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Riding Techniques for cb550
« on: August 22, 2015, 10:59:53 PM »
After two very close calls with deer this week and nearly missing the apex of a turn in a couple mountain roads.  It's been a week that made this rookie realize there is some room for improvement in the rider technique department.

I've come across the Twist of the Wrist cornering bible video on youtube.  I'd hope to find more like that if anyone has suggestions.

Is knee dragging even appropriate on a cb550f?  Before i rush out and buy better lower wear i'd appreciate the input.

Some self history: rode mountain bikes up until a few years ago.  Ride four-wheelers on the dunes, occasionally ride the sky with em too. 

Otherwise i'm a neophyte to highway riding.

Hopefully a discussion can get going as others chime in.

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« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2015, 11:07:17 PM »
Well my background was very similar. I raced mountain bikes and road bikes for 20 years before a neck injury required that I quit. The first bike I bought was an XR400 Motard. I had it for a few months and laid it down because I was riding way over my head. It was several years later when I got the bug to ride two wheels again and looked at CB's. I bought a 550. This time I made sure to take a Motorcycle Safety Foundation course and it was wonderful. I'm not really interested in dragging a knee or riding aggressively. I simply miss riding on two wheels. I don't ride the highway much but do when I commute to work.
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Re: Riding Techniques for cb550
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2015, 01:18:02 AM »
There are few different courses offered in my area, but the descriptions are somewhat vague.

Last i had looked they even had an off road class too.  But that wont do me much good as my goal is to do a better job keeping the tires on the road!

I realize these machines arent exactly r6's either


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« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2015, 03:57:23 AM »
 In Michigan an MSF course is mandatory for a first time motorcycle endorsement, guess thats not the case in WA ?
  Riding with some seasoned experienced other riders can be a good thing if they understand your current limitations and don't put you in over your head.  Look down the road,not the instruments scanning side to side and always anticipate potential problems.
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« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2015, 05:54:14 AM »
In CT it's mandatory to do the motorcycle safety training course to get your license. They have different levels too if you want to learn to do more advanced riding. I'm considering doing that, I think it's taught by the local police.

I'll check out that twist of the wrist video, haven't heard of that before.

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« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2015, 06:20:03 AM »
Unless your a newby, the MSF isn't going to do much for you.  There may be a race track in your area that offers an advanced rider course, I've considered taking one at COTA so I can get some track time


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« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2015, 06:42:42 AM »
If you have ABATE courses available in your area then you might want to consider that, they have courses for both novice and experienced riders at least they do around here. You also may want to do a google search on the topic of "target fixation" that has helped me a bunch in my cornering ability. Can't help you much on the deer because they're an issue here too, the only thing I can say about it is that if you spot one near the road, even if it's not in your way and already across the road you might want to slow down anyhow and keep an eye out for more following it, more often then not if I see one deer then there's probably 2 or 3 more following it.

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Re: Riding Techniques for cb550
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2015, 07:13:37 AM »
1. Take an MSF course.
2. Forget the knee dragging thing.
3. When you ride go ATGATT, All The Gear All The Time. You can't have to much protection on, especially for a beginner.
4. Maintain situational awareness. Know what is happening all around you all the time. Learn to "Have a Way Out" when you ride. Don't get boxed by trucks against a Jersey Barrier, and when you stop at alight leave some room between you and the vehicle in front of you and check your mirrors for a car coming up from behind that isn't stopping, for instance.
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« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2015, 07:18:04 AM »
If you drag a knee on your CB, you're probably in a bad situation that's about to get a whole lot worse...

I'll second that. I've only been riding for a couple years, but have ridded a few sport bikes along with my 550. There is a huge difference in handling capabilities, and these old bikes can't compare with the knee-dragging sport bikes of today. Get you some track time in, they're usually offering courses for people to take that offer lots of professional instruction.
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« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2015, 07:45:13 AM »
Focus on where you want the bike to go.  If you focus on the thing you're trying to avoid, you'll probably hit it.
Avoid any metal drain covers - they're slippery.
If you don't know a particular corner, slow down before you start leaning over, then apply the gas progressively when you can see where the road goes.
Slow in, fast out is better than fast in, panic brake, slide off!
If it's rained recently but the road has dried, there will still be damp patches in areas shaded from the sun (invariably on a bend), so be prepared.
As others have said, getting your knee down on an old CB will usually be followed by your elbow, head, etc., so forget it.
Whatever manoeuvre you're doing (especially overtaking) always make sure you have a Plan B (potential escape route) if anything goes wrong.
Assume that every other road user is an idiot whose prime intention is to kill you, because that's how most of them drive.
Take it easy until your confidence has grown and you've got more miles under your belt.
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« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2015, 08:47:04 AM »
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« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2015, 09:45:16 AM »
A couple things I can think of.
-If your riding that CB550 aggressively. get tires to match get some BT-45's or Pirelli sport demons or something of the like
-You mentioned you got into a tank slapper. I would suggest going over the head bearings and swingarm bushings
-You mentioned twist of the wrist cornering bible, check out the whole thing twist of the wrist vol 1 & 2   
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« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2015, 10:08:15 AM »
This will sound elementary, but you need to COUNTERSTEER. It is the ONLY way to get the bike to turn at speed.  Body leaning only helps minimally -- and principally for stability.  Hanging off the bike will only help so much, too.  Countersteering gets the bike to turn and to lean over.

You should not give to poops about trying to drag knee.  You will drag footpegs on your bike before you drag knee. 

If you find yourself in a decreasing radius turn, push more on the bar on the side inside the turn and it will get the bike to turn sharper. 

Another common fault is TARGET FIXATION.  The bike will go where you look.  Look through the turn to where you want to end up and the bike will follow.  It sounds elementary but it WORKS.  If you end up focusing on a road hazard or guard rail, you will find yourself on top of it.

PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE. 

Do not ride at speeds above your ability.  Go slow so you do not panic when you encounter an issue.  You are training yourself to have muscle memory and technique so that as you progress it will be automatic.
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Re: Riding Techniques for cb550
« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2015, 11:08:39 AM »
A couple things I can think of.
-If your riding that CB550 aggressively. get tires to match get some BT-45's or Pirelli sport demons or something of the like
-You mentioned you got into a tank slapper. I would suggest going over the head bearings and swingarm bushings
-You mentioned twist of the wrist cornering bible, check out the whole thing twist of the wrist vol 1 & 2

I'm not sure what a tank slapper is, but I'm fairly certain those bearings are undamaged.

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« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2015, 12:00:24 PM »
In Washington there are two things one must do to become endorsed.

1)pass a knowledge theory test with an 80% or better (note - simply doing this qualifies you for a 90 day instruction permit, renewable once for a maximum of 180 days)
2)pass an on-bike skills exam consisting of 5 maneuvers.  slow speed weave *for balance, quick stop, u-turn, swerve, and dual apex s-turn carving.

THAT'S IT!  pretty basic.  All MSF courses are optional.

I don't know of any track days in my area.  Unless one counts the stock car oval track?  I would love to go to one.

So far some good advice has been tossed out.  All things that I have taken to heart from past experience.

More about that past experience.

Sand dunes - what a dangerous place to ride, (I say that as affectionately as possible).  The terrain can be rough, it's steep, it's full of odd angles, VISIBILITY IS ALWAYS A NUMBER ONE CONCERN.  Traction is limited and momentum is greatly rewarded (lest you get stuck).  Speed decisions are best made AFTER you have a line of sight.  and if that's not enough, other riders and sandrails (especially) can (and sometimes do) crush atv operators.  Horizon lines and blind corners are two places where bad things happen at the dunes.

BUT - I've never had a close call with a deer at the dunes.  Damn those critters.

So that's where I've honed much of my on-bike instinct.  With a capable machine and input from some highly capable riders.

Alas, the street is not sand.  So I won't go deluding myself that all of the thought process and skills transfer to the paved and twisty.  I already know that they don't!

Moving on,

The realization that a cb550 doesn't possess the ergonomic features nor the technology of a modern sport/super sport.  What does it have, and how do we utilize that to our advantage?  Taking command of a 550 can't be as simple as sit upright and stay between the lines now can it?

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« Reply #15 on: August 23, 2015, 02:14:41 PM »
Twist of the wrist is a good start, but there are many other books on improving riding skills.  I took a California Superbike Class and it was quite good.  All day class, around 100 miles total on track and I was beat.  I was dragging pegs on one side and the exhaust canister on the other. (Ducati 900S).   I was not the fastest by any means on track.  I also took the class where you lock up the front brake on their bike with outrigger wheels.  Doing stoppies while trying to lock up the front wheel was quite fun.  Side benefit was I vastly improved my braking skills.

If you have not taken a MSF class, do so.  Consider the Superbike Class or  Reg Pridmore's school, and you could ride your own bike.

I had a lot of fun, and I would do it again if I find one closer to home.

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Re: Riding Techniques for cb550
« Reply #16 on: August 23, 2015, 03:43:22 PM »
This was kind of touched on above, but make your bike roadworthy. 
Good tires, brakes and suspension is a must if you want to ride aggressive. 
Get nice soft rubber, upgrade your shocks, install tapered head bearings, all this will help your 40 year old cruiser.   
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« Reply #17 on: August 23, 2015, 05:18:28 PM »
A couple things I can think of.
-If your riding that CB550 aggressively. get tires to match get some BT-45's or Pirelli sport demons or something of the like
-You mentioned you got into a tank slapper. I would suggest going over the head bearings and swingarm bushings
-You mentioned twist of the wrist cornering bible, check out the whole thing twist of the wrist vol 1 & 2

I'm not sure what a tank slapper is, but I'm fairly certain those bearings are undamaged.

A tank slapper wont damage the bearings. But it can be the cause of it to begin with, having play or looseness in the bearings can initiate such an event
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« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2015, 07:02:45 PM »
This was kind of touched on above, but make your bike roadworthy. 
Good tires, brakes and suspension is a must if you want to ride aggressive. 
Get nice soft rubber, upgrade your shocks, install tapered head bearings, all this will help your 40 year old cruiser.

I'm riding GS-11's in factory sizing.  They actually grip pretty well, and handle nicely, even on my long curvy gravel driveway.

As for suspension, it's stock.  I would upgrade if it were possible to retain the oem look.  Piggyback Resivoir shocks are cool but not for this bike.

Of course, I could just get another bike :D

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« Reply #19 on: August 23, 2015, 08:11:34 PM »
GS11s are not going to be capable of delivering high performance.  If you are going to ride aggressively then you need some BT45 Bridgestone tires or similar.  A good set of rear shocks and some good springs and possibly cartridge emulators in the front forks is needed.
To delude yourself into thinking the GS11s are good enough you will be repairing you bike before too long. You can enjoy the bike immensely if you do the mods recommended previously.  It is a classic good bike made better by a few costly modifications.  You will still be owning a bike for less than most with an improved grin factor.
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« Reply #20 on: August 23, 2015, 08:47:47 PM »
If you drag a knee on your CB, you're probably in a bad situation that's about to get a whole lot worse...

I'll second that. I've only been riding for a couple years, but have ridded a few sport bikes along with my 550. There is a huge difference in handling capabilities, and these old bikes can't compare with the knee-dragging sport bikes of today. Get you some track time in, they're usually offering courses for people to take that offer lots of professional instruction.

I'll go against the grain here, Knee dragging is completely unnecessary on the street,  but easy on most bikes, its a technique, overused on the street {look at me  ::)} , I'm not to sure i would want my knee dragging on a road surface, especially without full leathers and knee guards/scrapers. Its actually very easy to knee drag on just about any bike, its all about shifting your weight off the side of the bike and lowering it's center of gravity, allowing you to keep the bike a little more upright than you generally would under normal circumstances. Roundabouts are an easy place to knee drag... 8)

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« Reply #21 on: August 24, 2015, 08:49:30 AM »
Regarding Twist of the Wrist: I can only find volume 2, nothing that actually says volume 1. Anyone have a link? Kinda want to watch the first before the second.

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« Reply #22 on: August 24, 2015, 09:17:17 AM »
As for suspension, it's stock.  I would upgrade if it were possible to retain the oem look.  Piggyback Resivoir shocks are cool but not for this bike.

Of course, I could just get another bike :D

the stock shocks were crap and they have not gotten better with the years. but no need to go piggyback. look at ikon or hagon: they have classic looking ones that work well.
also go over the forks as has been suggested. there is a good chance that those old springs are dead.
replace the headset bearings and swingarm bushings as suggested. also the wheel bearings while at it.
renewed suspension and bearings will make your good old 550 handle better. more responsive and more stable and predictable at the same time.
then make your brakes as good as possible. and get some new good tires, like the BT 45 that was suggested.

i think a basic riding course like MSF is a good way to start. it is mandatory for everyone here in the netherlands and i don't hear anyone regretting having had to do it.
then a track course for cornering technique sounds good.
the rest i guess is down to practice and experience, and knowing your limits and not pushing them unless you know you are in a fully controlled situation - which is almost never on the road.

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« Reply #23 on: August 24, 2015, 10:21:25 AM »
Something far too many beginner riders do is let their ego get in the way of common sense. Motorcycles are fun. Riding motorcycles through twists is great fun. Laying motorcycles down is never fun.

Ride to your abilities, and don't let ANYONE convince you to ride above them. It happens all the time...the guy who's been riding for 2 years trying to keep up with the guy who's been riding the same canyon for 20 years.

I ride my CB hard, but never beyond mine or ITS abilities. The adrenaline rush comes a lot quicker on these old bikes than it does on a brand new GXSR (which is another conversation, and why I think anyone under 25 should be riding a vintage bike and not a modern sport bike). Just enjoy what you're able to do, and what your bike is there to do.

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« Reply #24 on: August 25, 2015, 08:46:08 AM »
You live in deer country ( and black bear, cougar, sasquatch, etc) ride like it! I know the roads where you live and they are fantastic on two wheels but you always have to remember there can be animals in the road around the next corner. It's not a race course but it is fun to ride.
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« Reply #25 on: August 25, 2015, 11:58:20 AM »
Something far too many beginner riders do is let their ego get in the way of common sense. Motorcycles are fun. Riding motorcycles through twists is great fun. Laying motorcycles down is never fun.

Ride to your abilities, and don't let ANYONE convince you to ride above them. It happens all the time...the guy who's been riding for 2 years trying to keep up with the guy who's been riding the same canyon for 20 years.

I ride my CB hard, but never beyond mine or ITS abilities. The adrenaline rush comes a lot quicker on these old bikes than it does on a brand new GXSR (which is another conversation, and why I think anyone under 25 should be riding a vintage bike and not a modern sport bike). Just enjoy what you're able to do, and what your bike is there to do.

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« Reply #26 on: August 25, 2015, 01:45:46 PM »
I'd slow down and study that road a little better.
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« Reply #27 on: August 25, 2015, 01:59:41 PM »
Step one, read a book like Twist of the Wrist (1&2)
Step two, go to a track day
Step three, you will always be learning on a motorcycle
Step four, forget everything we tell you.  :)

The amount of bad information I've received on proper riding is incredible. Also, the way you might understand a concept versus how someone else needs to have it explained can result in two completely different interpretations of the lesson. The best way to learn is to research, practice, take classes, and pay attention every time you ride so that YOU learn what you need to know. I've ridden over 80k miles in my life on motorcycles, and many more on mountain bikes, road bicycles, and my old BMXs. I still improve with every turn I take and every brake/throttle transition. If you don't find that you are learning/improving with every ride, then you are doing yourself an injustice. Learn the physics, learn the feel, and learn your limits.  Oh, and enjoy!!!  :)
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« Reply #28 on: August 25, 2015, 07:45:10 PM »
I did a little digging and found an outfit that hosts track/instruction days at pacific int'l raceway just a few counties over.

However.  I have to get some additonal gear and fix the damn shifter seal leak before i could participate.

I appreciate ya'lls concern for safety!

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« Reply #29 on: August 27, 2015, 09:22:58 AM »
I think we've all seen enough motorcycle accidents that any intelligent person would say "I don't want that to happen to me!" Although I do see guys riding like they haven't got the message or think they are invincible. One crash on two wheels will ruin your day.

You can take a saturday trainer course that provides bikes and be done all in a day. It costs around $125 and once completed you don't have to do the state test.
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