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Offline bookah

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I was at the welder's getting a frame hoop and some other stuff tacked onto the frame, and I had to take the battery off obviously. When I was putting the battery back onto the bike, the positive connector made contact with the frame. Snap crackle pop...battery is fried it seems.

I threw the bike in the back of a truck and brought her home. I then connected my standard battery and I still got nothing (lights, indicators, everything is off, bike wont start). I checked my fuse box and they look (visually) fine.
I am an idiot and you cannot visually check for blown fuses. LEARN FROM ME PLEBS!

What the #$%* did I do? Where do I go from here?
« Last Edit: November 24, 2015, 11:37:18 AM by bookah »
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Re: The continual #$%*up story -- did i kill my electronics?
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2015, 04:18:01 PM »
Did you remove the rectifier?

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Re: The continual #$%*up story -- did i kill my electronics?
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2015, 04:22:11 PM »
Did you remove the rectifier?

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No. I have the reg/rec combo. Please don't tell me you think I fried that :(
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Re: The continual #$%*up story -- did i kill my electronics?
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2015, 04:26:43 PM »
At one point in my ill-advised project, I dove into the bike's wiring. It was actually pretty simple, and the inspection revealed some fried ground wire. If you fail elsewhere, maybe you'll find similar obvious problems.

Oh, and make sure you have the battery connected properly now. Not that I'd ever get that wrong  ::)

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Re: The continual #$%*up story -- did i kill my electronics?
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2015, 04:30:59 PM »
Fuses are not properly checked by eye, use your ohmmeter.

Rectifier can be damaged by hooking up the battery incorrectly.
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Re: The continual #$%*up story -- did i kill my electronics?
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2015, 04:46:40 PM »
Fuses are not properly checked by eye, use your ohmmeter.

Rectifier can be damaged by hooking up the battery incorrectly.

Ah. K. Welp, then I might have hurt the rectifier. Essentially, I had both neg and positive wires connected, was fitting my battery into place (custom tray i made) and it made contact with the sides. A few sparks from the terminal and then a popping sound. Cant get anything to light up now. I will replace the fuses tomorrow, since they're so cheap. If the thing still doesn't work..then I might cry and hope I didn't wreck the reg/rec.
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Re: The continual #$%*up story -- did i kill my electronics?
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2015, 05:34:47 PM »
Check your grounds for sure and grab a wireing schematic what year and engine dose is the alternator a permit magnet or a field coil

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Re: The continual #$%*up story -- did i kill my electronics?
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2015, 06:09:30 PM »
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Re: The continual #$%*up story -- did i kill my electronics?
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2015, 08:37:22 AM »
Odd.
If the connected battery ground wire is heavy and secure, touching the + battery terminal to ground would just make a burn mark on the frame. The bike electrics would be disconnected with key off (except the rectifier, true) and undamageable.

You have to connect a battery across the rectifier "backwards" to fry the rectifier. Shorting the battery "+" to frame does not do that.
The fuses - how could they be damaged by this? There will be no connection between the battery and the fuses with key off. Even with key on, touching "+" to the frame just drops the battery voltage (a lot) for a while. Nothing there to damage a fuse.

Look for a problem with your ground wire, an end or somewhere in the middle may have already been frayed/damaged and just burned out. A simple test would be to connect your good battery (you're sure it's good?) and turn the key on. Touch a wire to the "-" terminal and any frame bolt or clean metal spot. If the lights come on then the ground cable is bad. Since the red cable would not have been taking any of the short-out current it won't have been damaged except maybe a burned/melted spot on the battery terminal if that touched the frame.

When installing a battery, aways connect the "+" wires first. Then have it as secure as possible, hopefully fully installed and strapped in, before connecting the "-" cable. That eliminates any possibility of what happened to you. There's no risk in touching the "-" terminal or a tool tightening the battery connection to the frame.
Note that batteries can explode (spraying battery acid around) if shorted.


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Re: The continual #$%*up story -- did i kill my electronics?
« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2015, 12:04:30 PM »
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When installing a battery, aways connect the "+" wires first. Then have it as secure as possible, hopefully fully installed and strapped in, before connecting the "-" cable.

Yep and when you remove the battery, disconnect the "-" first. Easy to remember: when you mount the battery you ad something > +, when you remove something, it's > minus. Easy.
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« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2015, 12:39:28 PM »
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When installing a battery, aways connect the "+" wires first. Then have it as secure as possible, hopefully fully installed and strapped in, before connecting the "-" cable.

Yep and when you remove the battery, disconnect the "-" first. Easy to remember: when you mount the battery you ad something > +, when you remove something, it's > minus. Easy.
Or just reamer the time you welded a wrench to the exposed metal under your hood taking off the positive first and you will never do it again

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Re: The continual #$%*up story -- did i kill my electronics?
« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2015, 11:19:47 AM »
Welp, it was just blown fuses, and the antigravity battery is fine. Just shows how little I know about electronics.

I guess I just learn through mistakes.  :-[ following good advice earlier in my diagnostics
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Re: The continual #$%*up story -- did i kill my electronics? - SOLVED
« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2015, 12:10:03 PM »
Or, you could follow good advice earlier in your diagnostics  ;)

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« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2015, 01:38:57 PM »
Thanks for the report, usually we never know what it was.
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« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2015, 09:50:39 PM »
Welp, it was just blown fuses, and the antigravity battery is fine. Just shows how little I know about electronics.

I guess I just learn through mistakes.  :-[ following good advice earlier in my diagnostics

There is a upgraded fuse block that uses modern blade fuses


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Re: The continual #$%*up story -- did i kill my electronics? - SOLVED
« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2015, 05:50:44 AM »
Welp, it was just blown fuses, and the antigravity battery is fine. Just shows how little I know about electronics.

I guess I just learn through mistakes.  :-[ following good advice earlier in my diagnostics

There is a upgraded fuse block that uses modern blade fuses


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Yes there is.
http://sohc4shop.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=48&osCsid=56fe7f2e1ef4cd13ead9b29d8dc3fc98

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Re: The continual #$%*up story -- did i kill my electronics? - SOLVED
« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2015, 04:14:01 PM »
Thanks I was just to lazy to find the link

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