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Offline Raul CB750K1

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Artificial kidney for the bike.
« on: May 29, 2005, 06:09:14 AM »
As I said in my previous post, my carb bowls had sediments though the petcock filter is new. I cleaned the tank when rebuilt everything, but it seems that still some rust is peeling slowly. I only have small rust stains, like freckles, so I'm really not concerned with that.

So I thought that it can take years untill all that sediment is gone from the tank to the filter. Then I had an idea: With an electrical pump, two pieces of tube and an inline filter, it will suck all the gas, pass it through the filter and return it to the tank. You can leave it working for several hours untill all the contents has run through the pump 200 or 300 times. By moving the feed tube around the tank bottom it will clean all the sediment (like cleaning the bottom of a swimming pool).


I guess the best pump should be a peristaltic pump. If I find a cheap one I'll buy it and will post feedback.

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Re: Artificial kidney for the bike.
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2005, 06:35:18 AM »
I must be missing something here. Why don't you just hold the tank upside down and get rid of everything in the tank?
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Re: Artificial kidney for the bike.
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2005, 06:56:21 AM »
Thats a good idea but why not clean/seal the tank with one of those kits.

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« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2005, 11:05:28 AM »
Ah, it makes sense now.
Anatomy of a rust particle.  These things look like jagged little 3D puzzle pieces.  Very tiny ones break off and can fit through the screen in the early 70's Honda petcocks.  Once they make it to the carb bowls they either get sucked through the engine, if it is running, or settle to the bottom.  This is where several of these little buggers get together, interlock their puzzle bits, and look for more to join the party.  When the colony gets big enough, they become flakes.  (There's a joke lurking here some where, but nevermind that now.)  Anyway you jump on the bike, tool around and hit a bump that dislodges that rust flake at the bottom of the carb bowl.  If it's jostled over to the main jet while you're on the throttle, whosh, through the engine and out the exhaust. Ah, who cares. But, lets say the flake gets jostled over to the tiny pilot jet orifice, and can't fit through?  What if several of these flakes try to get through and wedge themselves into that tiny orifice.  Now, that cylinder gets little or no fuel when you back off the throttle at the stop sign/light/whatever.  This usually ellicits the, "What the F**K?", response, because the machine either dies or has a fraction of the power you've come to expect.  And why?  All because of a bunch of tiny flakes! 

Cleaning the carbs will correct the problem short term. 
Adding an even finer fuel filter will mask the problem until it, too, cloggs up.
Cleaning, and perhaps coating the inside of the tank, will correct the problem for several years.

It all depends on just how much you can tolerate flakes.  :D
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Offline Raul CB750K1

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Re: Artificial kidney for the bike.
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2005, 02:18:43 PM »
I cleaned my gas tank with diesel and rinsed very well. I would say that those little sediments are difficult to clean since the moment that the gas tank opening is very small. No way to wipe the inside.

If I find a cheap pump maybe I'll give it a try, but considering that a pump can cost the same as a Kreem can, I'll probably "kreem" it. But that will be in winter, now it's riding season and I don't want to waste a day. Come winter and time will come for Kreem, rising the needles, and probably replacing the chain and sprockets.

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Re: Artificial kidney for the bike.
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2005, 03:04:38 PM »
Spend $30 and a couple days working with a POR-15 kit.

Step 1 - clean out tank with Marine Clean - degreaser delux.  24 hours+ of soaking, rinse rinse rinse, dry.

Step 2 - prep with Metal Prep - acid.  45 minutes of soaking - rinse rinse rinse, dry, dry, dry, dry, DRY!

Step 3 - line with Tank Liner.  Dump, rotate, rotate, rotate, empty excess.  Cure cure cure (4 days)

Done.  Long lasting durable tank liner reputed to be more reliable than Kreem.

You could skip Step 3 if your tank isn't that bad.
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Re: Artificial kidney for the bike.
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2005, 03:14:04 PM »
Hi Raul
 I had the same problem and I bought another tank off of e-bay only to find out it was in the same shape.I did step 1 & 2 then saw that did the trick so I stopped there,just keep it filled with gasoline when it`s sitting and it`s been fine for a year now.
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Re: Artificial kidney for the bike.
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2005, 03:17:02 PM »
Likewise, I did step one and two only. The rust was light and even before starting this, and it looks brand new now. I too plan to keep it filled and take better care of it than I did..er, well I didn't take care of it at all, which is why it got in the condition it was in.  :-[
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« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2005, 03:42:25 PM »
Well, my $20  ;D Sunrise Orange tank I got off eBay looks great from the outside, but the rust inside was pretty bad.

This is my first shot at POR-15, but I did everything right.  I did the Marine Clean for 28 hours or so.  Then, rinsed it very well and got it pretty dry.  Then the Metal Prep for close to an hour.

The walls of the tank look great.  However, there is still 'rust' visible immediately below the filler hole, and all over the floor of the tank.  So, while it is likely usable with inline filters, I will be moving on to Step 3 - the POR-15 liner.  I've had it on the air compressor blowing out the moisture, and have moved on to my wife's hair dryer ;) to burn off the rest of the moisture.

I'm also going to paint on some of the liner on the lip of the filler hole.  There is rust there that I can't remove with the treatment.

Now just 4 days of curing and it can go on the bike!  Thankfully this is tank #2 so I can still ride.
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Re: Artificial kidney for the bike.
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2005, 04:04:39 PM »
My tank prior to having it sealed was pretty bad.  Very rusty inside but overall the petcock filter was clean.  I chose to have to professional done and although it cost almost 300 bucks I couldn't be happier.  I sent it to http://www.gas-tank.com/bike.htm  they blasted inside and outside of the tank and sealed the inside and bottom of the tank and sent it back nice and primed.  I had no luck finding a replacement tank on ebay for my 550F, only K tanks at the time and the petcocks are different diameter.  Anyway, it costs a few bucks but turned out great and I have no worries about rust ever now.  Makes me sleep better.
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