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Re: Gentleman's Express 550 engine build
« Reply #175 on: March 08, 2016, 04:09:53 PM »
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Re: Gentleman's Express 550 engine build
« Reply #176 on: March 09, 2016, 09:14:26 AM »
that's terrible news about the piston jumping out of the fixture, was really looking forward to real documentation on the GE engine build.

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Re: Gentleman's Express 550 engine build
« Reply #177 on: March 09, 2016, 10:36:44 AM »
that's terrible news about the piston jumping out of the fixture, was really looking forward to real documentation on the GE engine build.

We're moving on with the build, just using some different pistons. I took them to the shop for boring the cylinders today, will then rework the pistons a little when they get back and put those results here. I don't think we'll lose any power over it, but it sure will be easier to build.
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Re: Gentleman's Express 550 engine build
« Reply #178 on: March 12, 2016, 07:21:19 PM »
OK, got moving on it again, while I'm awaiting parts on the 750K6 resto project...
We've switched to the CI 605cc pistons. They are a little over 3mm shorter, and have flat  tops, so the valve clearance won't be an issue anymore. But, like most of the CI pistons I have used, a little hand-finishing is in order.

The bottom edges of the piston skirts on these pistons are frequently as-cast rough. This will allow crud to attach well to it over time, increasing piston weight and possibly disturbing the wall-to-piston-skirt oil transfer during the downstrokes. Also, all edges on the CI pistons are usually very sharp (i.e., not "broken"), which cause stress risers and heat concentrations at those sites. With mild tuning this isn't an issue, but I clean them up anyway. To do this: hand-sand the bottom edges of the skirts, in between the slippers, and touch off the sharp edges everywhere else. DON'T sand the skirts or piston surfaces that contact the bores. I also break the sharp edges of the oil-feed holes for the wristpins, and the edges of the piston-pin holes on the outside surfaces of the piston.

The wristpin clips for the CI pistons are the fancy ones with the upright ends that allow easy removal (someday) of the clips. While handy, they are also more easily dislodged should the piston encounter a shock one day (i.e., momentary valve float, burnout-style clutch drop, big road bump...), so I don't use them on engines that will be running high RPM a lot. The original clips will stay in their grooves better, so those type will replace these, here.

Pix of the pistons, along with the original GEX piston attempt(s), and a set of CI 0.25mm 750 pistons, are included below. The picture with 4 rows of pistons includes the original CB500 pistons form this engine as well.
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Re: Gentleman's Express 550 engine build
« Reply #179 on: March 12, 2016, 07:42:40 PM »
More of the pix...
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Re: Gentleman's Express 550 engine build
« Reply #180 on: April 17, 2016, 07:30:04 PM »
Getting close to oiling it up: here's some pix of it almost done.
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It needs a nice pair of the top cam/rocker covers, as these are either sorely corroded, or broken. Anyone have a pair?
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Re: Gentleman's Express 550 engine build
« Reply #181 on: April 17, 2016, 07:48:13 PM »
HM - have you checked with Nick for the engine covers? He is parting a couple 500/550[?] motors, has a thread in the parts for sale section. 


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Re: Gentleman's Express 550 engine build
« Reply #182 on: April 17, 2016, 08:05:56 PM »
Looking good!
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Re: Gentleman's Express 550 engine build
« Reply #183 on: April 18, 2016, 07:27:29 PM »
HM - have you checked with Nick for the engine covers? He is parting a couple 500/550[?] motors, has a thread in the parts for sale section. 


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Thanks, I'll try him!
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Re: Gentleman's Express 550 engine build
« Reply #184 on: May 29, 2016, 11:09:54 PM »
Finally on the test stand. Hope to see life in it tomorrow: it got oiled up today. :)

The rusty, holey pipes are 2 from a 1978 550K and 2 from a #2 CB500, but, hey, they were cheap!
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Re: Gentleman's Express 550 engine build
« Reply #185 on: May 30, 2016, 06:20:33 AM »
So, how much power are we expecting here? This thread may ruin me. The nova racing stuff (that I previously didn't know existed) is awesome. As always, mark is a mad scientist.


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Re: Gentleman's Express 550 engine build
« Reply #186 on: May 30, 2016, 10:34:55 AM »
Looks like I'm getting two babies this month! Looking great Mark!

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Re: Gentleman's Express 550 engine build
« Reply #187 on: May 30, 2016, 09:04:53 PM »
Well, it must be pretty "brisk" inside: it blew the rusty pipes apart in about 10 minutes of run time! One of the 550 pipes broke at the muffler-header joint, one split open at the header's bend. One of the 500 pipes blew a wasp nest out, which finally 'cleared its throat' and let it rev and idle better. :D

I wonder what kind of HP this will be, too? Wish I had the whole bike, now... ;)
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Re: Gentleman's Express 550 engine build
« Reply #188 on: May 30, 2016, 09:05:35 PM »
Looks like I'm getting two babies this month! Looking great Mark!

Congratulations on the new baby boy, Cameron!
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Re: Gentleman's Express 550 engine build
« Reply #189 on: May 30, 2016, 10:38:21 PM »
Thanks Mark!  Ford Thomas Rector born 5/29/16 8lbs 3oz. Both him and mom are recovering nicely!

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Re: Gentleman's Express 550 engine build
« Reply #190 on: May 30, 2016, 11:13:50 PM »
Cameron, Congrats on your son's birth...your life is forever changed...
Mark, congrats on getting the motor running. I am interested in how the motor will dyno once in the bike and tuned appropiately.
Which cam is it using again?
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Re: Gentleman's Express 550 engine build
« Reply #191 on: May 31, 2016, 11:02:58 AM »
Thank you Raf! Expect another SOHC member here in 12 years or so!
Using the cb650 cam here, but I'll let Mark describe more.

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« Reply #192 on: May 31, 2016, 02:44:56 PM »
Thanks Mark!  Ford Thomas Rector born 5/29/16 8lbs 3oz. Both him and mom are recovering nicely!

Congrats man. I wanted to go "The Postman" on you, great movie imo. Ford alone is a cool name.


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Re: Gentleman's Express 550 engine build
« Reply #193 on: May 31, 2016, 02:58:12 PM »
Thanks Mark!  Ford Thomas Rector born 5/29/16 8lbs 3oz. Both him and mom are recovering nicely!

Congratulations! I guess his cars won't have bow ties on them!  ;)
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Re: Gentleman's Express 550 engine build
« Reply #194 on: May 31, 2016, 05:13:58 PM »
Nope cafe but his suits will be savile row! ;D

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Re: Gentleman's Express 550 engine build
« Reply #195 on: June 02, 2016, 01:57:57 PM »
Congratulations Cameron! New baby boy is just perfect for getting at those tiny parts in the 650 motor. Give him a week to get settled then start the training....you know I'm just kidding!! Exciting times for you ahead! My baby boy just turned 34, sigh!

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« Reply #196 on: June 02, 2016, 02:58:14 PM »
Thanks Kemp! I'm going to pass this bike onto him when he is older. It's got some of your parts on it too!

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Re: Gentleman's Express 550 engine build
« Reply #197 on: June 05, 2016, 01:12:36 AM »
That Ford F40 you are buying your son to pull out of mothballs when he's 22 will really be something Cam...
Should be worth about 4-500k by then with low miles. 8)
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« Reply #198 on: June 29, 2016, 11:33:08 PM »
Thank you so much for sharing this!

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Re: Gentleman's Express 550 engine build
« Reply #199 on: June 30, 2016, 12:12:45 AM »
Thanks Mark!  Ford Thomas Rector born 5/29/16 8lbs 3oz. Both him and mom are recovering nicely!

Congrats Cam... ;)
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