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Offline Denver_Larry

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Re: "Mile High" CB350 Four project
« Reply #25 on: June 10, 2016, 11:53:04 AM »
Another question regarding reassembly:

In the shop manual it mentions to install the shift drum in the neutral position, but doesn't mention what that is.  I assume you can use the second hole on the clutch side of the drum shaft as a reference, but I just don't know which way to have it.

And input on the spark plug threads?
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Re: "Mile High" CB350 Four project
« Reply #26 on: June 10, 2016, 05:02:07 PM »
Nice work so far. A couple comments on things you've brought up.

When you grind tabs off the frame, a flexible disc will maintain the radius of the tube more easily than a hard disc. A hard disc can quickly leave flat spots on the frame which are noticeable.

It seems you're going to some serious lengths to customize that machine. If you're considering power improvements, then I really recommend boring the carb throats. The carbs on the 350f are bad choke points, but can be made to flow much more air by a competent machinist. Next up for power improvements on the 350f is the head (ports and possibly larger valves) and then exhaust. Rick Denoon at DenoonSP will work magic on your carbs if you're interested.

For your spark plug threads, I wouldn't recommend a helicoil unless you can find one with a tapered final winding. Otherwise you'll have a gap in the contact between the crush washer on the spark plug and where the end of the helicoil "coil" stops. That gap can be filled by doubling up on crush washers with one larger than the other, but that's a dodgy solution. Timesert makes a good spark plug repair kit that would offer a better sealing surface.

Please post pics of the weld on your tank. I've considered doing that myself, but the cost is prohibitive. It seems a seam welder would be a great way to weld those tanks up (I think that's how the factory did them), but they aren't common.

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"Mile High" CB350 Four project
« Reply #27 on: June 10, 2016, 08:19:57 PM »
Thanks for the input, I'll get some pics of the tank posted as soon as I pick it up.


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Re: "Mile High" CB350 Four project
« Reply #28 on: June 10, 2016, 08:45:54 PM »
Damn, those Timesert kits are no joke price wise! 
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Re: "Mile High" CB350 Four project
« Reply #29 on: June 10, 2016, 10:17:39 PM »
Keensert kits should be cheaper.
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Re: "Mile High" CB350 Four project
« Reply #30 on: June 15, 2016, 02:51:40 PM »
Today was a successful day in farming out work!  Dropped off the cylinders and head at the machine shop for boring, skimming, and valve work.  Then picked up my tank from my welder guy.  I think he did a decent enough job and the price was right for the time he spent on it.  Not show quality welds but they are getting filled and smoothed anyway.
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Re: "Mile High" CB350 Four project
« Reply #31 on: June 15, 2016, 03:45:01 PM »
Was planning on lining the tank anyway since there was a decent amount of rust that I had to take care of while it was apart.  The filling and smoothing is just for cosmetics.  Any recommendations on a tank sealer?  I plan on staying away from the Kreem stuff...

Any experience with this?
http://www.caswellplating.com/epoxy-gas-tank-sealer/dragons-blood-gas-tank-sealer.html
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Re: "Mile High" CB350 Four project
« Reply #32 on: June 15, 2016, 04:13:02 PM »
Cool, I'll look for the clear stuff since I'm not to excited about a real visible coating inside.  I'm planning on just knowing off the high spots a little and then filling/priming. 
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Re: "Mile High" CB350 Four project
« Reply #33 on: June 15, 2016, 05:14:59 PM »
You might also consider taking your tank to a radiator repair shop.  They can do a leak down test and point out exactly where there might be even a tiny pin hole, if any.  I've done that with great success.  They also have a sealer for radiators that works nicely on gas tanks, too.  Kills 2 birds with one stone.
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Re: "Mile High" CB350 Four project
« Reply #34 on: June 15, 2016, 06:56:08 PM »
Thank you for the good words Larry, you were a total pleasure to work with. Still annoyed that UPS managed to pierce my double-walled box!

Project is looking awesome.
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Re: "Mile High" CB350 Four project
« Reply #35 on: July 03, 2016, 01:44:23 PM »
Decided to man up and get some polishing done.  Was thinking of having a professional handle the chores but after attacking a clip on with some heavy duty emery paper and working my way up with grit, the actual buffing stage went very easily.  These were stock CBR600RR clipons after grinding the locating nubs and casting marks off followed by some bead blasting:


One down, one to go:
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Re: "Mile High" CB350 Four project
« Reply #36 on: July 07, 2016, 04:40:00 PM »
Alright so who wants to give me the bad news and confirm them at I need to split the cases again to drop this thing in there?....  Any alternatives/tricks?
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Re: "Mile High" CB350 Four project
« Reply #37 on: July 08, 2016, 12:22:57 PM »
Alright so who wants to give me the bad news and confirm them at I need to split the cases again to drop this thing in there?....  Any alternatives/tricks?


Maybe not Larry - that kind-of looks like the business end of the cam chain tensioner. I wonder if you could install it from the top of the cylinders, with the head off?
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« Reply #38 on: July 08, 2016, 12:37:20 PM »
Oh that's for sure what it is!  I suppose that might be possible, I'll see if I can manage to get my big mitts down there...
Does anyone happen to have a picture of the inside of the case there since I will be doing it by feel?
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Re: "Mile High" CB350 Four project **SOS!**
« Reply #39 on: July 08, 2016, 01:25:32 PM »
I do not, but I bet MoMo does. Or could take one.
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Re: "Mile High" CB350 Four project **SOS!**
« Reply #40 on: July 08, 2016, 01:26:20 PM »
Hey, where'd ya get those case bolts? Is that part of a Stainless Cycle set?
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Re: "Mile High" CB350 Four project **SOS!**
« Reply #41 on: July 08, 2016, 01:29:51 PM »
Hey, where'd ya get those case bolts? Is that part of a Stainless Cycle set?
www.alloyboltz.com

Their case set was pretty complete, just didn't include oil pan bolts.  They carry ARP stuff as well.
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Re: "Mile High" CB350 Four project **SOS!**
« Reply #42 on: July 08, 2016, 02:07:20 PM »
Had to bite the bullet, there was just no way...
On the bright side I got a care package from Nils!
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Re: "Mile High" CB350 Four project
« Reply #43 on: July 08, 2016, 08:58:34 PM »
Bother. Bet you're getting good at that now. Hope you're happy with the touch ups to that cover!

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Re: "Mile High" CB350 Four project **SOS!**
« Reply #44 on: July 08, 2016, 08:59:12 PM »
Hey, where'd ya get those case bolts? Is that part of a Stainless Cycle set?
www.alloyboltz.com

Their case set was pretty complete, just didn't include oil pan bolts.  They carry ARP stuff as well.

Cool, thanks!
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Re: "Mile High" CB350 Four project
« Reply #45 on: July 08, 2016, 10:11:49 PM »
Bother. Bet you're getting good at that now. Hope you're happy with the touch ups to that cover!

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Oh for sure, I think I had it split and back together in an hour!  Didn't even need my notes for the shifter mechanism
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Re: "Mile High" CB350 Four project
« Reply #46 on: July 17, 2016, 12:05:32 PM »
Anyone have any ideas where I might find the rubber grommet that protects the generator wires?
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Re: "Mile High" CB350 Four project
« Reply #47 on: July 19, 2016, 02:54:24 PM »
Thinking about getting artistic with some black RTV unless someone knows where I can find one of these...
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Re: "Mile High" CB350 Four project
« Reply #48 on: July 19, 2016, 03:01:48 PM »
Larry,

Send a note to Bill Benton - he's got a big horde - he might have a gnarly stator he'll cut one off. Failing that, it's not really a very oily area - a few drops will accumulate in there weeping out the crank seal, but not much. You could make a little square rubber nugget 1/4 inch thick, drill it for the wire, slit it to install, and then seal it in there with the RTV. Make it sit a skosh proud so it compresses as the cover is installed.

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I have a motorcycle problem.

My build thread: NobleHops makes a 400F pretty for his wife: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=131210.0

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Re: "Mile High" CB350 Four project
« Reply #49 on: July 19, 2016, 04:27:27 PM »
Yeah that would work nice and would be easy enough to do.  Just trying to prevent any more damage the wiring/sleeve down the road is all, not too worried about the seal there.
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