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Offline colvinry

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Plug chop help. 1/4 throttle.
« on: November 15, 2015, 02:08:38 PM »
78 cb750 f
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 35 slow jet
1.75 out on idle mixture screws
.016 shims on needles
120 main
Bench synced only

1/4 throttle plug chop picture attached (1 top)

Looks like I may be rich on 1. The others look a bit lean and I am having a stumble from around 1/4. What do you think? Still need to do the 1/2, 3/4 and full throttle positions


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Re: Plug chop help. 1/4 throttle.
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2015, 03:35:36 PM »
Welcome to pods tuning ;D. It's not a crapshoot, but it's certainly harder and more labor-intensive to get it right. Assuming you have gone through the 3k procedure, and you are confident your ignition timing is spot on, you need to vacuum sync the carbs properly. Then its plug chops, starting at WOT and working down. Your set-up doesn't look far off IMO, but you may find you need to go up a size on the slow jet when you get round to it.
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Re: Plug chop help. 1/4 throttle.
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2015, 03:37:57 PM »
The order of the carb tuning process is: main jet first, then needle clip position, then pilot jet and finally idle screw settings. If you do the order back to front, every new change will mess up your previous changes!
e.g. -My bike was running lean at  idle to 1/4 throttle. I changed the pilots up one size - this made it idle great but mid throttle performance was still down, so I raised the needles one notch. The mid throttle performance came good but the idle and below 1/4 throttle became RICH and I had to change the pilots back to the smaller ones - making changes in the correct order would have saved me a lot of time in getting it right.
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In my opinion only - much too much importance is always placed on vacuum syncing in here. At full throttle or any large throttle openings the sync makes NO difference what so ever. Save your energy and perform the vacuum sync only after every needle clip change or when you're up to 1/3 throttle plug chops (where syncing will actually make a small difference) 
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Re: Plug chop help. 1/4 throttle.
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2015, 04:39:50 PM »
^ +1
you need to focus on mains mixture first, but you also can make a small adjustment leaner on #1, and richer on the rest by 1/2 turn of your mixture screws in the time being.  It wont be enough to effect main jet plug chop results.
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Re: Plug chop help. 1/4 throttle.
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2015, 08:57:28 PM »
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Re: Plug chop help. 1/4 throttle.
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2015, 10:12:39 AM »
The reason I haven't completed the other plug chops is because I don't have my kill switch wired up. I need to get that working to be able to safely and correctly kill the bike at speeds. Right now I have to kill the bike with the key which is a bit dangerous. And I can't hold the throttle, pull the clutch and kill the bike.


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