Topic: GP $hit $how

[SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan]

rossi can salvage the championship all to easily all it will take is one mistake from lorenzo , rossi has a 7 point lead if neither finnish rossi is champ
he could opt to go for a soft tyre and rough lorenzo up or perhaps there is the capriosi approach to winning the championship , i was at valencia in 06 when rossi
couldn't loose the championship  and im going next week to see one he cant win ........ or can he , i hope not i have never liked all his acting and mind games.  lorenzo has been the better rider this year
and will make a better champion

Simon,

I don't think (as many others) that Rossi can win the championship "all to [sic] easily."  You seem to neglect that Lorenzo is known for his robotic ability to bang out consistent fast laps over and over again.  He just needs to place two spots ahead of Rossi to win the championship, and Rossi needs to pass an entire field of riders, using up his tires and fuel at a faster pace to catch Lorenzo.  He must finish right behind Lorenzo or beat him to win the championship.  That is not an EASY proposition. 

Lorenzo probably came off as the most petty of all of the riders, demanding that Rossi be disqualified so he would have no pressure on him to win the championship.  If you remember, he got a DQ in 2005 because he had a notorious reputation at the time as being a reckless and crash-happy rider.  Lorenzo rode like dog poo for most of the first half of the season -- and blamed his HJC helmet for fogging each time he lost in the wet.  Get a better freaking helmet, you cheap bastard of a champion!

I like Rossi (even with his crazy mind games) and Marquez for his amazing talent.  I respect Lorenzo for being fast, but who the hell wants to be a Lorenzo-fan?  Hell, I even like Casey Moner Stoner better than Lorenzo.

The Worlds' Biggest Loser last weekend was always a bridesmaid Pedrosa, who rode the balls off his bike and no one cared because of the Rossi-Marquez incident.

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/motogp/summary-sunday-malaysian-gp-2015/#more-95809

[bwaller]

I was just about to post that article Don, thanks for beating me to it. People are probably sick of me bringing it up.  I absolutely hate that this has happened. They have to re earn my respect.

Don's article is a long one but very worth the read.

[SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan]

Thanks, Brent.  Here is another interesting piece -- what other MOTOGP racers think about the incident.  The high majority of those quoted in this article agree that MM93 was messing with VR46 -- taking laps at 1 second below his warm up session pace just before the race started.

The only one who seemed to "moan" was Casey Stoner (big surprise) who cannot stand Rossi.

http://www.cycleworld.com/2015/10/27/what-are-the-other-motogp-riders-saying-about-the-rossi-vs-marquez-controversy/?src=SOC&dom=fb

[Retro Rocket]

Thanks, Brent.  Here is another interesting piece -- what other MOTOGP racers think about the incident.  The high majority of those quoted in this article agree that MM93 was messing with VR46 -- taking laps at 1 second below his warm up session pace just before the race started.

The only one who seemed to "moan" was Casey Stoner (big surprise) who cannot stand Rossi.

http://www.cycleworld.com/2015/10/27/what-are-the-other-motogp-riders-saying-about-the-rossi-vs-marquez-controversy/?src=SOC&dom=fb

Stoner was completely right Don and he wasn't "moaning" Thats your take on it mate, he simply stated a fact.{and he's a better rider than Rossi anyway  }, I read from another race report this morning that ,"there were 2 other clear examples  for lesser infringements where the other riders {in different races} were banned for at least one race or had to start from pit lane or were stripped of points and or black flagged, Carl Fogarty said exactly the same thing Stoner did and so did most of the people interviewed about this ... As I said earlier, Saint Rossi has been guilty of the same thing on a quite a few occasions now and was recently penalized for it {misano}, the Rossi fan boy stuff is getting a bit sad, considering Rossi has done this more than once and inflamed the situation because of his over sized ego, Rossi has a problem with anyone thats faster than him, its well documented.........

Agostini said it best...

Lastly, here’s what 15-time world champion Giacomo Agostini told the Italian newspaper, Gazzetta dello Sport, about the incident: “Valentino fell into Marquez’s game that this time was smarter than him. He should have expected such a reaction: Marc had nothing to lose. They passed and re-passed each other thousands of times. You cannot fall into this trap, you cannot do this maneuver, going so wide, especially if you are Valentino Rossi. What happens in a racer’s mind in those moments? I’m convinced that Valentino was angry, exhausted and frustrated, but until that turn it had been a great fight. But Valentino was surprised. He is a great professional. In his place, I also would have been very angry with Marquez, who provoked and exasperated him.”

Agostini added: “If you look back, when it was about winning, Valentino has never been soft with his rivals, just think of Casey Stoner or Sete Gibernau. You cannot condemn a rider like Marquez who is putting up a show.”

[SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan]

Fair enough, Mick. I've never been the biggest fan of CS, although he sure can ride - the only MotoGP Ducati champion. I just thought he could do a better job not being so sour about his press and publicity obligations. He did such a lousy job at winning the crowd and #$%*ed about so many things. Not half as cool as TB21!  It would have been a treat to see Stoner battle Marquez at his peak.

[SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan]

And now for the humor files:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ph7BfQlBkk8

[simon#42]

rossi has filled an appeal to the court of arbitration for sport , the court meets next friday when practice will already be underway . he is asking for the 3 point penalty to be dropped which is unlikely
however he could get them suspended until the court has made its decision which will be long after the race has finished , allowing him to start from his qualifying position next sat .
just a bit more drama to spice things up !

[Retro Rocket]

rossi has filled an appeal to the court of arbitration for sport , the court meets next friday when practice will already be underway . he is asking for the 3 point penalty to be dropped which is unlikely
however he could get them suspended until the court has made its decision which will be long after the race has finished , allowing him to start from his qualifying position next sat .
just a bit more drama to spice things up !

I suspect they'll just throw the appeal out and see it for what it is, a cheap attempt to avoid any penalty. He's not doing himself any favors...

[bwaller]

Whatever happens, I just want to see a good race.

[krusty]

It'll be interesting to see what sort of a run through the field Rossi will get from the other riders.

[SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan]

It'll be interesting to see what sort of a run through the field Rossi will get from the other riders.

You can bet MM93 won't let him through easily.

[Greg H]

I think that  from now on a lot of people will view Rossi differently   , in a lot of peoples eyes his rash reaction to Marquez's riding has  not only resulted in him losing more than a realistic chance of gaining his tenth premier class title , but more importantly, has resulted in him losing a large chunk of his credability .
   


 

[FunJimmy]

Speaking of Rossi taking shots at Marquez.

http://www.cycleworld.com/2015/10/29/valentino-rossi-vs-marc-marquez-the-vendetta-video/

[simon#42]

im surprised that you think he has lost more than a realistic chance of winning the championship greg . he is still 7 points ahead and there is a couple of things in his favour , first valencia tends to favour the hondas and there is a good chance they will finish first and second meaning rossi will have to finish 6th to win . also the weather is very unpredictable this time of year a bit of rain and who knows what will happen ?   lorenzo has to go for it he has no choice but to try and win any mistake and its over . even if rossi starts from the back of the grid he will be in the top ten after the first lap or so . to me the race is very evenly balanced and to be honest could go either way the important thing is that he doesn't have to actually beat lorenzo.
marquez is even more pissed today after some italian journalists went to his house and tried to present him with a cup of sh*t for the last race [ its an italian thing ] , punches where thrown !

[Bailgang]

Yeah I agree that Rossi hasn't lost the championship just yet because I don't think it's all that unrealistic that he can still actually pull it off in fact I think it's quite possible and you know Italian fans will go nuts if he does. He'll have pressure on himself for sure but Loenzo wont be having it much if any easier either. I imagine there will be many watching the next race just to see how this drama plays out.

[turboguzzi]

oh no, it gets worse, if you can believe it.

turns out that two interviewers of the italian TV program "le iene" (the hyenas), a prime time show that exposes political affairs, corruption, and consumer problems, went all the way to Marques home in Spain to give him a special "Cup" for his antics. As much as it sounds like a do-good program, all items are presented very sarcastic-scandal like to get TV ratings and this was no different.

Reporters got into a row with the whole Marquez family, seemingly punches flied, cameras were broken and police is now involved.
So unnecessary, so unrelated to sport... how low these tv people can go?
I feel even more nauseated than i did after the race

http://lanesplitter.jalopnik.com/moto-gp-racer-involved-in-controversial-crash-assaulted-1739759100

[bwaller]

Yes the $hit show continued with that latest nonsense. This has turned into the laughing stock I was afraid it might. It's hard to understand what major sponsors will think of the negativity, and not just Repsol. Any exposure is good exposure?

I think the stars will need to align for Vale but possible? sure. Alot depends on how the rest of the paddock feels about what happened. They'll either peel off and let Rossi through or they'll make it tough.

[FunJimmy]

Yamaha understands the negative publicity that Rossi and Marquez are bringing to MotoGP and has made efforts to overcome it. Shouldn't be long before we don't have to hang our heads in shame.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewdepaula/2015/10/31/meet-the-yamaha-motobot-a-humanoid-robot-that-will-learn-to-ride-motorcycles-better-than-humans-can/

[bwaller]

They may need the robot if they let Lorenzo go!!

[Greg H]

im surprised that you think he has lost more than a realistic chance of winning the championship greg . he is still 7 points ahead and there is a couple of things in his favour , first valencia tends to favour the hondas and there is a good chance they will finish first and second meaning rossi will have to finish 6th to win . also the weather is very unpredictable this time of year a bit of rain and who knows what will happen ?   lorenzo has to go for it he has no choice but to try and win any mistake and its over . even if rossi starts from the back of the grid he will be in the top ten after the first lap or so . to me the race is very evenly balanced and to be honest could go either way the important thing is that he doesn't have to actually beat lorenzo.
marquez is even more pissed today after some italian journalists went to his house and tried to present him with a cup of sh*t for the last race [ its an italian thing ] , punches where thrown.
There's a lot in what you say Simon . I'm a big Lorenzo fan , but I know that anyone who discounts Rossi does so at their peril . I've had Lorenzo down for the title all year so I can't change my mind now can I ?  .

[simon#42]

im a big lorenzo fan as well greg and would love him to win but rossi has already won 9 world championships , you cannot write off such a class act .

[HB-1fan]

My prediction:

1- MM because he doesn't want to be blamed for any more.
2-  DP because he will just be fast.
3-  JL because the above two won't let him get away.
4-  AI because he will hopefully have a good race and a good bike.
5-  VR because if he doesn't cause a crash at the starting line, he will have to get past a lot of riders that might now be not real happy with him. This race could be his very last, so it will be interesting to say the least.
Lets see some more predictions  and keep it on the lighter side!

HB

[Rookster]

I don't see how the incident has diminished Rossi in any way other than the penalty.  If you think about it he now has an out if he doesn't win the title.  Kind of like Gary Nixon's almost win in the F750 championship.  It was lost by the bureaucracy of suits not by the racers on the track.  I still believe Rossi has a very legitimate chance to win the title.  The pressure is on Lorenzo to finish in the top 3.  Marquez could also have a go at Lorenzo to quiet the criticism that he is somehow helping 99 win the title.  The funny thing is I believe Rossi is correct about Marquez and his intentions but it has nothing to do with Lorenzo or a Spaniard winning the championship.  I believe Marquez thinks Rossi killed his title chances and he wants to return the favor. 

I have been watching MotoGP for as long as it has been on TV in the US.  I went from hating Rossi, to respecting him, to rooting for him.  The only other rider that had Rossi's talent was Casey Stoner but Stoner was a head case or a genius.  I can't decide.  The 3 Spanish aliens are all dependent on a dominant machine.  Stoner like Rossi was able to translate success across different bikes.  And he was just as smooth as Rossi.  Marquez is the opposite of smooth.  He's all over the bike and the tires are sliding and chattering.  He simply cannot sustain that style over a 10-15 year career.  My predictions:

1 - DP
2 - JL
3 - VR
DNF - MM

Scott

[simon#42]

I don't see how the incident has diminished Rossi in any way other than the penalty.  If you think about it he now has an out if he doesn't win the title.  Kind of like Gary Nixon's almost win in the F750 championship.  It was lost by the bureaucracy of suits not by the racers on the track.  I still believe Rossi has a very legitimate chance to win the title.  The pressure is on Lorenzo to finish in the top 3.  Marquez could also have a go at Lorenzo to quiet the criticism that he is somehow helping 99 win the title.  The funny thing is I believe Rossi is correct about Marquez and his intentions but it has nothing to do with Lorenzo or a Spaniard winning the championship.  I believe Marquez thinks Rossi killed his title chances and he wants to return the favor. 

I have been watching MotoGP for as long as it has been on TV in the US.  I went from hating Rossi, to respecting him, to rooting for him.  The only other rider that had Rossi's talent was Casey Stoner but Stoner was a head case or a genius.  I can't decide.  The 3 Spanish aliens are all dependent on a dominant machine.  Stoner like Rossi was able to translate success across different bikes.  And he was just as smooth as Rossi.  Marquez is the opposite of smooth.  He's all over the bike and the tires are sliding and chattering.  He simply cannot sustain that style over a 10-15 year career.  My predictions:

1 - DP
2 - JL
3 - VR
DNF - MM

Scott

that must be the first time casey has ever been described as smooth !  as for marquez i have been watching him since his days in the spanish cev championship in 2005 , he already has had a 10 year career and his style has not changed at all .

[GV1390]

Forza Vale!