Topic: something interesting

[DH]

I actually day dreamed about this idea, and wondered why it hadn't been done yet. Battery exchanges
taking the place of gas stations

. http://www.cnet.com/news/gogoro-scooters/#ftag=YHFd1c3725

[chewbacca5000]

It is a great idea, and I like how you think.  Problem is gas stations are owned by big oil and have a monopoly on what fuels can be sold.  They are really against electricity.  At the turn of the century back in the early 1900s they formed cartels and ripped out the electric trains in cities across the country and burned them.

If you want this there needs to be a public out cry to make it happen.  Big oil has lots of money and armies of lobbyist who pour money into politicians campaigns to write laws preventing competition.

Now if someone was to write a battery exchange app iand t gets rapidly adopted it could take big oil by surprise, and when they go to shut it down their would be the public out cry you seek.

 I like my CB750 and want to have gas as an option, but feel electric should be an option as too.

[chewbacca5000]

http://www.lovearth.net/gmdeliberatelydestroyed.htm

[DH]

I know next to nothing about this kind of stuff, and figured it'd be pretty complicated with a lot of other issues, and know it wouldn't happen overnight. That with battery designs being a limiting factor too. But maybe for bigger bikes? And use industry wide standardized
size/type batteries? It will have to evolve, but it does look like a good idea. I like zero emissions. It gives me hope for a better environment to leave for my grandkids.

[chewbacca5000]

Wireless charging is really trick!

I love your idea.  Battery storage is the problem imo.  You would need an automated system to store and move the batteries around and plug them into the scooter.  Essentially a battery robot which would be extremely expensive.  Think of a giant CNC machines underground the size of a 3 story building to move the batteries around.  You would need big money which means asking someone with big money.  Their money their rules.

Now here is a solution that is workable today.

This will make you feel better Check this out

They just swap the scooter vs the battery.  I like it.  I love using technology for good.

[chewbacca5000]

All good ideas Cal.  National standard would speed adoption dramatically.


I am using Scoot as an example of a good way to roll out an alternative form of transportation.  Rolling out 2,000 electric scooters in one very forward thinking city like San Francisco shows that the technology works.  People see it in action and it becomes accepted.  Wash rinse and repeat.

Put up a bunch of wireless electricity antennas overnight and you think the electric company is going to go for it?  Those wires give them complete control and they like it that way.  Got to outsmart them by not going head to head.  Out flanking is the only real option.

[chewbacca5000]

Wireless is pretty cool.  No need for a charging station or battery swaps.

[70CB750]

Cal, it is even simplier.  It starts at home with little things but it is always easier to ask the gubmint to do something than to inconvenience yourself.

My favorite pet peeve is Keurig machine - just because people are too lazy to measure coffee?

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/03/the-abominable-k-cup-coffee-pod-environment-problem/386501/



The best estimates say the Keurig pods buried in 2014 would actually circle the Earth not 10.5 times, but more than 12.

[chewbacca5000]

I like solar hot air and water as it is very efficient and inexpensive.

[70CB750]

Just an example, I see so many people dumping recycling items at the county landfill.  And there is so much more, but my point is, it starts at home, everybody has a choice.

Cal, it is even simplier.  It starts at home with little things but it is always easier to ask the gubmint to do something than to inconvenience yourself.

My favorite pet peeve is Keurig machine - just because people are too lazy to measure coffee?

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/03/the-abominable-k-cup-coffee-pod-environment-problem/386501/



The best estimates say the Keurig pods buried in 2014 would actually circle the Earth not 10.5 times, but more than 12.

Oh, Im not a fan of the Gov't and their regulations at all, 70CB, just saying if they are going to write regs, write regs that matter.

I drink espresso, not coffee so I'm innocent 

[chewbacca5000]

My house was built in the 50s and I has palster walls.  I have added 3' of insulation in the attic and that reduced energy consumption, but with plaster I don't see how I can bump things up?

[70CB750]

I always liked ICF construction, seems to make so much more sense than stick houses.

[70CB750]

AAC looks very similar to what I know from Europe.   Europe, with the higher cost of energy seems to be ahead in this area.

Getting way off topic here.


And you can cut it with a handsaw, right?

[70CB750]

Yeah, I know how it goes, similar situation.

[chewbacca5000]

Ok I think I actually got a working solution for you.  To recap we talked about robotic battery dispensers, wireless chargers, and electric scooter rental.

Now here is something that could work closer to the way you want and there is already an example in use.  You know when you go to Price Chopper or Lowes and they have a propane exchange you could do the same thing with a battery exchange.

Batteries get locked up in a box and the store gets a small cut of the action to have the storage box on site.  At the end of the day the drained batteries are collected and recharged. 

You could geek out and have a charger built in the box.  The battery would need a case that works like a dim rail so it plugs in similar to a phone, or carera battery.

Lot of potential.  Still it will only be popular in cities.  You could have bigger batteries for electric motorcycles.  Capitial cost would be low it you start with a storage box then automate latter.  You could patent the shell and make a killing, and get recurring revenue from the juice.

Hope that makes sense.  Man I am doing good saved the world and raked the leaves all before dinner.

[chewbacca5000]

Where is OP?

[chewbacca5000]

Turns out someone else in Taiwan is already doing this.  I don't even know why I waste my limited brain power.  With 7 Billion people on the planet it is nearly impossible to come up with an original idea.  Also with the change in laws from first to invent to first to file the American inventor is at a disadvantage.

Gogoro

[DH]

Ok I think I actually got a working solution for you.  To recap we talked about robotic battery dispensers, wireless chargers, and electric scooter rental.

Now here is something that could work closer to the way you want and there is already an example in use.  You know when you go to Price Chopper or Lowes and they have a propane exchange you could do the same thing with a battery exchange.

Batteries get locked up in a box and the store gets a small cut of the action to have the storage box on site.  At the end of the day the drained batteries are collected and recharged. 

You could geek out and have a charger built in the box.  The battery would need a case that works like a dim rail so it plugs in similar to a phone, or carera battery.

Lot of potential.  Still it will only be popular in cities.  You could have bigger batteries for electric motorcycles.  Capitial cost would be low it you start with a storage box then automate latter.  You could patent the shell and make a killing, and get recurring revenue from the juice.

Hope that makes sense.  Man I am doing good saved the world and raked the leaves all before dinner.

This is exactly what I thought of. But it'd only work for vehicles with small batteries. Vehicles with larger batteries could really change things tho. Stations could do full service again installing the batteries for the customer while they pay the bill and then be on their way. Just not practical yet..Man, those scooters in that vid are ugly.

[chewbacca5000]

I did not build them.  For some reason every new product has to have the modern look of an iphone or other apple product.  All smooth nothing sticking out.  You saw the charging station though?  I looks pretty user friendly like something you would use for consumer based electronics.

Not sure where your gandchildren live, but his electric scooter is really only good for big cities with no snow.  Denser the better.  That really narrows it down to places like San Fancisco.  Cities in Asia really pack people in.

[chewbacca5000]

Clothing is effected by it too. You will see numerous symmetries in all these categories occur simultaneously: autos, fashion and "gear". Embrace it. You can not stop it from revolving.

You won't see me wearing skinny jeans anytime soon.  That is where I draw the line.  No way I am going to duck tape my nuts to the side of my leg in the name of style.  My boyz need room to roam.

[RevDoc]

Oh, Chewie!...you mean we're not going to get to see you "tucked & taped" and prancing around in Pilates pants? Damn!, I was looking forward to that spectacle.

[RevDoc]

Oh, Chewie!...you mean we're not going to get to see you "tucked & taped" and prancing around in Pilates pants? Damn!, I was looking forward to that spectacle.

Can you imagine how hairy his camel toe would be!!!! Yuk! 

ROFLMFAO! Good one, Cal !

[chewbacca5000]

What works for Adam Sandler does not work for 8' tall wookies.