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Re: The Hot Mess - 1975 CB550F1 Frame/1981 CB650 Engine
« Reply #125 on: August 23, 2015, 12:01:48 AM »

Quote from: CB750 Cafe Racer Fan on August 22, 2015, 04:46:14 PM
I dropped of my frame to my buddy Jay's shop, along with the GSXR front end and Cognito wheel hub, so he can do the frame mods (gusseting, bracing, mods for tank mount, etc.). Jay also has an account with Buchanan's so he's ordering my spokes and Sun Rims and lacing up the fronts.  I decided to go with the ContiRoadAttack2CR tires -- 18" front and rear.


What rim widths did you finally decide on?


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Re: The Hot Mess - 1975 CB550F1 Frame/1981 CB650 Engine
« Reply #126 on: August 23, 2015, 12:25:24 AM »
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« Reply #127 on: August 24, 2015, 07:05:27 AM »
Im assuming you went 36 hole. A few less grams in spoke weight


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Re: The Hot Mess - 1975 CB550F1 Frame/1981 CB650 Engine
« Reply #128 on: August 24, 2015, 07:38:17 PM »
No, I stayed with the 40-hole on the front.  The rear 750 hub has 40 holes, too, so no choice to change it.  I'll be losing weight on the rims (steel being replaced with aluminum) and the brake rotors, so I will be losing rotating mass. 
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Re: The Hot Mess - 1975 CB550F1 Frame/1981 CB650 Engine
« Reply #129 on: August 25, 2015, 04:24:28 AM »
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Re: The Hot Mess - 1975 CB550F1 Frame/1981 CB650 Engine
« Reply #130 on: August 26, 2015, 06:43:32 PM »
Hard parts harvested by Bill Benton (just waiting for them to make their way to the West Coast):

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Re: The Hot Mess - 1975 CB550F1 Frame/1981 CB650 Engine
« Reply #131 on: August 28, 2015, 08:04:00 PM »
The bottom end is coming together.

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« Reply #132 on: August 28, 2015, 09:10:15 PM »
Lookin good! Any cosmetic finish planned for the outer cases? I quite like a "clean aluminum" look myself.

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Re: The Hot Mess - 1975 CB550F1 Frame/1981 CB650 Engine
« Reply #133 on: August 28, 2015, 09:19:12 PM »
Are you going to paint the bottom end?
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Re: The Hot Mess - 1975 CB550F1 Frame/1981 CB650 Engine
« Reply #134 on: August 28, 2015, 09:55:33 PM »
Doesn't look like it is going to see Glyptal in the cases and all the other candy some others put into a motor.
If it is assembled and not coming apart again he's likely to spay it assembled before moving to cylinder, head, and cover...
The cases casting often takes on a mottled look, just the nature of the alloy and technology of the day. The pout for a casting is pretty large contributing to the look.
MRieck has the billet cylinders but don't know if anyone will attempt billet or CNC cases. Imagine the cost of that motor!
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Re: The Hot Mess - 1975 CB550F1 Frame/1981 CB650 Engine
« Reply #135 on: August 29, 2015, 12:49:24 AM »
The engine is going to be painted a VHT cast iron with metallic flecks (in assembled components).
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Re: The Hot Mess - 1975 CB550F1 Frame/1981 CB650 Engine
« Reply #136 on: August 29, 2015, 04:18:44 AM »
I see questions of painting the engine came up. So I need to ask several
Is it better to paint engine in fully assembled or disassembled stage ? And same question for sand blasting the old paint from engine?
Can you just clear coat the engine? Dose that kind of clear coat exist? I really love the texture/color and feel of the old semi/polished
aluminum. And I would like to keep that color somehow....
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Re: The Hot Mess - 1975 CB550F1 Frame/1981 CB650 Engine
« Reply #137 on: August 29, 2015, 04:31:38 AM »
disassembled is "best" as you can be completely sure of getting it cleaned and painted/powder coated. Sand blasting is not recommended; its too coarse. Glass bead is better, but only if motor is completely disassembled and then THOROUGHLY rinsed/purged of media afterwards. Vapor Blasting/Wet Blasting is a highly desirable process, and it leaves a "peened" finish. You can choose any method to strip the cases to raw aluminum, but they are cast pieces. So to "polish" them is some work (vapor blast is great finish for this). You can then clear coat, or powder coat clear and leave them. Theres a thread from a member, Noblehops in "Services Offered" where he displays this process and before/after results.
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Re: The Hot Mess - 1975 CB550F1 Frame/1981 CB650 Engine
« Reply #138 on: August 29, 2015, 04:40:55 AM »
Quote from: calj737 on August 29, 2015, 04:31:38 AM
disassembled is "best" as you can be completely sure of getting it cleaned and painted/powder coated. Sand blasting is not recommended; its too coarse. Glass bead is better, but only if motor is completely disassembled and then THOROUGHLY rinsed/purged of media afterwards. Vapor Blasting/Wet Blasting is a highly desirable process, and it leaves a "peened" finish. You can choose any method to strip the cases to raw aluminum, but they are cast pieces. So to "polish" them is some work (vapor blast is great finish for this). You can then clear coat, or powder coat clear and leave them. Theres a thread from a member, Noblehops in "Services Offered" where he displays this process and before/after results.

Thanks!

Vapor Blasting/Wet Blasting is same as soda blasting? I will find that thread!
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« Reply #139 on: August 29, 2015, 04:42:47 AM »
Soda blasting will remove paint, vapor blasting may not. But you can follow soda blasting with vapor blasting for the peened finish. The result is beautiful!
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Re: The Hot Mess - 1975 CB550F1 Frame/1981 CB650 Engine
« Reply #140 on: August 29, 2015, 10:39:55 AM »
The cases were hot dipped and scrubbed prior to reassembly of the bottom end.  They will be painted assembled.  The other engine component pieces will be cleaned and painted separately, as well.

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Re: The Hot Mess - 1975 CB550F1 Frame/1981 CB650 Engine
« Reply #141 on: August 29, 2015, 10:48:39 AM »
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« Reply #142 on: August 29, 2015, 03:00:24 PM »
BLING... ;D  Looking good mate... ;)
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« Reply #143 on: August 29, 2015, 03:47:45 PM »
Haha!  Nothing wrong with a little bike part porn!!   ;)
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Re: The Hot Mess - 1975 CB550F1 Frame/1981 CB650 Engine
« Reply #144 on: August 29, 2015, 03:49:18 PM »
I heard from Mike that my cam and hardweld rockers are about a week out from Megacycle!!  And the rear hub and brake are on their way from Bill Benton (coming Tuesday)!!   ;D
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« Reply #145 on: August 29, 2015, 06:28:39 PM »
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Re: The Hot Mess - 1975 CB550F1 Frame/1981 CB650 Engine
« Reply #146 on: August 29, 2015, 07:14:34 PM »
Are they nicer than the EBC wave rotor?
I have one of them for the FunJimmy inspired R6 RSU fork swap.
Galfer makes very nice stuff,  extremely high quality. Better if you don't have any gold on the bike or that you don't want the brakes to catch your eye.



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« Reply #147 on: August 29, 2015, 07:51:37 PM »
Quote from: RAF122S on August 29, 2015, 07:14:34 PM
Are they nicer than the EBC wave rotor?
I have one of them for the FunJimmy inspired R6 RSU fork swap.
Galfer makes very nice stuff,  extremely high quality. Better if you don't have any gold on the bike or that you don't want the brakes to catch your eye.

Not sure how they compare to the EBC wave rotors. Galfer makes the Wave rotors and an upgraded Superbike rotor. I think these will be an improvement over used Suzuki GSXR rotors and give the bike a little pizzaz too.
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2005 RVT1000RR RC51-SP2 "El Diablo" - Sold
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Offline riverfever

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Re: The Hot Mess - 1975 CB550F1 Frame/1981 CB650 Engine
« Reply #148 on: August 30, 2015, 02:05:16 PM »
Don this rotors are going to look splendid on the bike. Glad to hear/see it's coming along.
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Re: The Hot Mess - 1975 CB550F1 Frame/1981 CB650 Engine
« Reply #149 on: August 30, 2015, 04:44:07 PM »
I agree with riverfever that rotor is going to look great and perfm great.
Are you rebuilding the caliper?  Figure you are using the stock caliper.
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