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RE: Turn Signal slow blink
« on: September 03, 2015, 07:31:58 AM »
Does any know what cause turn signals to blink slowly.  I tight everything up and say an improvement, but feel like the signal should be going a little faster.

When I am driving it is ok, but when I just put the key in the ignition when the engine is not running it is very slow.

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Re: RE: Turn Signal slow blink
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2015, 07:38:42 AM »
With your bike off, your battery only is running the lights and flasher relay.
When riding, your charging system kicks in, and aids in production of needed voltage.
There really should be little difference if you have a good working battery  ;) 
If the flash is low or poor with the bike off, its your battery.
The proof will be if you hook up a charger to your battery, and test the lights (bike off). 
If they work as if your bike is ON and running, your battery is weak.
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Re: RE: Turn Signal slow blink
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2015, 07:50:43 AM »
You might have some subpar electrical connections too.
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Re: RE: Turn Signal slow blink
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2015, 08:17:57 AM »
Assuming your battery and electrical connections are in good shape, if you're still using the original-style electromechanical flasher unit, consider upgrading to a modern electronic flasher.

The electromechanical flashers rely in a bimetallic strip inside the unit.  As power flows through the strip, it heats up and bends, opening the connection.  With power interrupted, it then cools off and returns to the original position, closing the connection.  Because these flashers rely on the heating and cooling if a metal strip, and the rate of heating is proportional to the amount of current flowing through the flasher relay, the flash rate will vary depending on the supplied power and the load being driven.  That's why it flashes faster when the alternator is generating power.

Modern electronic flasher units are much less affected by these factors so you get a pretty constant flash rate.

You can pick one up at almost any auto parts store, read the packaging carefully to make sure you're getting one that's rated to drive the number of bulbs you have (two per side).  Make sure it's also rated for the amount of power drawn by your bulbs (LED or incandescent -  the flasher unit I most recently bought could handle either).

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Re: RE: Turn Signal slow blink
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2015, 09:39:33 AM »
Have you changed your flasher the thermal flashers will go bad

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Re: RE: Turn Signal slow blink
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2015, 10:17:10 AM »
No I have not changed the unit.  Had no idea voltage made a difference.  I only got one battery and the problem seems to follow me around from bike to bike.  So weak battery may explain things.

Would like an electronic unit if that would help things out.  Any recommendations?  It is so annoying at times I just want to 86 the blinkers, but know that is not smart.

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Re: RE: Turn Signal slow blink
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2015, 10:28:31 AM »
There is nothing wrong with your existing flasher unit.
A new (electronic) flasher may get your flash rate up because it can handle the lower voltage signal better, but its a band aid for the real problem.
Invest in a good AGM new battery and test the veracity of your charging system before you are stranded somewhere. . .

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Re: RE: Turn Signal slow blink
« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2015, 12:12:51 PM »
I use my turn signal beeper as a voltage meter. Starts getting slow and anemic I head home and charge my battery or at least keep the rpms up.
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Re: RE: Turn Signal slow blink
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2015, 12:25:52 PM »
My stock flasher was bad so I changed it to an electromagnetic one that doesn't rely on draw to flash, it was $8.00 at Autozone.
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Re: RE: Turn Signal slow blink
« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2015, 09:51:52 PM »
I went to LED lights on my bike and installed a electronic flasher really the best way to go much brighter and lower power draw

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Re: RE: Turn Signal slow blink
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2015, 12:58:03 AM »
Does any know what cause turn signals to blink slowly.  I tight everything up and say an improvement, but feel like the signal should be going a little faster.

When I am driving it is ok, but when I just put the key in the ignition when the engine is not running it is very slow.

I have a theory about this. My blinkers also wont flash at idle with the headlight on or when the engine's not running - I think it is simply the bulb wattage. The original honda bulbs were 25 watts whereas modern bulbs seem to be usually only 21 watts - I will test out my theory tomorrow if I can find the right bulbs!
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Re: RE: Turn Signal slow blink
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2015, 11:56:22 AM »
Does any know what cause turn signals to blink slowly.  I tight everything up and say an improvement, but feel like the signal should be going a little faster.

When I am driving it is ok, but when I just put the key in the ignition when the engine is not running it is very slow.

I have a theory about this. My blinkers also wont flash at idle with the headlight on or when the engine's not running - I think it is simply the bulb wattage. The original honda bulbs were 25 watts whereas modern bulbs seem to be usually only 21 watts - I will test out my theory tomorrow if I can find the right bulbs!
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That was the fix I needed to do on a few restorations using reproduction lights. The wattage rating on these light bulbs is lower than the OEM and need to be replaced with the correct wattage bulbs in order to get a stock flasher to operate properly.
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Re: RE: Turn Signal slow blink
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2015, 05:08:44 PM »
We'll on my ride today it seem to be working much better.  I wonder if it just needed to be used?

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Re: RE: Turn Signal slow blink
« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2015, 05:34:25 PM »
If its been 2+hrs after your ride, humor me and take a voltage reading at your battery terminals, with the bike not running.
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Re: RE: Turn Signal slow blink
« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2015, 08:44:55 PM »
Ok, it took me a while to get around to it but I found in my used bulb collection two 27watt blinker bulbs and installed them in my rear blinkers and hey presto my blinkers always blink when I'm sitting at the traffic lights now. With the engine off they now blink once before just staying on - I think if I could find a set of four 25watt bulbs they would flash even without the engine running (I currently still have 21watt bulbs in the front two so I'm still 2watts short: 21+27=48 25+25=50).
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Re: RE: Turn Signal slow blink
« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2015, 08:52:38 PM »
I just use an el cheapo old style automotive flasher (under $5) but as mentioned  you gotta have a good battery and clean connections.
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Re: RE: Turn Signal slow blink
« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2015, 09:25:08 PM »
Does any know what cause turn signals to blink slowly.  I tight everything up and say an improvement, but feel like the signal should be going a little faster.

When I am driving it is ok, but when I just put the key in the ignition when the engine is not running it is very slow.
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Re: RE: Turn Signal slow blink
« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2015, 09:27:56 PM »
All those bikes and only 1 battery? C'mon man!
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Re: RE: Turn Signal slow blink
« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2015, 12:31:44 AM »
Does any know what cause turn signals to blink slowly.  I tight everything up and say an improvement, but feel like the signal should be going a little faster.

When I am driving it is ok, but when I just put the key in the ignition when the engine is not running it is very slow.
Kyle, have you checked your blinker fluid level lately?  :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P

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Re: RE: Turn Signal slow blink
« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2015, 01:18:14 AM »
Oh deah! I have never checked my blinker fluid! I don't know how to top it up- can I just remove the phillips head screw in the top of the headlight and pour it in there?? -and I can't find any blinker bleeder nipples either so how do I bleed my blinkers?
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Re: RE: Turn Signal slow blink
« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2015, 04:18:23 AM »
All those bikes and only 1 battery? C'mon man!

Soon I hope to be down to a more manageable number.  You need one I got as nice or rusty as you want it at a good price too.

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Re: RE: Turn Signal slow blink
« Reply #21 on: September 24, 2015, 05:52:51 AM »
All those bikes and only 1 battery? C'mon man!

Soon I hope to be down to a more manageable number.  You need one I got as nice or rusty as you want it at a good price too.


I need to downsize too, I'm losing (free) storage space by the end of the year. 
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« Reply #22 on: September 24, 2015, 07:51:11 AM »
All those bikes and only 1 battery? C'mon man!

Soon I hope to be down to a more manageable number.  You need one I got as nice or rusty as you want it at a good price too.


I need to downsize too, I'm losing (free) storage space by the end of the year.

That is why we got  to team up and rent a place down there.  I help with the rent.  You show my bikes to prospective buyers for a fee of course and everyone is happy.   :)  Might be a non issue soon enough though.  Just sold a 350f for $200.

Got a CB750 with a title that I am willing to sell for another $200.  Owner removed the casting junk in the head to give it extra kick.  That is the only part I want off that bike the head.  The 18" rear rim would be nice too.

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Re: RE: Turn Signal slow blink
« Reply #23 on: September 24, 2015, 03:46:55 PM »
All those bikes and only 1 battery? C'mon man!

Soon I hope to be down to a more manageable number.  You need one I got as nice or rusty as you want it at a good price too.


I need to downsize too, I'm losing (free) storage space by the end of the year.

That is why we got  to team up and rent a place down there.  I help with the rent.  You show my bikes to prospective buyers for a fee of course and everyone is happy.   :)  Might be a non issue soon enough though.  Just sold a 350f for $200.

Got a CB750 with a title that I am willing to sell for another $200.  Owner removed the casting junk in the head to give it extra kick.  That is the only part I want off that bike the head.  The 18" rear rim would be nice too.

I've looked into renting storage space down here, not cheap.  Austin is booming so everything is expensive.
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Re: RE: Turn Signal slow blink
« Reply #24 on: September 24, 2015, 06:01:59 PM »
Ok, it took me a while to get around to it but I found in my used bulb collection two 27watt blinker bulbs and installed them in my rear blinkers and hey presto my blinkers always blink when I'm sitting at the traffic lights now. With the engine off they now blink once before just staying on - I think if I could find a set of four 25watt bulbs they would flash even without the engine running (I currently still have 21watt bulbs in the front two so I'm still 2watts short: 21+27=48 25+25=50).
p.s. My flasher can is a brand new genuine oem item from hongkong (cost me $65!). 
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