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Re: Little by little... 500 is coming together - show and tell
« Reply #25 on: November 24, 2006, 03:55:30 PM »
V-e-r-y nice job there.
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Re: Little by little... 500 is coming together - show and tell
« Reply #26 on: November 25, 2006, 04:43:06 PM »
Wow..How about a restoration only Bike of the Month...month.
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Re: Little by little... 500 is coming together - show and tell
« Reply #27 on: January 19, 2007, 05:01:23 PM »
Bike is now siting in basecoat b/4 clear coating in the morning. I managed to scrounge paint FOC from a local Euro bodyshop - BASF/ R-M Diamont has proved to be a very high quality product. For the two tone kidney I stepped down to PPG Omni B/C which laid down fine. I'll be using PPG DC3000 clearcoat which is an up the line product. Substrate is 2 part Spray Max epoxy primer out of a can. So far I'm satisfied with what I've got. Camera is quite poor - paint is bright silver metallic with darker shade of same.

I'll post another pic after CC.







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Re: Little by little... 500 is coming together - show and tell
« Reply #28 on: January 19, 2007, 05:14:31 PM »
The gun on the left was $9.99 USD and the other was $14.59 - plus the $6 regulators - Harbor Freight. That little gun with a 0.6 tip is excellent.


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Re: Little by little... 500 is coming together - show and tell
« Reply #29 on: January 20, 2007, 06:35:53 AM »
Looking Good !
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Re: Little by little... 500 is coming together - show and tell
« Reply #30 on: January 20, 2007, 09:40:29 AM »
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This is my first job since a rattle can number I did during college years - a CL350. I'll write a bit more about what I learned a little later.




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Re: Little by little... 500 is coming together - show and tell
« Reply #31 on: January 20, 2007, 10:25:46 AM »


BEAUTIFUL!!!!!! :o 8)






                I've been picking up on and using Harbor Freight stuff myself, with no problems. No everything would be good to buy there but there's a variety of stuff that would be good.

                                                 Later on, Bill :) ;)
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Re: Little by little... 500 is coming together - show and tell
« Reply #32 on: January 20, 2007, 12:06:51 PM »
A few tidbits for others who may be thinking about having a go at it: :P

Materials – buy top rated name brands only and forget the rest. The saving in a DIY paint job s/b limited to the labor. The gorilla in the room is PPG – by far their name appeared most often during my research. BASF/R-M and ICI are prominent in Euro shops but elsewhere PPG is very strong among the professionals. Cheap means high risk of troubles to these guys and redos are very costly.

Single Stage (SS) or Basecoat/Clearcoat (BC/CC) (lacquer is used very little these days) system– Catalyzed single stage and clearcoat are one and the same the only difference is that one has no pigment. The two-stage method consists of shooting uncatalyzed paint that flashes off (dries) very quickly followed by catalyzed clearcoat. Capsulating the paint with clearcoat in the BC/CC system is the most popular and most expensive. The economy job at Macco or Earl Schieb is a one shot SS system.  But, make no mistake – you can get one heck of a good-looking job with SS to where you can’t tell the difference from a BC/CC job. Often the only way to tell is if color comes off in the rag when polishing. I used the popular BC/CC system as I was going for that foot deep shine.

Paint guns – HVLP (high volume, low pressure) is by far where industry has gone – less over spray, material used and air born contaminants. With a HVLP gun set at 50 lbs (HV) pressure at the gun paint comes out at about 10 lbs (LP) pressure at the tip and these guns are typically big air hogs. A full size HVLP gun with a 1.4 tip needs a real big compressor with around 14 CFM to work for any period of time – like for painting a car. But, a little HVLP gun with a small 0.6 tip will only require a little compressor with about a 3 CFM. Although a little gun would be a disaster for painting a large area like a car it’s most perfect and BETTER for painting a small area like a motorcycle. Here is why...

A small tip means BETTER ATOMIZATION where mixing of solvent, paint and air are optimal – a perfect fine mist. A better paint job on a car can be had with a 1.0 tip but it would be so slow that by the time the painter returned for next coat it would be beyond flash time (too dry). Sooooo, a compromise is made with a 1.4 tip which will shoot more material with a bigger fan shape – hence, painter can move faster. However, the atomization is not near as good with a 1.4 tip and as such the paint job is not as good as a gun with a smaller tip. So how do the pros get such a great paint job with a 1.4 tip? Easy, they work with a $600 gun that compensates.

We can get a great job with that little gun (smaller fan shape spray and small volume of paint output) because we are working with a small area and have plenty of time to get around the work piece b/4 next coat is due. So go out there and get that cheap little HVLP gun with the small tip. Worked great for both BC and CC!

For tank, headlight bucket and side covers I used EXACTLY 16 ounces of paint (after reduction) and EXACTLY 16 ounces of clearcoat (after activator mixed in). Soooo, if you buy a pint of paint and mix with typical ratio of 1:1 with reducer you will have ½ the mix left over for future whatever.

After a few days I'll wet sand and polish the work for maximum finish. More pics to follow...

Ps. I need CB500 badges for my side covers. I'm also trolling for vintage wing badges for tank - I don't know exactly what I'm looking for but I'll know it when I see it! - got any ideas? Until then I'll slap on a couple of orange colored wing stickers.    
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Re: Little by little... 500 is coming together - show and tell
« Reply #33 on: January 20, 2007, 12:59:01 PM »
Not sure you want to have a go at it? Check out these guys... here you will find some of the most tacky pimp mobiles on planet earth - candy and metal flake are the order of the day here. I'm not knocking them though as by and large these guys were very helpful and were happy someone takes an interest just like any other club types... like us. This was one of my numerous stops over the past month preparing for my own job.

Look at the elaborate work they are doing, often in a dirty garage or on the front lawn! :-\
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I sure learned a good bit here... professionals galore from painters to suppliers.
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Re: Little by little... 500 is coming together - show and tell
« Reply #34 on: January 20, 2007, 01:27:21 PM »
Custom guys use this to cut flames and such. It's great for masking the tank and comes in 12"x24' roll for $12 USD. Down side has light adhesive.

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Re: Little by little... 500 is coming together - show and tell
« Reply #35 on: January 20, 2007, 02:10:12 PM »
Why I did not use House of Color (HOK) paint. 8)

This is the paint used by lots of custom painters and is most plentiful on internet (big guys have tight control on distribution). It's well priced and an incredible variety of colors and coating are offered.

However, If you wish to paint a second color you must shoot a coat of inner clearcoat when using HOK. This inner clearcoat is a special clearcoat for in between colors and is not the same or suitable as a final top coat. Why? When using HOK paint the masking tape will pull off the 1st basecoat unless you "protect" it with the inner clearcoat. This inner clearcoat step is unnecessary with PPG, Dupont, etc.

I dropped any idea of using HOK for my little project.

   
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Re: Little by little... 500 is coming together - show and tell
« Reply #36 on: January 20, 2007, 03:45:21 PM »
What a gorgeous job! I used a $10 Harbor Freight HVLP gun with the Dondirtbiker candy paint with a .6 tip and it worked perfect. Set regulator @ 14 psi. With your gradual curve on the tank, you can split your colors with 1/4" and 1/8" pinstripe tape. You have a rainbow of choices.
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Re: Little by little... 500 is coming together - show and tell
« Reply #37 on: January 20, 2007, 03:52:35 PM »
What a gorgeous job! I used a $10 Harbor Freight HVLP gun with the Dondirtbiker candy paint with a .6 tip and it worked perfect. Set regulator @ 14 psi. With your gradual curve on the tank, you can split your colors with 1/4" and 1/8" pinstripe tape. You have a rainbow of choices.

Interesting. I laid down a black and, subsequently a white stripe where the two tones meet when tank was still in base coat. I didn't like either. I need to find someone to photochop the tank with a couple of pinstriping versions including the one you just suggested.
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Re: Little by little... 500 is coming together - show and tell
« Reply #38 on: January 20, 2007, 03:52:51 PM »
looks great!   Nice job.
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Re: Little by little... 500 is coming together - show and tell
« Reply #39 on: January 20, 2007, 04:34:55 PM »
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Good job!

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Re: Little by little... 500 is coming together - show and tell
« Reply #40 on: January 20, 2007, 04:35:59 PM »
When I did the white and gold stripes in the 550, bought wide and narrow colors for both. Laid down the white, and peeled the wide one off with the backing. Laid the gold with the narrow over the white for alignment and pressed down the wide stripe, but not the narrow one. Peeled of the narrow with the backing and they line up perfectly.
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Re: Little by little... 500 is coming together - show and tell
« Reply #41 on: January 21, 2007, 02:28:56 AM »
Very, very 8) 8)


From another whose life expectancy would plummet if he even thought about doing what you're doing, where you're doing it :o
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Re: Little by little... 500 is coming together - show and tell
« Reply #42 on: January 21, 2007, 08:26:48 AM »
From another whose life expectancy would plummet if he even thought about doing what you're doing, where you're doing it :o

Point well taken, Mate - the prospect of getting hurt weighed heavily on me too.

I stationed my work piece two feet in front of a rather powerful exhaust fan. The fan was strong enough to pull my right side cover off it's stand where upon it promply made a face plant on the floor - I'll be reworking that cover in a couple of days. In addition to 3M mask I McGuyvered a separate air line to create positive pressure in the mask when shooting the 2 part epoxy and clear. Finally, I was totally covered in protective clothing and I made the door to that room air tight.

I think I'm OK but I'm not sure about any downwind neighbors - I don't think many were lounging on patio in weather this raw. :-[

I should add that I found it remarkable how little overspray was generated by my little HVLP gun with the 0.6 tip. Most all of the spray went on the piece rather than into the air as evidenced by consumption of only 16 ounces of paint...just 16 ounces (3 coats) for each stage!
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