Author Topic: Who has done Gear shift fork repair weld? (Read 6065 times)

kranta · « **on:** November 09, 2015, 09:56:21 AM »

So who has repair welded gearshift forks? because i did brass welded mine back to specs.

flybox1 · « **Reply #1 on:** November 09, 2015, 10:02:18 AM »

A critical part. Failure there and your whole trans is fooked

I wouldn't trust anything 'repaired' down there on my bike, especially when there are many available.

kranta · « **Reply #2 on:** November 09, 2015, 10:29:42 AM »

Of course its kind a gample. But i grind the forks back to specs and checked all clearences. And everythin looks good to me.

edwardmorris · « **Reply #3 on:** November 09, 2015, 10:47:38 AM »

I'm guessing you tried the re-weld AFTER being sure that they aren't bent? Curious to see how well this works, subscribed.

70CB750 · « **Reply #4 on:** November 09, 2015, 10:55:50 AM »

Same here, better to replace it than fix it.

strynboen · « **Reply #5 on:** November 09, 2015, 11:05:35 AM »

is it goes to happent Again?..have you faund the problem why it eat the fork..is there slock/missing shims

heat make the forks even harder and more breakabel..or softer..and Wear aut farster..no good

calj737 · « **Reply #6 on:** November 09, 2015, 11:11:12 AM »

Quote from: kranta on November 09, 2015, 09:56:21 AM

So who has repair welded gearshift forks? because i did brass welded mine back to specs.

Brass welded? Im curious about this method. To my recollection, they needed to be hard welded if they were to be repaired. Brass is much softer than the metal used on the gears and will likely wear off very quickly. Then you'll have brass material flowing through the oil. Not good.

Some pictures please?

strynboen · « **Reply #7 on:** November 09, 2015, 11:14:56 AM »

i have seen gear forks brass veldet at the shaft/bushing,,by Honda..but not as a repair weld..still dont like the idea

bwaller · « **Reply #8 on:** November 09, 2015, 01:14:40 PM »

Some of the boys racing in Italy have hardwelded then re-ground them straight. Should be better than new.

kranta · « **Reply #9 on:** November 09, 2015, 09:52:45 PM »

actually i did brass soldering with torch. so its not gona then get harder if i do it with torch. and actually brass soldering is same thing like hard soldering. and i checked after i had done it that the forks are straight and good. and when i shift my gears with hands and change gears all works properly. here in finland they use this method in the jokkis race cars gearboxes. i can add some pics.

Retro Rocket · « **Reply #10 on:** November 10, 2015, 01:36:07 AM »

Quote from: 70CB750 on November 09, 2015, 10:55:50 AM

Same here, better to replace it than fix it.

+100

kranta · « **Reply #11 on:** November 10, 2015, 07:45:46 AM »

heres few photos! i put brass on spots where was some wear and then grind it. but what actually cause the wear on the forks if the forks arent bent?

70CB750 · « **Reply #12 on:** November 10, 2015, 07:52:52 AM »

Ah so! Now it makes sense. I had this vision of broken fork, brass welded together.

flybox1 · « **Reply #13 on:** November 10, 2015, 08:01:03 AM »

Quote from: 70CB750 on November 10, 2015, 07:52:52 AM

Ah so! Now it makes sense. I had this vision of broken fork, brass welded together.

+1
I thought it was a broken fork, too

Carry on. . .

kranta · « **Reply #14 on:** November 10, 2015, 08:30:38 AM »

No no no.....

it would never workd

but what cause these circular marks on the forks?

? because it would caused by worn fork(all was 0.3-06mm above the manuals specs) and works wasnt bent

flybox1 · « **Reply #15 on:** November 10, 2015, 08:33:25 AM »

A mystery how the circular wear marks would be there if the forks were not bent and the fork ends were above wear limits

kranta · « **Reply #16 on:** November 10, 2015, 10:06:21 AM »

Thats mystery. And circular marks are both sides of fork.

kranta · « **Reply #17 on:** November 10, 2015, 11:06:32 AM »

Or is that marking just normal wear because of normal gear change? Because i have checked several times the clearence of the fork to gear. And clearences are 0.5-0.8mm so works could not be bent. So is that mark caused by normal gear change?

strynboen · « **Reply #18 on:** November 10, 2015, 12:31:44 PM »

is the rotating part polished and nice
..that part vill eat the silver brass if it not are smoothed aut..have you kompensated for vear..and put ekstra material on..vories goes on how long before brass/silver is floting in the engine oil...if a hardnet shift fork is veared aut a softer brass material cant hold for long...but then had the gearboxx ran aut of oil??

przjohn · « **Reply #19 on:** November 10, 2015, 01:05:48 PM »

That's what we call "Brazing" The marks on the forks look like normal wear to me. My question would be how long is that braze going to last? It is definitely softer than the steel it replaced.

kranta · « **Reply #20 on:** November 10, 2015, 01:31:19 PM »

but if i have TIG or MIG welded that fork it could be harder but forks wear out faster because heat makes more harder and more breakable like strynboe said. maybe brass isnt so hard like steel but its more sturdy.
and if forks ran out of brass i still can use forks because they are still in the specs. but i can maybe get used forks if i could find them.

przjohn · « **Reply #21 on:** November 10, 2015, 07:22:38 PM »

Quote from: kranta on November 10, 2015, 01:31:19 PM

but if i have TIG or MIG welded that fork it could be harder but forks wear out faster because heat makes more harder and more breakable like strynboe said. maybe brass isnt so hard like steel but its more sturdy.
and if forks ran out of brass i still can use forks because they are still in the specs. but i can maybe get used forks if i could find them.

uh, no. Brass is softer than Steel.

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