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« on: October 14, 2015, 04:42:43 AM »
This should keep people talking about laminar flow, rough surfaces etc etc etc. ::) ;D ;D The new ZX10
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Other than the previous engine’s bore and stroke, there’s not much more carried over between the old and new ZX-10R. A new lighter crankshaft provides quicker revving, with a correspondingly lighter balance shaft and rod journals that have a new coating for reduced friction at higher rpm helping in this regard. New pistons (shorter skirts chop 5 grams), cams with more overlap, and new airbox (25% more volume, air filter with 60% more surface area for better flow) work with an all-new cylinder head featuring reworked and polished intake and exhaust ports (previously only the intake ports were polished) plus revised combustion chamber for better response and power. Titanium intake valves remain at 31mm, but the titanium exhaust valves increase in size 1mm to 25.5mm. Cylinder wall thickness was increased slightly for a more rigid engine block.
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Re: Port finishes
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2015, 05:02:38 AM »
Yo, you port, I polish!  ;D Good enough for my Pop's Yoshimura head, good enough for me! Always like polished, but labor intensive. After all,  it used to be port and......polish! It didn't quit working, the porter's got.......tired!! ;D, Bill
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« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2015, 07:44:05 AM »
LMAO, but Johnny was heading in the right direction,  ;D, Bill
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« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2015, 07:55:54 AM »
Hell my first thought was you were going to say they used dimpled finished ports or some such. ;D

I always thought SS valves were better than Ti for exhaust valves though....those silly Kawasaki engineers!  ::)

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« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2015, 09:27:52 AM »
Yeh, we like our shade tree's!!!!! ;D, Bill. .....what'd they know? Haha.Lol
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« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2015, 10:02:48 AM »
Same kind of work as many have done with their CB750's for decades! :)
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Re: Port finishes
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2015, 12:43:10 PM »
Claimed 207 hp at the crank stock.  Holy schnikees!
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Re: Port finishes
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2015, 04:06:44 AM »
But does it sound horny  ::)   thats what turns me on
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Re: Port finishes
« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2015, 12:56:12 AM »
Polished ports work fine on fuel injected motors.

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Re: Port finishes
« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2015, 06:45:35 AM »
 I don't that fuel injection cares what the surface is especially with the use of dual injectors and their placement to the throttle valves and port opening.
 Has anybody here ever Extrude Honed a head? The finish on the ZX10 ports reminds me of that. Expensive process......like 700.00 for a 4 cylinder head. :o
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Re: Port finishes
« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2015, 07:11:10 AM »
I have a friend that has had extrude honing done to his cast iron V8 intake on his F.A.S.T. (factory appearing stock tire) drag car.  That's a crazy set of restriction to make that worthwhile...

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« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2015, 08:33:27 AM »
I have a friend that has had extrude honing done to his cast iron V8 intake on his F.A.S.T. (factory appearing stock tire) drag car.  That's a crazy set of restriction to make that worthwhile...

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Re: Port finishes
« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2015, 10:34:16 AM »
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« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2015, 01:55:37 PM »
looks is all that counts


Are you channeling Billy Bling there Medyo?

Those are some strange words from someone who is building a stroker "King Cobra" RC big block motor  ;D

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Re: Port finishes
« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2015, 02:17:35 PM »
Not running a polished intake was the thing back in the carb days for motors that never got the chance to warm up, such as drag race motors. The problem was keeping the fuel atomized.   The newer bikes with fuel injection and straight shot ports do not have atomization issues.

As for Extruda hone, I never liked the concept on a head with horizional ports that have to make the sharp turn at the bowel, as the putty doesn't want to make that turn and I would thing it would screw up the long side radius.   Hoewver, when the GSXR1000 came out I thought that may just work. I called and discussed it with them and they agreed to do a before and after test of just one intake port. We flowed a head then sent a head down there for them to do. I couldn't get them to send it back, finally when they did, three of the intakes had been hand ported, and one extruded honed. I guess they guy that did it was only supposed to hand port one port. So we knew that what we had was not just extrude honed, so we didn't even bother to flow it.

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Re: Port finishes
« Reply #16 on: October 26, 2015, 03:21:30 AM »
Extruded porting never took off here in OZ due to the cost versus results, some people played with it in various car and bike production racing classes as a means to flirt with no porting rules.  I have flowed standard versus extruded and to keep things in perspective my results showed that a 3 angle valve job including the back cutting of valve netted a higher increase in flow at low lifts ( up to .200 ) than extruded, after that lift I easily achieved an equivelant flow increase or more  by just a few minutes tidying up the port with cutters and course emery cones............except when being used to flirt with rules  ;) in my experience it cant compete with manual porting techniques.
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