Topic: Bring your gun to the cinema !!

[Duke McDukiedook]

Chicago is a bad example to use. The reason why there are so many shootings there is because this huge push to create charter and for profit schools to attempt to remedy the intentionally neglected public schools forces students to go to schools outside their neighborhood where they reside. They encroach on territory outside where they reside and voila! Shootings occur.

[calj737]

Chicago is a bad example to use. The reason why there are so many shootings there is because this huge push to create charter and for profit schools to attempt to remedy the intentionally neglected public schools forces students to go to schools outside their neighborhood where they reside. They encroach on territory outside where they reside and voila! Shootings occur.

Duke- that's the greatest fabrication of reality I've ever heard. Well done, I didn't think it possible for someone to conjure up a completely distorted version of facts with the ever present facts in plain view. You should let George Lucas know you're coming for him...

[Duke McDukiedook]

Have you read many news articles about the participants and victims in the shootings in Chicago? I have, a lot of them involve young people that get caught up when they stumble into different gang territory because their charter school is clear across town.

But, I am sure in your strawman argument that 'All we need is a good guy with a gun' and arm these young youths as they are forced to venture outside their neighborhood that would solve all the gang problems in Cheecago.

http://www.chicagojustice.org/blog/yes-institutional-violence-does-exist-and-it-exacerbates-youth-violence

[calj737]

Have you read many news articles about the participants and victims in the shootings in Chicago? I have, a lot of them involve young people that get caught up when they stumble into different gang territory because their charter school is clear across town.

But, I am sure in your strawman argument that 'All we need is a good guy with a gun' and arm these young youths as they are forced to venture outside their neighborhood that would solve all the gang problems in Cheecago.

http://www.chicagojustice.org/blog/yes-institutional-violence-does-exist-and-it-exacerbates-youth-violence

I was born just outside Chicago, lived there, have family there, and travel there for business often. Never have I witnessed that the horrific gun violence there is attributed to students who are simply waging a turf war over Intramural Sports outcomes, Library cards, or someone having cut in line at lunch time. Here all this time I associated the victims with wars of cash to rival Donald Trumps stuffed in their pockets, baggies of crack, heroin, weed or pills, and semi auto pistols jammed down their pants as clear indicators of gang association. How naive of me!

There is no disputing that innocent citizens are tragically caught up in this urban crossfire of criminals conducting violence on their competitors. It's very similar to the mob violence during Prohibition and thru the late '70s. To underscore "intentional neglect in education and Charter school bias" as significant cause is grasping at a comets tail. As I said, you ought to write science fiction.

[vfourfreak]

I sort of regret starting this post. I have learned a bit from the responses, but I don't like to see so many forum members falling out with each other. (Correctly done, that can be healthy, no ??).

My own view is that in Europe gun ownership is so restricted that there is little to fear on the firearms front, except from terrorists and there are many hues of them, and some are present almost everywhere - or soon will be.

I believe the restrictions in Australia brought about a positive result.

I continue to learn a lot about the situation in the USA, but honestly it puts me off a return visit. That is mainly because it appears to me (note my emphasis) that many interactions can be based on  fear, like watch out, the guy you want to remonstrate for cutting you off on the road might have a gun - legal or not. And I truly regret seeing the attitude of many Police officers (recorded on video) where they appear to go into a situation with a degree of agression rooted in the fear that the citizen may be armed and so a possible threat to them.

Simplistic views from France.

Kev

[evanphi]

I would like to provide the Canadian side of the "gun control" story.

Here in Canada, we can own rifles (including semi-automatic), shotguns, and pistols. We cannot own fully-automatic firearms (unless they were grandfathered in, such as old military collectibles).

Semi-auto rifles' magazines are limited to 5 rounds, with some notable exceptions such as the American M1 Garand (8 rounds enbloc).
Pistols' magazines are limited to 10 rounds.
Pistol barrel length is limited to no shorter than 4.13" (105mm), center fire rifles 18", semi-auto rifles, 18.5". Shotguns and rimfire firearms, if the barrel length is shorter than 18" FROM THE FACTORY, it is perfectly legal. But you cannot MODIFY it to make it shorter than that 18" limit.

Some rifles are put into the "restricted" category (same as pistols) by name and appearance... AR-15 and variants. Even though they are just the same as any other semi-auto rifle. Just more plastic!
Some rifles are banned by name and appearance... AK47. Even though they are the same as any other semi-auto rifle!

All Canadians who wish to Possess and Acquire non-restricted firearms (long rifles, shotguns) must take a MANDATORY training course, and pass a test. To obtain Restricted firearms (pistols and other so-deemed rifles (such as the AR-15 and variants)), Canadians must do another course and test.

All applicants undergo DAILY, automated police background checks while PAL or R-PAL is valid.

All firearms are subject to strict storage and (especially for restricted) transportation laws.


Canada has some pretty silly laws when it comes to firearms. The banning/restricting of who can own one type of semi-auto rifle because of how it looks, or the name it was given, is just downright absurd. It is a firearm. It is no more "dangerous" than the person wielding it.

We can't open or concealed carry, we can't hunt with pistols, and we are probably some of the most scrutinized/"watched" people in Canada. And yet we are seen as "nuts" because we like to make things go boom sometimes. 

I LIKE the firearms laws in Canada. They are mostly reasonable, in terms of training, education, and licensing. I think if more states followed our methods, and INCLUDED the right to open/concealed carry (with more MANDATORY training) where they already exist... the US's gun "problem" might be improved a bit.


I FEEL LIKE THAT WAS A RANT.

Someone give me a direct question, dammit!

[vfourfreak]

Do you think Canadian gun laws were influenced by the Fenian invasion of Canada in 1866 ?

Kev 

[demon78]

No Kev it was when we burned the "White House" and the war of 1812 everyone decided that war was pretty silly and mostly guns got people hurt I mean #$%* they make a piss poor shovel, trying to take down trees with them is noisy, smelly and costly as far as a hammer goes that's downright dangerous, the wife, #$%*es about tripping over them and they don't make very good toys for wee Morag or Hamish so in that vein what's the point, mostly we weren't at war with our Indians except over the cost of fish  although I think they regret now days that they didn't have a few more wars with us, at least the entrepreneur types you know the free whiskey types the Indian could probably manage but the white man would get pissed up and forget all those promises he made Now after the wars that we did go into people brought back the occasional weapon and I'm pretty sure if we'd been invaded at that time all the airforce would have had to do to keep the guerrilla war going was drop .303 in every small hamlet and city I myself had a mint long branch enfield  that I had traded for some Ogden Nash verse the one he himself called "doggerel" not quite the same attitude towards weapons as our southern neighbors eh
Bill the demon.

[vfourfreak]

No Kev it was when we burned the "White House"

Now that's simply vandalism Bill.

Commendable, but vandalism none the less.

Kev

PS (How did you do it ??)

[BobbyR]

No Kev it was when we burned the "White House"

Now that's simply vandalism Bill.

Commendable, but vandalism none the less.

Kev

PS (How did you do it ??)

No it was not vandalism, it was payback. The US declared war on Canada as part of the British Empire. France and England were mixing it up overseas and we sided with the French. It was in simple terms some undecided issues left over from the Revolution.

The British blockaded the East Coast and the Canadians teamed up with their Indians and the Brits. They came across the border, kicked our asses, burned the White House.  Francis Scott Key penned the National Anthem during one of the battles. Everyone went home at the end with the borders intact.   

[vfourfreak]

Bobby, pas de souci, Je comprends completement ! 

In 1916 in Ireland, we started a fairly similar bout of Shenanigans. Took 5 years, but we sort of won. But no politics, now. OK 

Kev

[calj737]

Kev - nothing at all to fear about traveling within and to the U.S. It's a delightful place filled with a wide range of diverse people, cultures, subcultures, and short history. Some very great places to see, and like everywhere, we have places to avoid. Picturesque scenery, great riding climate somewhere always, and heaps of friendly people.

It's a big place with lots of people. So it's filled with everything you can expect as a result. Honk your horn politely (or sparingly) and get over it. Remonstrations don't solve problems, smiles do.

It would be "our" loss if you or others stopped coming due to a media bash of social issues.

[scrapvalue]

I would just like to say, that as soon as our government actually makes an attempt at disarming the criminals and outlaws, I would probably at least listen to why we shouldn't be able to legally own a gun. (still won't believe it).
But until then, them and all the bleeding hearts out there can just go p!$$ up a rope.
Unarming the honest people in this country is not the answer.

And that's all I have to say about that,(maybe).

[vfourfreak]

Kev - nothing at all to fear about traveling within and to the U.S. It's a delightful place filled with a wide range of diverse people, cultures, subcultures, and short history. Some very great places to see, and like everywhere, we have places to avoid. Picturesque scenery, great riding climate somewhere always, and heaps of friendly people.

It's a big place with lots of people. So it's filled with everything you can expect as a result. Honk your horn politely (or sparingly) and get over it. Remonstrations don't solve problems, smiles do.

It would be "our" loss if you or others stopped coming due to a media bash of social issues.

Hey Cal,

there was a bit of my tongue in my cheek  I'm planning a road tour of the USA to meet friends that I last saw 30 years ago when I lived there, and maybe some ones that I have met online  since.

Hell, I might even go back to Texas.

While I love France, Europe even, I think my horizons got limited recently. Better get out there again.

Kev

[calj737]

Absolutely! And when you do come over, stop by. I'll loan you a piece for your travels  of course, it will only shoot Pez knowing your Euro roots 

[vfourfreak]

Absolutely! And when you do come over, stop by. I'll loan you a piece for your travels  of course, it will only shoot Pez knowing your Euro Irish roots 

Thanks Cal,

bit of clarification performed. Not to worry, I'll convert the old Pop a Pez  dispenser to something more usefull. If required.

I might even stop by Bordeaux on the way out and get some of that wine you hanker after.

Kev

[calj737]

'89 Pichon Longueville Baron, if you please!

[vfourfreak]

'89 Pichon Longueville Baron, if you please!

Yeah, yeah I remember.

[Killer Canary]

Canadians have to keep returning to the states because our booze and cigarettes are cheaper there.

[evanphi]

Canadians have to keep returning to the states because our booze and cigarettes are cheaper there.

Perks of living close to the border!

But damn that exchange rate. It has been going up steadily since I bought my bike. Coincidence.........?

[Gene]

in Michigan you have to have permission from the preist,father,preacher,or who ever is in charge(not god)

If it's hunting season, one is expected to carry guns to church in Michigan.

[Killer Canary]

Canadians have to keep returning to the states because our booze and cigarettes are cheaper there.

Perks of living close to the border!

But damn that exchange rate. It has been going up steadily since I bought my bike. Coincidence.........?

No coincidence; it's plainly all your fault.

[70CB750]

Wife is from Port Huron, they know thing or two about Canadian shoppers 

Canadians have to keep returning to the states because our booze and cigarettes are cheaper there.

Perks of living close to the border!

But damn that exchange rate. It has been going up steadily since I bought my bike. Coincidence.........?

[Duke McDukiedook]

Have you read many news articles about the participants and victims in the shootings in Chicago? I have, a lot of them involve young people that get caught up when they stumble into different gang territory because their charter school is clear across town.

But, I am sure in your strawman argument that 'All we need is a good guy with a gun' and arm these young youths as they are forced to venture outside their neighborhood that would solve all the gang problems in Cheecago.

http://www.chicagojustice.org/blog/yes-institutional-violence-does-exist-and-it-exacerbates-youth-violence

I was born just outside Chicago, lived there, have family there, and travel there for business often. Never have I witnessed that the horrific gun violence there is attributed to students who are simply waging a turf war over Intramural Sports outcomes, Library cards, or someone having cut in line at lunch time. Here all this time I associated the victims with wars of cash to rival Donald Trumps stuffed in their pockets, baggies of crack, heroin, weed or pills, and semi auto pistols jammed down their pants as clear indicators of gang association. How naive of me!

There is no disputing that innocent citizens are tragically caught up in this urban crossfire of criminals conducting violence on their competitors. It's very similar to the mob violence during Prohibition and thru the late '70s. To underscore "intentional neglect in education and Charter school bias" as significant cause is grasping at a comets tail. As I said, you ought to write science fiction.

I know most of the violence there and other places is mostly attributed to the failed war on drugs- I get that. The increase in violence towards school aged children there due to rise of charter schools over the past decade or more can't be denied, it is happening. But to say it is not happening there is just burying your head in the sand. Children are being killed there because they have to venture to other neighborhoods where there are gang presence and they are just trying to get and education.

And for you to make light of children being killed due to circumstances beyond their control says a lot about you to me. Shame on you.
 

[calj737]

Get over yourself, Duke. I don't make light of kids dying, I make light of your assertion that Chicago is a bad example due to...  School aged kids dying is never funny and I have 4 of my own. Don't presume to know me or what I hold dear.