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Re: '76 CB750K - Very low power at low RPM, flat accelleration
« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2015, 07:33:51 PM »
And one more followup to this - I might take a look at the old jets and just use the float valves and seats.  As I am now recalling, the float valves and seats are what was in bad enough shape for me to go in and buy new ones - pretty sure I only did the whole kit together because I felt like "rebuild" seemed more of a sure bet for longevity than just replacing the one faulty piece.  As I'm gathering, I was probably wrong, so if the old jets look salvageable, I'll put those back on and just retain the gaskets and float valves/seats.


The problems with the jets from Keyster and 4into1.com (among others) have been [sad] legend here for almost 2 years, now. The needles from Keyster have been flat wrong for many years (like, 12 years or more), yet they still continue to sell them.
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Re: '76 CB750K - Very low power at low RPM, flat accelleration
« Reply #26 on: December 01, 2015, 07:41:42 PM »
You should always keep the jets and OEM needles. The jets may be different sizes so it's good to have an assortment. Like Mark says ..... you change the gaskets, seals, float valves & seats (matched). I once bought a float valve and seat for my old Kawasaki 1000 because it wouldn't stop leaking. Didn't realize at that time that I could have got a whole kit for a couple of bucks cheaper! I wasn't aware of the shady jets so that's good info. I have a few different sizes of jets from when I was experimenting that I bought at the dealer for $7 each jet. At least I know they are OEM but could have probably saved some green buying them elsewhere. If you have any used jets be aware that sometimes people drill them out when experimenting but I would think you could spot that by checking with a magnifying glass.
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Re: '76 CB750K - Very low power at low RPM, flat accelleration
« Reply #27 on: December 02, 2015, 01:36:56 PM »
jetsrus.com  or  siriusconinc.com  for jets.
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Re: '76 CB750K - Very low power at low RPM, flat accelleration
« Reply #28 on: December 02, 2015, 02:58:31 PM »
Great, thanks for the hookup on the sites for jets.

I took the whole thing apart last night and discovered a few things of note.

First off, I thankfully kept the old jets, and they look OK so I'm going to go back to those, as well as the air screws.

There were a few places that were dirty, nothing really egregious or holes obviously clogged, though the #2 carb had a lot of white residue in it.  I gave it a dip and scrubbed it all away and things are looking a lot nicer.  At any rate when I put it back together it will certainly be sparkling.

Here is the best pic I could get of the slow jet:



On the right is the aftermarket one from the kit.  Both say 40, and they look very similar, but the old one has what looks like a logo next to it.  Not sure if that's meaningful.

Here's a pic I took of two of the main jets



The aftermarket main jet looks like it has a "10" on it but the original is so mangled it's not legible.  I'll have a closer look at the other mains to see if I can get more info, with limited time to work, my focus was on just getting the things apart.  Also I need to locate my magnifying glass, the numbers are indeed rather tiny so I may not be reading it correctly.  I'm really not sure which one to use, the old ones do look like they're showing their age for sure.

Only one aftermarket slide needle was installed because the screws on one slide that I WOULD have replaced are stripped to perfect smoothness :(  For now I just cleaned off the needle in place, and since I'll be going back to the old jets, hopefully it's just happy there. I'll go back to the old needle on the one that was switched out since it looks OK.

I did find a new issue - the little strainer-filters on the float valves, image supplied so I'm sure I'm talking about the right doohickey - it's the reddish doohickey pictured here:
 
I only have two of them, neither of which were installed, I'd expect it had NONE before I got those kits and I didn't put them on in hopes of not adding variables, which, I realize now, is ironic, considering what you guys are saying about these unsanctioned rebuild kits.  Probably not great to not have those on!  So I need two more I guess.

Not sure how to get JUST the strainer-filters because the only way I see them available is included with the valve itself and seems a waste to drop 20 bucks on a whole set just to get the filter.  I've been checking sites on the 'online resource list' in the FAQ but no luck yet finding the filters just yet.  There's a vintage bike mech nearby I might give a call to and see if they can help me out.

Oh and I looked inside the tank again, two things about that.  First, it really does look clean. Second, it does have one of those long pointy filters, which also looks clean, but I can't see it all.  Pulling that out is now on my to-do list.

That's it for now.

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Re: '76 CB750K - Very low power at low RPM, flat accelleration
« Reply #29 on: December 02, 2015, 03:41:17 PM »
That older main jet looks like someone drug a file over it! I would pull all of them and def. look at em through a magnifying glass. Out of 4 jets you should be able to find a number. If between those and your new ones you don't have the size you are seeking, you will have to shell out some green but that may be what it takes to make it work.
I don't recall a kit having slow jets. I just cleaned my stock 40's and reused.
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Re: '76 CB750K - Very low power at low RPM, flat accelleration
« Reply #30 on: December 02, 2015, 06:24:42 PM »
That "old" pilot jet with the star-like logo on it is the old "K" for Keihin. The old mainjet you have shows one of the subtle, but important, differences old-to-new: the well area around the fuel hole is almost twice as big on the old jet. This prevents a sudden, short, loss of fuel during quick throttle openings. One  of the most-noticed faults with the new jets is exactly caused here: the jet needs a wider pocket here to hold a bit more fuel when transitioning, expressly, from about 3000  RPM to a big handful of throttle...now you know one of my many trivial 'secrets' about these carbs...

Most of the bikes of your era were set with #105 mainjets, so look for a "5" as the last digit. A few got #110 instead: in the K6, these were the bikes that had the K5 pistons with the F0 heads and F0 cam. They were generally considered slightly 'doggie' when compared with, say, the F0 or a "full" K6 (which had the F pistons with K5 head and K5 cam, making it 9.4:1 compression), which had #105 mainjets. The "other" K6 (K5 pistons, 1mm taller cylinders like the K5, K5 cam) came with the #105 jets, although some had "7A" carbs while others had "08[n]" carbs, where the [n] could be a 5, 6, or 7.
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Re: '76 CB750K - Very low power at low RPM, flat accelleration
« Reply #31 on: December 02, 2015, 08:13:50 PM »
Wow this post... I mean, I know HondaMan you wrote the book on this stuff, and I don't want to sound over the top but I just have to say I am continually humbled that someone with such deep knowledge on the subject is taking the time to weigh in on my issues.  Knowledge bombs dropping all over the place!  I'll do my best to hold up my end when I've got this ridiculous level of expertise on the line.

So I've found my magnifier and one of the original mains that is less banged up, looks like it has an "105" on it.



So hooray, I have a non-doggie 750.. or at very least, the mangled remnants of the jets from one ;)

Clearly I need to be using these jets, hopefully their condition isn't going to have a worse effect than the discrepancy of the opening as you described.  I guess I'll need to get myself some good mains from a reputable source.  Perhaps I should do that before putting back together but I'll admit I'm keen on seeing the effect of what I've done already.

Just wanted to follow up on the missing filters, because my leads continue to come up dry.  Is it a major issue to run the bike without the filters on the float valves?  Like, should I absolutely 100% for sure wait until I can find some before reassembling?  I'm keen on getting it back together,  but I want to do it as right as I can...  If it's a "you're going to ruin that bike" situation, I'll take the time or the expense to get it right, but if it's a "meh most people don't even have them", then I'll get to wrenching.

At any rate, I've got more parts to clean, the tank to inspect, and dinner to make, so it will have to wait for a while anyway.


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Re: '76 CB750K - Very low power at low RPM, flat accelleration
« Reply #32 on: December 02, 2015, 09:40:40 PM »
Being that you have stock air box and stock 4 to 4 exhaust I would stick with the 105's. If you look at the early 750's you will see that they came with larger mains.......I believe on up to 120. They were the pre emission years that had different cam profiles and maybe compression #'s. I'm not going into specifics because I don't know off the top of my head. If you want to take the time to research it.....the info is out there. My bike is a 75 750K which is just like your 76 but had different paint from the factory. It also came with 105's. I bought it in Wyoming in 2000 and it had stock airbox & pipes like yours except both of the muffler sections on my left pipes were rotted out and the PO wrapped some sheet metal around them with large hose clamps holding. The holes were on the bottom and inside part of the muffler so you didn't really see the patch job. let me also say that I bought an Accel coil/wire set and a Dyna 2000 ignition but I only installed the coils/ wires at first (which made a noticeable difference with cold starts).
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Re: '76 CB750K - Very low power at low RPM, flat accelleration
« Reply #33 on: December 03, 2015, 11:11:09 AM »
Wow this post... I mean, I know HondaMan you wrote the book on this stuff, and I don't want to sound over the top but I just have to say I am continually humbled that someone with such deep knowledge on the subject is taking the time to weigh in on my issues.  Knowledge bombs dropping all over the place!  I'll do my best to hold up my end when I've got this ridiculous level of expertise on the line.

So I've found my magnifier and one of the original mains that is less banged up, looks like it has an "105" on it.



So hooray, I have a non-doggie 750.. or at very least, the mangled remnants of the jets from one ;)

Clearly I need to be using these jets, hopefully their condition isn't going to have a worse effect than the discrepancy of the opening as you described.  I guess I'll need to get myself some good mains from a reputable source.  Perhaps I should do that before putting back together but I'll admit I'm keen on seeing the effect of what I've done already.

Just wanted to follow up on the missing filters, because my leads continue to come up dry.  Is it a major issue to run the bike without the filters on the float valves?  Like, should I absolutely 100% for sure wait until I can find some before reassembling?  I'm keen on getting it back together,  but I want to do it as right as I can...  If it's a "you're going to ruin that bike" situation, I'll take the time or the expense to get it right, but if it's a "meh most people don't even have them", then I'll get to wrenching.

At any rate, I've got more parts to clean, the tank to inspect, and dinner to make, so it will have to wait for a while anyway.



The jets being 'beat up' looking isn't a problem, so long as they have not been drilled out by someone. I have always found the OEM jets to flow better, mostly because the well-hole area is larger. Mikuni jets often demonstrate this trait, too.

The jet sizes changed over the years as Honda re-tuned the engine. The sandcast bikes through K0 series usually came with #120 jets and fouled sparkplugs like crazy. They dropped to #115 both with Service Bulletins and "shop notices" (and Honda reps suggesting it) by the end of the K0 series bikes, though, which helped a little bit. The earliest Old Factory K1 came with #120 at first, but these quickly became #115 when the K1-style HM300 exhaust pipes appeared (these have an extra baffle inside, compared to the old K0 pipes). Even these bikes were REAL hard on sparkplugs (mine got 800-1000 miles per set), prompting Honda to tell riders to "ride more spiritedly" in Service Bulletins to try to keep them cleaner. We had lots of lead in the gas in those days, and the D8ES sparkplugs could not clean it off, so the lead fouled them, usually in 1500 miles or so. It was a big problem!

During the early K1 New Factory bikes, Honda started using the #110 mainjets, all else being equal (#675A carbs, New Factory production), while the Old Factory bikes still got #115. While this led to the legend of "old factory bikes are faster" (some of which was true...), we still solved the plug fouling in 2 way: first, we installed #110 jets and then we drilled out the emulsifier tubes to 0.037" holes in the upper holes (which is the lower RPM ranges) to aerate a little better. This helped a lot. One of the 'unknown mysteries' about the #657A carbs is: they have brass floats that are staggered in height by 1mm. The higher one is set at 25mm from the tiny inner sliver reference post, so the other float is at 24mm. But, if you measure instead from the notch in the side of the carb body (not the inner sliver surface), you must use the more-commonly quoted 26mm height value, as those outer notches are about 1mm taller. This causes lots of confusion...

In the 657B series carbs, the idle air screw changed (lost the expensive holey tip) and the floats went to plastic. They were still staggered and adjusted as described above, but when the new-style float bowl gasket is installed, the inner sliver is buried, so the floats were referenced in the manuals to be just 26mm height from the outer notches of the carb body. These carbs started out as #110 mainjets with the new HM341 pipes and milder cam, and slower spark advance curve, all to make for a more gentle start from a stop (the early 750 starts like an in-out box instead of a smooth slip of the clutch). By about 3/72 production, the mainjets dropped to #105 size and the floats became non-staggered in adjustment, which really reduced the plug fouling issues a lot. It also dropped off a couple of HP at top speed, but the US was suffering the new 55 MPH speed limit in those days, so not many people noticed.

About this time, ND came out with the X24ES-U "Hot U" sparkplug, designed to be 1/2 step hotter (7.5) than the D8ES from NGK. At the same time, NGK was asked by Honda to help with the plug problem, and they answered with their D8ES-L plug, which is about a heatrange 7.6. The ND plug has a thinner tip, which lets more airflow around the spark, compared to the D8ES-L, so it has a slight edge in ignition performance. It's slightly hotter tip also helps keep things cleaner, by a hair, than the D8ES-L. I use these ND plugs exclusively, after 2 years of side-by-side testing done by my shop in 1973. They make a tad more midrange power and stay cleaner much longer than the NGK versions.

It seems the ideal mainjet for the engines made after 1973 turns out to be the #107.5, hard to find. It is often marked "108" for space reasons. The 105 makes the top end a bit flat at our 75-85 MPH Interstate speeds today. If you live at low altitude (below 3000 feet) you may be able to get away with the #110 mainjet, if you use midgrade gas instead of premium when riding in town. The ethanol in today's gas helps to clean off the plugs, even as it strips all the lube off the valve stems and top piston ring (but that's another topic!).

When you change cams or airbox inlets, the jet size usually needs to be modified. Sticking on 4-1 pipes of the kind we see for sale today won't change tuning, because they are so short they don't extract across the piston during cam overlap. If you get longer pipes (like the Sito 4-2 from Italy), then, yeah, you might need to jet up a little bit: I recently discovered this on a K5 I just finished resto-modding for someone. These pipes act like the old Dunstall headers, which were about as long (clear to the back of the rear wheel!), and add some noticeable top-end power.
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Re: '76 CB750K - Very low power at low RPM, flat accelleration
« Reply #34 on: December 03, 2015, 12:17:39 PM »
I can tell I'm on the "road to knowledge" when every post not only answers my questions but raises more questions and sends me on an internet search-fest.  It does seem like getting things going is just a matter of time taken (and I guess money spent) since the web holds so much info AND even the seemingly most specific questions can be answered handily here on SOHC, a valuable "tool" indeed!  An understatement for sure.

It has been a real adventure with this bike on this fix - before I posted, I was on the verge of selling it - felt like I couldn't see a path to it working well that didn't involve a mechanic and a few thousand bucks, but this one thread has gotten me back into the garage and enjoying myself again.  Even if what I'm doing doesn't fix the issues the bike is having, I've really been soaking up the experience.

So as far as updates to my issue (why not just keep on posting since nobody seems to mind), I have a few, some good news, some not as good.

First, I FOUND the strainer-filters for the float valves, yay!  Had another box of stuff lying around, it felt like they just dropped out of the sky!  They were all pretty clean, a few had a spot or two that just came off with a bit of a wipe.  What's funny is the float valves that came with the rebuild kits don't even have the little nub that the filters attach to, so for those I went back to the old ones as well.  I AM using the float vale "needles" (not sure what it's callled, the pointy bit with a springy tip) from the kit, since the old ones were really messed up with fuel gunk, couldn't be cleaned and wouldn't slide very well.  The old/new seem to marry together well enough, we'll see if they leak when I get it all back together.

The bad news is that I am 99% sure I should just get a new set of mains because the one that looked like it was filed was not the worst of the bunch!  Here's the big offender:



I'd expect that, if a slightly larger well size is going to affect mid range power, then having the thing split open like it has been hit with a hatchet is not going to do me any favors..  I'm expecting I'll need to replace at least this one.  I'll source some new ones today and check in with you guys before I pull the trigger.  Will probably spring for 4 if the price is right (though as you may be gathering from this thread, I'm being a complete cheapskate about all this!). 

I'll admit that, after your post HondaMan (I was replying initially to mrbreeze), I am a bit tempted to just throw on the 110's and try midgrade fuel, but I only have two anyway so I think I'll just start off with 'stock' as a starting point.

So yeah, sacrificing a bit of sleep I cleaned and reassembled last night, save for this last hideous main jet. 

Also I located the casting number on the carbs, they are 086A, http://www.hondachopper.com/garage/carb_specs/carb_specs.html, so yeah, my old jets seem to be the right ones, and I'll go with the 1 turn out air setting as suggested previously.

That's all I can think of for now!  Will post more as things progress.

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Re: '76 CB750K - Very low power at low RPM, flat accelleration
« Reply #35 on: December 03, 2015, 12:30:49 PM »
Gotta love those hamfisted screwdriver operators!! I don't recall having the screen filters in my float valves...I would think they were just extra insurance to keep crud out of the carbs. It would seem to me that if your tank is clean and you are using the strainer filter on the petcock there shouldn't be a problem.
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Re: '76 CB750K - Very low power at low RPM, flat accelleration
« Reply #36 on: December 03, 2015, 12:36:11 PM »
The float valves filters come with 75 750f
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Re: '76 CB750K - Very low power at low RPM, flat accelleration
« Reply #37 on: December 03, 2015, 01:01:46 PM »
The float valves filters come with 75 750f
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Re: '76 CB750K - Very low power at low RPM, flat accelleration
« Reply #38 on: December 03, 2015, 02:47:38 PM »
Hey I have been having trouble finding the main jet for my particular bike on jetsrus and siriusconinc, so I just looked them up on bikebandit and they seem reasonable for OEM (about six bucks each). 

http://www.bikebandit.com/oem-parts/1976-honda-cb750k/o/m9456#sch402223

It's item #37 at the bottom of the list - is this going to do the trick?

(it's honda part #99114-246-1050, if that helps)

Not sure but I'm feeling like just getting 4 since they're only about five bucks.

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Re: '76 CB750K - Very low power at low RPM, flat accelleration
« Reply #39 on: December 03, 2015, 02:57:04 PM »
Screw in main jets are the same dimensions
8mm length
6mm dia
4.9 thread dia

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Re: '76 CB750K - Very low power at low RPM, flat accelleration
« Reply #40 on: December 03, 2015, 03:23:58 PM »
I can tell I'm on the "road to knowledge" when every post not only answers my questions but raises more questions and sends me on an internet search-fest.  It does seem like getting things going is just a matter of time taken (and I guess money spent) since the web holds so much info AND even the seemingly most specific questions can be answered handily here on SOHC, a valuable "tool" indeed!  An understatement for sure.

It has been a real adventure with this bike on this fix - before I posted, I was on the verge of selling it - felt like I couldn't see a path to it working well that didn't involve a mechanic and a few thousand bucks, but this one thread has gotten me back into the garage and enjoying myself again.  Even if what I'm doing doesn't fix the issues the bike is having, I've really been soaking up the experience.

So as far as updates to my issue (why not just keep on posting since nobody seems to mind), I have a few, some good news, some not as good.

First, I FOUND the strainer-filters for the float valves, yay!  Had another box of stuff lying around, it felt like they just dropped out of the sky!  They were all pretty clean, a few had a spot or two that just came off with a bit of a wipe.  What's funny is the float valves that came with the rebuild kits don't even have the little nub that the filters attach to, so for those I went back to the old ones as well.  I AM using the float vale "needles" (not sure what it's callled, the pointy bit with a springy tip) from the kit, since the old ones were really messed up with fuel gunk, couldn't be cleaned and wouldn't slide very well.  The old/new seem to marry together well enough, we'll see if they leak when I get it all back together.

The bad news is that I am 99% sure I should just get a new set of mains because the one that looked like it was filed was not the worst of the bunch!  Here's the big offender:



I'd expect that, if a slightly larger well size is going to affect mid range power, then having the thing split open like it has been hit with a hatchet is not going to do me any favors..  I'm expecting I'll need to replace at least this one.  I'll source some new ones today and check in with you guys before I pull the trigger.  Will probably spring for 4 if the price is right (though as you may be gathering from this thread, I'm being a complete cheapskate about all this!). 

I'll admit that, after your post HondaMan (I was replying initially to mrbreeze), I am a bit tempted to just throw on the 110's and try midgrade fuel, but I only have two anyway so I think I'll just start off with 'stock' as a starting point.

So yeah, sacrificing a bit of sleep I cleaned and reassembled last night, save for this last hideous main jet. 

Also I located the casting number on the carbs, they are 086A, http://www.hondachopper.com/garage/carb_specs/carb_specs.html, so yeah, my old jets seem to be the right ones, and I'll go with the 1 turn out air setting as suggested previously.

That's all I can think of for now!  Will post more as things progress.


I'd use that "torn up" one, it won't hurt anything. It's when the recess around the jet metering hole is TOO SMALL that it becomes an issue. Don't pitch those jets, if you buy new ones: I'll take 'em! :)
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Re: '76 CB750K - Very low power at low RPM, flat accelleration
« Reply #41 on: December 03, 2015, 03:26:47 PM »
The float valves with the little filters on them go with the gas tanks that have no bowl strainer on the petcock. This came on the late K5 and the K6, and the F0 and those F1 bikes that still used the #7A or #087a carbs. Those carbs have a higher "ceiling" inside the area above the float valve seat, to fit those little filter screens. Those won't fit the earlier carbs, drat....
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Re: '76 CB750K - Very low power at low RPM, flat accelleration
« Reply #42 on: December 03, 2015, 03:29:42 PM »
I just checked the part # you listed at my local Honda dealer for the main jet. 105 main jet #99114-246-1050 equals $5.45 each. The dealers usually have these in stock but even if not.....they usually just make you pay up front and no charge for shipping. Do you have a dealership close by? You don't wanna get everything through the dealership but some stuff is OK. While I was in there I priced a clutch cover gasket at around $10.50 and then found one at Z1 for around $3.
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Re: '76 CB750K - Very low power at low RPM, flat accelleration
« Reply #43 on: December 03, 2015, 03:41:02 PM »
Haha sure hondaman, I would happily send them your way.. but of course if you're saying I don't need to, then heck I'll just use the old ones and be done!  I'd rather spend the cash where it'll be most effective.

And re: flybox's post - I see, genuine Honda vs original Keihin - think if I DO get new jets, I'll just go for the Keihin then, since my other jets have the Keihin logo stamped on them (and cuz why not, two more bucks for peace of mind), thanks for finding the page for me, for some reason I couldn't get there!

There is a Honda dealer nearby actually, maybe I'll give them a call and see if they keep them in stock....  Just replacing that ONE might just give me some peace of mind.. but wow five bucks, that's CRAZY TALK ;)

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Re: '76 CB750K - Very low power at low RPM, flat accelleration
« Reply #44 on: December 03, 2015, 03:54:33 PM »
just to clarify Honda oem IS Keihin...and also these same jets are used in much newer motorcycles.  I live in a small city/big town and know of 4 mc shops(2 of which are dealerships) within 25 miles that will have these jets in stock, $8 or less otd.  I understand your frugality, as I am often the same, but when working on old motorcycles, eventually your gonna have to cough up...
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Re: '76 CB750K - Very low power at low RPM, flat accelleration
« Reply #45 on: December 03, 2015, 04:05:39 PM »
Haha, I was really just kidding about the five bucks :D   I mean I AM being a cheapo, no doubt - only partially out of necessity (kids man, a good way to drain your accounts and add grey hairs) but also it's a bit of a rebound reaction at this point - when I first got the bike and started diving in, I was dropping cash left and right, just pulling the trigger on stuff and gleefully waiting for it in the mail.  But as a result, I have a box of stuff I just ordered because I felt like it, stuff that I thought would help an issue that it didn't, or stuff that just wasn't well thought out (ie my hastily chosen carb rebuild kit).

will definitely check out the dealer and see what they've got on hand

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Re: '76 CB750K - Very low power at low RPM, flat accelleration
« Reply #46 on: December 03, 2015, 05:13:35 PM »
Yep. Sometimes it's an item that needs to be OEM and is worth spending more for but like my clutch cover gasket example......you can have 3 of them from Z1 for the same cost as one from the dealer. Unless the holes didn't line up I would shop at Z1. It pays to be in the know with this stuff and take the time to compare before pulling the trigger.
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Re: '76 CB750K - Very low power at low RPM, flat accelleration
« Reply #47 on: December 04, 2015, 04:57:48 PM »
just to clarify Honda oem IS Keihin...and also these same jets are used in much newer motorcycles.  I live in a small city/big town and know of 4 mc shops(2 of which are dealerships) within 25 miles that will have these jets in stock, $8 or less otd.  I understand your frugality, as I am often the same, but when working on old motorcycles, eventually your gonna have to cough up...
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Re: '76 CB750K - Very low power at low RPM, flat accelleration
« Reply #48 on: December 05, 2015, 02:21:10 PM »
Followup on this - MY local dealer doesn't seem to meet the standard you're accustomed to - the moment I said 1976 they said "nope we'd have to order it".  If I'm going to get something ordered I may as well get it sent straight to my place!  Either way I put on the old main jet, will see how it goes.

Latest on this fix is that I've got the carbs all put back together, floats set (did them off the bike, I like this method, though it took me a while to get it rigged up, next time it'll be a breeze), and dealt with a leak from the fuel supply line into 1+2.  I tried to find just the gaskets for that t-junction but I guess they all come in sets that are for the whole carb, at 20 bucks a pop, so rather than spend 40 bucks for two pieces of rubber, I got pipe tape rated for gasoline and with a few wraps it's nice and snug, leak is gone.  Hopefully doing it like this isn't going to come back to haunt me..

When I was at the hardware store a dude walked in wearing one of those "new but looks vintage" full face helmets and wondered what he rode in on but didn't get a chance to ask.  Walked out to see a GORGEOUS, sparklingly clean maserpiece of a 550 cafe.  It was gleaming, staring at me.  It was like the universe was both rewarding me for getting off my butt and going to the HW store, AND reminding me I have a long way to go before this will ever be "done". 

At any rate, fingers crossed I hope to have it on the road tomorrow.  Still gotta wrestle the carbs on and get them balanced, and who knows what might happen (ie what overzealous monkey with a screwdriver is going to happen) to the thing between now and then..

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Re: '76 CB750K - Very low power at low RPM, flat accelleration
« Reply #49 on: December 05, 2015, 04:52:06 PM »
I managed to carve out some time in the day today, got it together and realized I still had to check the timing - it was off for 1+4, so I adjusted.

Then went to adjust 2+3 - and realized that those two plugs are not firing!

Or at least I suspect that's the issue because there is no light showing up on my timing light, only on those two leads, and the 2/3 pipes are cold.  Oh boy, poor performance because I've been on two cylinders this whole time perhaps?  I will dive into electricals FAQ and see if there are any answers for me in there.

One thing I remember when replacing the plugs is that the boot came off the lead when I pulled it off the plug - do those normally come apart?  I'd never seen the boot separate from the lead, so I just shoved them back together as securely as I could...  Of course #3 had no such issue and I gave it a bit of a tug to see if it'd come away, but it seems securely on there.  Not sure how else to check them for spark but I'll check the FAQ.

I wonder if I could just need new leads/boots, or if it's an entirely different issue.  I of course have no idea, but I would expect that if it was the coils, both 1 and 2 would be dead, (since the #1 and #2 plugs share a coil), not 2 and 3.