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Offline DaveBarbier

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Toyota Pickup Forum
« on: September 27, 2015, 11:32:04 AM »
Weird question for a SOHC4 forum, but as well as these Hondas I'm also really into the older Toyota Pickups (just got another one yesterday from PA). Specifically the 22r and 22re powered ones. I was looking around the internets and am looking for a good forum. Much like this one but for the Toyotas. Anyone know of a good or the best one? I joined one already but it seems small given the giant following these trucks have.

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Re: Toyota Pickup Forum
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2015, 12:03:10 PM »
Hey Dave....I've had 5 Toyota trucks that I use as a work vehicle, currently have a '07 Tacoma.

Toyotanation is pretty good, but I'm just on there when I am trying to diagnose an issue which is not very often [Tacomas are great trucks!]

They have a section on the 1st Gen's.....

http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/164-tacoma-forum/

The 22r is the little 4 banger, right?  I prefer the 3.0 V6.
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Re: Toyota Pickup Forum
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2015, 12:15:05 PM »
I'll check out that link. I'm currently on the 'Toyota Truck Forum'. An engineer probably named the group...

Yeah the 22r is a beautifully designed 4 banger. I had an '88 that had a weird over heating issue that I could keep at bay with the heater blower, but it ended up over heating and blew the head gasket. Didn't get around to fixing it so I sold it. Long story about them sending it to Guatemala. I just got a '94. LOVE these trucks and love when you put them in 4wd you need to go outside and manually lock the hubs (really old ones would sometimes unlock if you drove in reverse, haha!)

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Re: Toyota Pickup Forum
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2015, 12:31:29 PM »
Was poking around that forum, looks like it only goes back to '95. I need an older one, haha. Apparently the Tacoma name started in '95. These trucks are just named 'Pickup' (Hilux in other countries). I'll look around a little more, they might have a section for these somewhere.

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Re: Toyota Pickup Forum
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2015, 12:54:12 PM »
Try Yoda tech and look at 4runner forums the 4runner is a t100 or tocoma with a uni body on it

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« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2015, 01:04:09 PM »
Yeah, the 22r was a great motor, with little maint would run forever. They also put them in the Celica and 4Runner's back in the 80's.
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Re: Toyota Pickup Forum
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2015, 09:19:32 PM »
I hate to burst your bubble Steve but the 3.0 v-6 wasn't that great of an engine. I'm familiar with quite a few of them that didn't go too far past 100K before needing head gaskets. A guy I worked with has an 88 p/u and a 93 Forerunner both 4x4 5 speed with the 3.0 and he has done head gaskets in both. I had a really nice 95 Tacoma 4x4 (first year of Tacoma) 5 speed single cab with the 3.4 and it had 282K still running strong till I totaled it. I will get another some day. Most dependable and bullet proof truck I've ever owned. I do like all of the body styles though. The 22r was a better choice for the older ones as far as longevity goes.
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Re: Toyota Pickup Forum
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2015, 12:05:56 AM »
The 22R (and the earlier versions like the 18R and 20R) are what built Toyota's reliability reputation. The early 5 speed transmissions often needed bearing replacements every 100K miles, give or take 10K. I traded in an '83 22R for a new '89 4WD with the 3.0, and sometime around '96 I received a notice from Toyota about head gasket problems. They extended the warranty, which had already expired years before, for another year, or until the truck reached 100K miles, and offered to reimburse expenses incurred for previous out-of-warranty repairs. My truck never had the head gasket problem, but a friend had a failure on his '90, at just over 100K. No one that I spoke with from Toyota could give me a reasonable explanation for the failures, but I believe they may have been caused by improper servicing of the cooling system. The 3.0 has the thermostat mounted low on the block, and when refilling a drained system the closed thermostat prevents the coolant from entering the block, even with the radiator filled to the brim. The top hose has to be removed from the radiator and held up while coolant is poured in.
The main place where a 22R shines over a 3.0 is ease of maintenance. Changing spark plugs on a 3.0 requires the good part of an afternoon, and replacing the valve cover gaskets takes a hell of a lot more time than an afternoon. A normally simple job like removing and replacing a starter is a nightmare; I just did it this last week. It took a good 2 hours just to squeeze and jiggle and wiggle the starter into place through the only access under the inner fender, and probably a half hour or more just to get the two mounting bolts aligned and tightened down. 
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Re: Toyota Pickup Forum
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2015, 05:37:37 AM »
I hate to burst your bubble Steve but the 3.0 v-6 wasn't that great of an engine. I'm familiar with quite a few of them that didn't go too far past 100K before needing head gaskets.

No bubble burst here, Fred.  My current one only has 40K, but my last 3.0 was run up to 197K miles with no engine issues at all.  I did have to change the cats at 175K in order to get the engine light off to pass State inspection but that was the only unscheduled repair done. 
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Re: Toyota Pickup Forum
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2015, 09:42:56 AM »
Sucks, I don't think there is, or I can't find, an SOHC4 equivalent forum for my truck. Why can't you all just temporarily switch to 22re expertise for me?

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Re: Toyota Pickup Forum
« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2015, 10:12:24 AM »
I hate to burst your bubble Steve but the 3.0 v-6 wasn't that great of an engine. I'm familiar with quite a few of them that didn't go too far past 100K before needing head gaskets. A guy I worked with has an 88 p/u and a 93 Forerunner both 4x4 5 speed with the 3.0 and he has done head gaskets in both. I had a really nice 95 Tacoma 4x4 (first year of Tacoma) 5 speed single cab with the 3.4 and it had 282K still running strong till I totaled it. I will get another some day. Most dependable and bullet proof truck I've ever owned. I do like all of the body styles though. The 22r was a better choice for the older ones as far as longevity goes.
If you get a later model v6 they are a 3.4 and much more reliable

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Re: Toyota Pickup Forum
« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2015, 04:52:23 PM »
I hate to burst your bubble Steve but the 3.0 v-6 wasn't that great of an engine. I'm familiar with quite a few of them that didn't go too far past 100K before needing head gaskets.

No bubble burst here, Fred.  My current one only has 40K, but my last 3.0 was run up to 197K miles with no engine issues at all.  I did have to change the cats at 175K in order to get the engine light off to pass State inspection but that was the only unscheduled repair done.
I didn't have to replace a bad cat. I had to replace a stolen one!! I guess a few years back out here in California the tweakers were stealing them and cashing in on precious metals. 2 weeks before mine got ripped I was talking with a 4-runner owner at the gas station while we were fueling. He was telling me how easy they were to lift on the 4x4's because of the increased ground clearance. Roll under....remove 4 bolts and it's all yours. Well I figured I would tack weld the bolts on mine at work. That would slow a thief down. Never got around to it and lo & behold went out to my driveway one Saturday to do a weekend getaway and discovered on start up a very loud vehicle. I knew right off what had happened and boy was I pissed! Luckily I found a shop open that could install one for $250 so my trip was only postponed a couple of hours. I told the guy I wanted it welded on....no bolts. I heard nowadays you can't use a generic converter in this state anymore so I would of had to get an OEM for like $600!! Now they make people jump thru hoops to cash them in so I don't think they are getting solen as much.
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Re: Toyota Pickup Forum
« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2015, 04:58:42 PM »
Never heard of a stoles cat!   I had generic cats installed, another reason to not live in CA! [sorry Fred]
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Re: Toyota Pickup Forum
« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2015, 05:18:10 PM »
Love all my Toyotas! No matter how much frame rust I have to take care of! Yota Tech is the best for the older 22re pickups and 4 runners, Tacomaworld for the Tacomas! None of mine have ever let me down!





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« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2015, 05:27:06 PM »
Nice! 
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« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2015, 04:42:10 AM »

Love all my Toyotas! No matter how much frame rust I have to take care of! Yota Tech is the best for the older 22re pickups and 4 runners, Tacomaworld for the Tacomas! None of mine have ever let me down!







Nice trucks. I'll check out Yota Tech, thanks. Here's mine that I just got. Clean and almost no rust but with a weird sound coming from the valve cover area. That's why I want to find a forum, haha.


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« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2015, 05:37:53 AM »
Looks good, Dave.
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« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2015, 06:19:38 AM »
I still have our '81 4WD pickup we bought new and took home from Universal Motors in Anchorage on Cheistmas Eve 1980. The bottom end of the 22R is built like a diesel. They won't win many drag races but there are engines out there with a half a million miles on them. The timing chain tensioner is the main weakness on them. The '81 still had the double row timing chain and metal guides. They started down the path of cheapening them after that.  I also like the solid front axle on the earlier trucks. Doesn't ride as nice as the later independent setups, but there is not much to go wrong and simple to fix if it does.

I haven't found a forum like this one for old Toyotas either, but haven't looked for awhile either.
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Re: Toyota Pickup Forum
« Reply #18 on: September 29, 2015, 06:56:46 AM »
What valve noise? 22rs tick lick crazy but normal
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Re: Toyota Pickup Forum
« Reply #19 on: September 29, 2015, 09:51:36 AM »
"I didn't have to replace a bad cat. I had to replace a stolen one!! I guess a few years back out here in California the tweakers were stealing them and cashing in on precious metals."

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« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2015, 10:42:56 AM »
What valve noise? 22rs tick lick crazy but normal

Yeah they do, but this is different. It's random and sounds like something is bouncing around under there. At first I thought it was a loose heat shield.

This is the video I took of it. Might be hard to hear but there's the normal ticking then as I rev it the random tickity tick click clackity click comes in.


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« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2015, 11:33:33 AM »
On the 22Rs after 1982 I believe, they went to a single row timing chain and plastic guides. When the hydraulic tensioner quits doing its job (typically around 140-150 K), the chain is slack enough to hit the guides and break them up. The pieces fall into the oil pan. Eventually the chain will eat into the water jacket if the bad tensioner isn't addressed. The fix isn't bad unless you do it the official Toyota way which involves removing the head and oil pan. It is possible to remove the timing chain cover without head and pan removal though. My '81 has the double row chains and metal guides so noise is the main effect of a bad tensioner. Metal guides are available in the aftermarket for later engines as well as better than OEM tensioners.
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« Reply #22 on: September 29, 2015, 11:47:40 AM »
My wife had an '85 4-banger full bed truck - I think we replaced the clutch once . . . it got passed around to family members-Nieces, Nephews-last we heard it was living somewhere in Washington with 300+ K on it.  I think one of the kids had to finally replace the engine.
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« Reply #23 on: September 29, 2015, 12:27:04 PM »
Kinda sucks that they couldn't have made a Chevy S-10 or Ford Ranger to be so bullet proof. Both of those trucks have good body styles but very few go beyond 100K without needing major work.
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« Reply #24 on: September 29, 2015, 03:55:29 PM »
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