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Offline eoddom

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Always turn the gas off
« on: October 08, 2015, 05:50:35 AM »
I never understood why people said to turn your petcock off when not using your bike.  Woke up at 7am with gas alllll over the garage floor and my entire house reaking of gas. Talk about a scary way to start the day

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Re: Always turn the gas off
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2015, 06:19:57 AM »
There are two kinds of people .... ;D

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Re: Always turn the gas off
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2015, 06:25:28 AM »
Haha I'm usually not the type of person to learn stuff the hard way.  Definitely forgot to turn it off after messing with it last night

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Re: Always turn the gas off
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2015, 06:55:10 AM »
I have an automatic alarm when my garage reeks of gas - the wife yelling at me about it!
Happened just last week, was not the petcock though, the beautiful Kaw ebay tank sprung a leak.
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Re: Always turn the gas off
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2015, 07:41:53 AM »
I think it might be my gas line.  When the petcock is off, all is fine.  When I turn the gas on, gas starts dripping off the bottom of the petcock.  Looks like i put about half a gallon on the floor last night.  Spent the last few hours out of the house letting everything air out.

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Re: Always turn the gas off
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2015, 07:50:05 AM »
Is it the petcock with sediment bowl?  There is an o-ring you may need to replace.
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Re: Always turn the gas off
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2015, 08:00:28 AM »
It's a brand new petcock from 4into1.  I think I may need clamps on the gas lines since im using 1/4" gas line.....

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Re: Always turn the gas off
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2015, 08:23:01 AM »
It's a brand new petcock from 4into1.  I think I may need clamps on the gas lines since im using 1/4" gas line.....
Definitely....or get some OEM 5.5mm line
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Re: Always turn the gas off
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2015, 08:26:55 AM »
It's a brand new petcock from 4into1.  I think I may need clamps on the gas lines since im using 1/4" gas line.....
Definitely....or get some OEM 5.5mm line
Hard to beat OEM 5.5.
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Re: Always turn the gas off
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2015, 09:08:42 AM »
Yeah it's the gas line.  It looks like it's stretched itself out and gotten loose in less than 24 hours.  Took the line off, plugged the petcock hole and turned it on and no leaks.

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Re: Always turn the gas off
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2015, 09:09:31 AM »
It's a brand new petcock from 4into1.  I think I may need clamps on the gas lines since im using 1/4" gas line.....
Definitely....or get some OEM 5.5mm line
Hard to beat OEM 5.5.
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http://4into1.com/genuine-honda-black-fuel-line-5-5mm-by-the-foot/
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Re: Always turn the gas off
« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2015, 09:12:17 AM »
Is it the petcock with sediment bowl?  There is an o-ring you may need to replace.

Or a hole in it. I had one bowl with a small hole. Corrosion....
When bowl and brass filter is off for O-ring replacement, tighten the 2 screws holding the petock to the tank.
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Re: Always turn the gas off
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2015, 09:16:30 AM »
If it swells that much,  I suspect it's not fuelproof.
Honda line is wonderfull...don't even need clamps and you can always pull it off.
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Re: Always turn the gas off
« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2015, 09:25:18 AM »
This is the petcock I have http://4into1.com/honda-motorcycle-fuel-valve-petcock-16-x-1-5mm-1/

It's not leaking though, just the line.  Going to order some new fuel line, new coils and plug caps and an electronic ignition today.

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Re: Always turn the gas off
« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2015, 09:26:37 AM »
This is the petcock I have http://4into1.com/honda-motorcycle-fuel-valve-petcock-16-x-1-5mm-1/

It's not leaking though, just the line.  Going to order some new fuel line, new coils and plug caps and an electronic ignition today.
did your coils test bad? 
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Re: Always turn the gas off
« Reply #15 on: October 08, 2015, 09:40:36 AM »
Sorry, should have said "pending this coil is bad."  I also just read to make sure the bike is running well before attempting an install of the electronic ignition.  If this coil does turn out to be bad, I want to get my order in by the end of the day so they are here for the weekend.

I'm also bad at the whole "if it aint broke, dont fix it".  I have a tendency to just go in and start replacing things due to age moreso than them actually being broken.

Take my last XJ for instance, needed a new track bar, ended up doing that, tie rods, steering dampener, the bars the tie rods go onto, sway bar, bushings, etc.  Basically new front end.

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Re: Always turn the gas off
« Reply #16 on: October 08, 2015, 09:46:08 AM »
coils rarely go bad, but plugs caps do...
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Re: Always turn the gas off
« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2015, 09:48:11 AM »
coils rarely go bad, but plugs caps do...

Alright thanks, might have saved me some money, sir.  The inside of the plug caps do look pretty bad (rusty).  I need to track down an 18mm thin walled socket and get the plugs out of 2 and 3 and see how they look.

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Re: Always turn the gas off
« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2015, 09:54:24 AM »
I never understood why people said to turn your petcock off when not using your bike.  Woke up at 7am with gas alllll over the garage floor and my entire house reaking of gas. Talk about a scary way to start the day
The gravity feed pet cocks need to be turned off if bike to be un run for more than a short period. This is in all owners manuals of the era. This is for safety's sake as you have experienced. Bad fuel line, stuck float valves, etc.

Later vacuum operated petcocks turn themselves off automatically so no problem on later bikes. 1985+ or so.

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Re: Always turn the gas off
« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2015, 09:55:18 AM »
It's a brand new petcock from 4into1.  I think I may need clamps on the gas lines since im using 1/4" gas line.....
Definitely....or get some OEM 5.5mm line
Hard to beat OEM 5.5.
$2.50/ft
http://4into1.com/genuine-honda-black-fuel-line-5-5mm-by-the-foot/
Thanks for the link, just bot 5ft from them to replenish my supply.  :D
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Re: Always turn the gas off
« Reply #20 on: October 08, 2015, 09:56:27 AM »
OK, newer type of petcock, like I have on my CB750 K6 tank.
I had problems earlier this year with cheap crappy fuel hose that did not withstand fuel. Became very soft and kinked, clamps difficult to tighten when fuel hose moved off the spigots when tighten.
I changed to Gates Barricade, made in USA.
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Re: Always turn the gas off
« Reply #21 on: October 08, 2015, 09:59:30 AM »
Not switched off fuel and bad float valves can cause a fuel flow into the engine and fill the cases with fuel, much fuel. Bad idea to start engine. Drain all oil, in with new.

I have only read about it. I switch off.
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Re: Always turn the gas off
« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2015, 10:00:58 AM »
coils rarely go bad, but plugs caps do...

Alright thanks, might have saved me some money, sir.  The inside of the plug caps do look pretty bad (rusty).  I need to track down an 18mm thin walled socket and get the plugs out of 2 and 3 and see how they look.
Cut back the end of the coil wire about 1/4" to get to some clean copper before you screw the new caps on.
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Re: Always turn the gas off
« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2015, 10:02:50 AM »
Not switched off fuel and bad float valves can cause a fuel flow into the engine and fill the cases with fuel, much fuel. Bad idea to start engine. Drain all oil, in with new.

I have only read about it. I switch off.
That's true. Back when I worked for a tune up shop, we'd drain oil and it obviously had gas in it.
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Re: Always turn the gas off
« Reply #24 on: October 08, 2015, 10:50:44 AM »
coils rarely go bad, but plugs caps do...

Alright thanks, might have saved me some money, sir.  The inside of the plug caps do look pretty bad (rusty).  I need to track down an 18mm thin walled socket and get the plugs out of 2 and 3 and see how they look.
Cut back the end of the coil wire about 1/4" to get to some clean copper before you screw the new caps on.
If you start upgrading the points plate components, please stick to OEM components only (ND or TEC).  Aftermarket ignition components (sudco, daiichi, K&L, etc) are shidt!

Anything else that would cause both inner cylinders to be dead?  Just used a screwdriver in the plug cap of #3 to make sure the coil is atleast putting out a spark, and it is.  But few times I've gotten it to run for a few seconds at a time, exhaust pipes for 1 and 4 get good and warm, 2 and 3 stay ice cold.