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Now it almost seems that purist is a dirty word here. I remember getting the business for implying I was interested in doing a chopper 750. Now it seems the cafe is the ruler... Is this just me? Or has the forum grown just a pinch in thier attitude towards this whole modify your own thing?

Raul you are still a gentleman among bikers, as well as the other purists here.

Just a question???
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Re: When I started in this forum it seemed very PURIST, have things changed?
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2006, 02:27:25 PM »
When your name is on the permit, the thing is yours and you can do as you like to it. There will always be different feelings as to what should be done to each bikes. As long as the owner is pleased with the results - its all good.

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Re: When I started in this forum it seemed very PURIST, have things changed?
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2006, 02:28:41 PM »
Well, I would like to *think* that the forums are for anyone that enjoys their SOHC, regardless of personal tastes in style. Call me a purist, but I like seeing cafes, choppers, hot rods, rats, touring bikes, etc. as it's a testament to the versatility of the Honda four's. In fact, if this forum had a dedication perhaps it would read something like this:

"To all the pioneers
inventors and designers
engineers and machinists
engine builders and fabricators
tuners and racers
who have shown the way"

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Re: When I started in this forum it seemed very PURIST, have things changed?
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2006, 02:36:44 PM »
me to each to his own , my f1 is slightyly modified to suit me, were as my kmodel is going to be stock,  ;)    mick.
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Re: When I started in this forum it seemed very PURIST, have things changed?
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2006, 02:49:56 PM »
To each their own ....
I can appreciate a fully stock CB just as much as one that looks like mine (whatever you may classify it as ::))
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Re: When I started in this forum it seemed very PURIST, have things changed?
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2006, 03:12:45 PM »
I agree, bikes are for fun, if you live in a box you can't enjoy your self very much. One thing in life that is very important! HAVE SOME FUN, What ever that means to you. Do somthing everyday for fun, because that is why we were put here. Find yours and get some. I get on a bike, and before I get to 3rd gear, I have a smile on my face, and that is all that matters.

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Re: When I started in this forum it seemed very PURIST, have things changed?
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2006, 03:40:16 PM »
I'm a relative newbie here, but as a couple others have said, "To each his own" sums it up pretty much for me.

*I appreciate the stock bikes. If I had a minty 69 CB750 you can bet your bottom dollar I wouldn't modify it. But I have a few cheap later issue 550. There's no reason to me to not modify it to suit my tastes.
*I can appreciate the choppers, although they're not my style at all.
*Bobbers are cool too.
*I like the cafe style.

Basically these bikes are incredibly versatile. My entire motorcycle life prior to the CB has been sportbikes... so it's only natural for me to be into the cafes, since those were the sport bikes of their time.

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Re: When I started in this forum it seemed very PURIST, have things changed?
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2006, 04:06:45 PM »
Mr. Honda says "please cafe every inline SOHC4 you can get your hands on".   ;D

not really, but he should have.
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Re: When I started in this forum it seemed very PURIST, have things changed?
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2006, 04:20:12 PM »
me to each to his own , my f1 is slightyly modified to suit me, were as my kmodel is going to be stock,  ;)    mick.


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Re: When I started in this forum it seemed very PURIST, have things changed?
« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2006, 04:40:55 PM »
I have just comented about Ohiocaferacer Gregs bike on another thread.
Not my type of thing but what a good looking scoot.
I think most are in agreeance, to each his own.

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Re: When I started in this forum it seemed very PURIST, have things changed?
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2006, 04:59:43 PM »
I am a pretty diehard purist, but I don't push my views on others, (unless of course advice is asked in a thread, then I will offer my four cents[two cents allowing for inflation]).  It IS their bike after all.

However, I DO like cafe style bikes and once I get a pristine stock example of a bike, I would have no problem getting a bike to cafe.  It also settles down with what a modifier starts with.  If someone takes a pristine, unmolested example and starts modifying/cutting/chopping it, well, that's not my thing AT ALL (and in fact, the thought makes me nauseous), but it IS their bike.  Now a snotter?  I would gladly tear into a snotter to make a cafe.

I'm not big on the chopper/bobber/rat style, but to me, it's more about the QUALITY of work done.  For example, Proteal's bike is not my style at all, but he takes his time, does good work and everything he does fits an overall "theme".  His bike is excellent.

Nothing bugs me more than a half-ass bike, whether it's a cafe, bobber, chopper or a "purist" restoration.  Go Big or Go Home, that's what I say.  Spend a few more dollars to do it right instead of trying to save a buck here and there.  If that slows your build, then so be it.  But you know it'll be done RIGHT.

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Re: When I started in this forum it seemed very PURIST, have things changed?
« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2006, 06:02:49 PM »
A bike is but an extention of our....    Well it is what you make of it, and if your happy with that, fine.   There will always be haters ad lovers of what you build.  If you have a little or a lot of money is what it it boils down to for a small minority.

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Re: When I started in this forum it seemed very PURIST, have things changed?
« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2006, 06:16:11 PM »
May be why I have so many of them.

I can't bring my self to chop up a clean unmodified bike. My gold 72  K is all original except for the exhaust.

My black bike is basically a stock looker with modifications to suit my taste (paint, bigbore kit, oil cooler etc) it started as a frame and boxes of parts.

Frankenbike started as a 77 K frame with just a title. No bikes were harmed while I am in the process of building.  ;D


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Re: When I started in this forum it seemed very PURIST, have things changed?
« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2006, 07:23:18 PM »
I was not around for the "Purest" stage.
But if asked I think all bikes should be returned to showroom stock condition (even if mine has a few modifications)
I also like nothing better than looking at some of the awesome modifications that have been done by the talented members of this form.

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Re: When I started in this forum it seemed very PURIST, have things changed?
« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2006, 07:53:59 PM »
i am planning on modifying mine into a sohc unicycle and there is no one who can stop me.

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Re: When I started in this forum it seemed very PURIST, have things changed?
« Reply #15 on: October 26, 2006, 10:19:03 PM »
when I first got into bikes mine were in pristeen showroom condition and I spent all my time trying to make them different, actually I'm still doing that but with a better(for me) picture of what I want, but.... if I could find one that wasn't a basket case for the right price, a stocker would now be high on my list
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Re: When I started in this forum it seemed very PURIST, have things changed?
« Reply #16 on: October 27, 2006, 04:46:37 AM »
i agree with tom,ive been on here for almost 2 years,when i started on here stock was the word.anyone talking chopping or cafeing was booed intensely.im glad things have smoothed out a bit.
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Re: When I started in this forum it seemed very PURIST, have things changed?
« Reply #17 on: October 27, 2006, 04:59:35 AM »
I'll freak everyone out when I turn my bike into a DOHC Suzuki replica. :o  Seriously, if I tried to please everyone all of the time, my life would be miserable.  My motorcycles have always been an extension of my personality and likes.  Who wants to be labeled, cloned or corralled?  Not me!, so say your #$%* and ride on.

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Re: When I started in this forum it seemed very PURIST, have things changed?
« Reply #18 on: October 27, 2006, 05:26:53 AM »
There are always waves of "the latest craze" be it converting bikes to stock, making choppers or the current one, making a cafe. At the end of the day it dosent really matter what you do as long as you ride the bike when you`ve finished! I always wanted a chopper until I actually rode one and discovered the front wheel would bounce going around corners (on this particular bike anyway) and so moved from that idea to making a cafe (which has been in my mind for the last 5 years)  - however I have rode a cafe bike before that had clubmans and rearsets (CB750) and to be honest it was uncomfy!!! Bad riding position.

My current cafe bike is much better but to all those building cafe bikes make sure you know what you are building so you can actuall ride it at the end of the day (and enjoy it  ;)).

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Re: When I started in this forum it seemed very PURIST, have things changed?
« Reply #19 on: October 27, 2006, 05:28:06 AM »
Well, as different as each grain of sand yet as prevalent as the beach. The adage to walk that mile in the other mans shoes would do us all well. Economics and vision usually govern result, at least where I am from.
As for the type of "bike" you have, end up with , create, it is all grains of sand L&G, grains of sand.
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Re: When I started in this forum it seemed very PURIST, have things changed?
« Reply #20 on: October 27, 2006, 06:35:07 AM »
I like a variety, I have my cafe bike, but I didn't do any permanent mods to it so it can be changed back to stock. (and it will, once the 78f becomes a collectors item)

My 76F and 73K and 72" 350, are what I call a "Super Stock" everything painted and polished, but  again no serious mods. (other than engine)

I also have a 350F project, chopper project, and an RC engineering 1056 Drag project.

If I ever ran across a rare CB I certainly wouldn't chop it up, but a sancast chopper would be fun..... ohh a wrinkle diamond coffin tank would be so cool...
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« Reply #21 on: October 27, 2006, 06:51:54 AM »
Yes it is nice to see things smooth out a bit.

A concours resto has all my respect. To do such a thing takes attention to detail and a commitment to using only O.E. parts. This also takes many hours of research. Some purist restoration guys can tell you what size bolt goes where and exactly when in manufacturing it was changed. ::)

A rippin Cafe or a Chopper that has been done right so that it is usable also gets respect here...

When we were at the Slimey Crud Run this fall, it was clear that people of all walks of life "do" the motorcycle because they can do it thier way.

Does not really matter that you ride a YL100 or a monsterous CBX. Just do it your way...

For Ref: I have a 2003 Victory for the cruisin (new addition to the family) and I also have 2 (mostly-stock) CB stockers and a cafe that I ride on a daily basis (ENIE MEANIE MINEY MO!). Each has thier uses. Sort of like picking the right tool for the job.
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« Reply #22 on: October 27, 2006, 09:12:38 AM »
I have a stock K1 for the simple reason that I bought it this way, and I'm old enough to understand it would be a pity to spoil such a gem. But if you start from a bucket or rust, like our swedish friend on the "Saving a CB from the salvage yard", there is nothing wrong with building a good cafe, but as somebody said before, "Go big or go home" (I like this motto, I think I will use it in the future). Building a stocker from a rusted out basket case will consume time, money, and when you have spent your budget, you will still have to spend more time and money. You will never recover your investment, and there are many stockers out there, so there is nothing wrong with making a cafe from it, or at least, a decent-looking bike with an eye of the total expenditure. From my point of view, when you buy a bike that had been lying for years, it was already dead. People give them away for free or for a song for the simple reason that, even when they are worthless for them, they feel somebody could use them. So if you get a bargain, do what you want, but do it with taste. An expensive paint job doesn't match with a rusty gearchange lever or dirty/pitted rims. All the elements in the bike must keep some kind of consistency.

Then, I believe that you must be able to put the bike to stock whenever you want, so if you want to modify something always keep the old parts, or at least buy a spare even if you are not using it today; you may be using it tomorrow. Cafes or cheap bikes are all ok; choppers and bobbers doesn't fit with the CB general design, at least in my opinion.

Regarding modifications, I was more purist at the beginning. For example, I bought my CB350 and it was olive green. It's not a colour that I like much, so I decided to paint it in candy gold, as it was also available at the time. It's true that my bike didn't leave the factory as a gold bike, but is there really any difference? Furthermore, if you are about to paint your bike, why do you have to choose from the available colours? Imagine you are back in the 70's, enter the showroom to buy a bike and the seller asks you which color do you like. You would probably ask wich ones are available, but imagine the seller simply tells you: "describe the colour you have in your mind for your dream bike". Wouldn't have you bought such a bike? So, why not doing it when you are restoring the bike? If the bike is yours, is yours. You decide what goes in and what not. If the rest of the world likes it, perfect, if not, then so be it.



Tom, thanks for your kind words, but believe me: If you spend a couple days with me your opinion would change...  ;D


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Re: When I started in this forum it seemed very PURIST, have things changed?
« Reply #23 on: October 28, 2006, 08:32:28 AM »
Excellent thread, Tom. It gets the thinking juices flowing.

I'm a relative newbie here (yeah, yeah, with too much time on my hands, yadda, yadda!) so never saw what things were like in the 'old days'. But I can imagine that the gradual shift in focus to the forum is a natural progression as more and more people come on board.

Let's face it, we would all love to have a pristine sandcast, or whatever. But would we then choose to actually ride it and submit it to the indignities of our 'modern' roads? Probably not. So let's give a second (or third, or fourth) life to these great bikes and do unto them as we wish, knowing that they are getting another chance to roll down the road.

I like seeing all iterations of an owners imagination. Having said that I prefer the 'stock' look on the basis that I can't comfortably pretzel myself into the riding position of a racer anymore. So the changes I'm making to Sophie are a bit more subtle....change of frame colour here; older, shiny, switchgear and slightly lower bars there.

The best thing about this forum is that there aren't many members with ten foot poles stuck up their arses, with all that brings with it!
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Re: When I started in this forum it seemed very PURIST, have things changed?
« Reply #24 on: October 28, 2006, 10:35:24 AM »

Let's face it, we would all love to have a pristine sandcast, or whatever. But would we then choose to actually ride it and submit it to the indignities of our 'modern' roads? Probably not. So let's give a second (or third, or fourth) life to these great bikes and do unto them as we wish, knowing that they are getting another chance to roll down the road.


Well said that man. I think that there has been a change in attitude to non-stock bikes on here, in the time I've been a member I've seen it. As you say if you can breathe live into an old rust bucket then it HAS to be a good thing. Restoring to stock is not always an option and I happen to really like cafe's so can see the appeal there.

For my part it would break my heart to see my near-stock 350 torn apart to make a cafe but if I had a rat of a bike I'd have no qualms about making it into a project. I do remember begging another 350 owner on here NOT to chopper his 350, and that was partly because I'm not a fan of choppers and partly because it was a pretty nice bike as it was and it seemed a shame to chopper it.

 At the end of it all it was HIS bike to do with as he wishes   :D ;)