 2006, 12:05:12 PM »

Thanks for all the advice. I should have the retainer thing by wed/thurs and will have a go!

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