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Shkreli should be free to act like a complete a**hole.
« on: December 18, 2015, 09:32:28 AM »
"In a free country, Martin Shkreli should be free to act like a complete #$%*."


Simon Black, Sovereign Man Confidential

December 18, 2015

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The most hated man on the Internet was arrested yesterday.
 
If you haven’t heard this story, his name is Martin Shkreli. He’s the guy who rose to infamy a few months ago when he increased the price of a life-saving medication by over 5,000%.
 
Something tells me he’s not going to win any humanitarian awards anytime soon.
 
(Then again, Shkreli has probably killed fewer people than Nobel Peace Prize recipient Barack Obama, so there’s still hope.)
 
It started earlier this year when Shkreli, a former Wall Street stock analyst and hedge fund manager, launched his new company, Turing Pharmaceuticals.
 
His business plan for the company was simple: buy up the rights for drugs that treat rare diseases (known as ‘orphan drugs’) and hike the prices.
 
Orphan drugs typically have little competition. The diseases they treat are so rare that there’s not enough room in the marketplace for competition.
 
That de facto monopoly was an opportunity for Turing Pharmaceuticals to raise the prices and generate big profits.
 
The company made its first acquisition in August, buying the US rights to an orphan drug called Daraprim for $55 million.
 
(Cue the soothing voiceover: “Talk to your doctor to see if Daraprim is right for you…”)
 
The ink on the contract was still wet when Shkreli raised the price of Daraprim from $13.50 per pill to $750. And the outrage began almost immediately.
 
Presidential candidates from both sides chimed in, blasting Shkreli’s complete lack of sensitivity.
 
They may be right. He’s probably not a sensitive guy.
 
And frankly, raising prices by more than 50x overnight was an idiotic, short-sighted move.
 
Shkreli jacked the price up so high that he was practically begging other drug companies to start producing it for a cheaper price.
 
And that’s exactly what happened.
 
Another drug company called Imprimis Pharmaceuticals announced that they would produce a Daraprim alternative and sell it at a lower price.
 
Imprimis will effectively boot Turing Pharmaceuticals out of the market, meaning that Shkreli’s idea was totally pointless and poorly conceived.
 
Any good CEO with a modicum of wisdom, integrity, and respect for his/her customers would have picked up on that right away. So Steve Jobs he ain’t.
 
But still… Shkreli runs Turing Pharmaceuticals, which owns the rights to Daraprim.
 
And in a free country, you’re supposed to have the right do what you want with your own private property. Or choose how much to sell it for.
 
In a free country, you’re supposed to have the right to act like an idiot. Or an #$%*.
 
But that’s not what happened here.
 
Mr. Shkreli’s complete disregard for his fellow human beings and short-sighted business strategy may be disturbing.
 
But I find his summary execution to be even more disturbing.
 
After the Daraprim price hike in August, Hillary Clinton was especially aghast, promising prospective voters that she would “lay out a plan to take it on.”
 
(Biotech stocks subsequently fell 5% after her proclamation.)
 
She later demanded that government authorities investigate the Daraprim price hike.
 
61 days later Shkreli was arrested by federal agents.
 
Now, the FBI’s press release on Shkreli’s arrest lists numerous fraud allegations which make him seem like a complete scumbag.
 
(There is, of course, an inconvenient footnote buried at the bottom of the document begrudging that Shkreli is innocent until proven guilty.)
 
Most of the charges involve lying and intentionally screwing people.
 
And yeah that’s obviously bad stuff. But it’s no different than what happens on Wall Street on a daily basis.
 
They don’t go after bankers who swindle their customers out of billions. And it seems pretty clear they didn’t arrest Shkreli because of this behavior either.
 
They arrested him because they don’t like him, they don’t like what he did with Daraprim, and they want to make an example out of him.
 
This is a very dangerous precedent.
 
When they don’t like you, or what you’re doing, you become a target. And they keep digging until they find a litany of charges they can bring against you.
 
In Shkreli’s case they didn’t have to look far. He has a checkered past, and it seems to be catching up with him.
 
But the next time they want to make an example out of someone, it probably won’t be the most hated man on the Internet.
 
Imagine if it were you who ended up on the wrong side of some government list.
 
When the body of laws, codes, rules, and regulations can fill an entire football stadium, the chances of them being able to find something that you’re guilty of is… 100%.
 
So, maybe Martin Shkreli is devoid of compassion.
 
And maybe he did commit the crimes they’re accusing him of… in which case I wonder why all the other fraudsters are not being pursued with the same vigor.
 
(Many of the charges against Shkreli seem pretty flimsy… I mean, the government is charging him with misappropriating funds? Hello Kettle, I’m Pot!)
 
But it really paints the picture when you realize that a member of the political elite can merely point his/her thumb like Caesar at the Colosseum, and then gun toting federal agents come swarming in with a laundry list of charges that go back so far they barely meet the statute of limitations.
 
In a truly free country, Shkreli would be free to be a jerk, everyone else would be free to hate him, and other drug companies would be free to compete and put him out of business.
 
That’s how it’s supposed to work in the Land of the Free.
 
But that’s not what we’re seeing here. This is the stuff of banana republics.
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« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2015, 09:58:54 AM »
First they came for the scumbags, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a scumbag...
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« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2015, 10:42:48 AM »
There are lots of people that do the the pump and dump schemes that this guy is accused of.  The biggest problem is that this guy called attention to himself.  Regulators cannot research every little company that tries this crap, but he painted a giant target on himself while knowingly breaking the law.  It was like he wanted to go to jail or he is is just a giant DB.
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« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2015, 10:47:57 AM »
"In a free country, Martin Shkreli should be free to act like a complete #$%*."

In a truly free country, Shkreli would be free to be a jerk, everyone else would be free to hate him, and other drug companies would be free to compete and put him out of business.

Except for that pesky patent thing. Other companies can't produce the same drugs for cheaper, it's illegal -- until a statute of limitations runs out.

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« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2015, 10:50:14 AM »
"Land of the free".

Surely you jest my good friend.

Ghia is closer to the truth. This goober attracted all kinds of attention to himself and painted huge crosshairs on his smug mug while pulling a Ponzi scheme.
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« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2015, 12:54:13 PM »
"In a free country, Martin Shkreli should be free to act like a complete #$%*."

In a truly free country, Shkreli would be free to be a jerk, everyone else would be free to hate him, and other drug companies would be free to compete and put him out of business.

Except for that pesky patent thing. Other companies can't produce the same drugs for cheaper, it's illegal -- until a statute of limitations runs out.

These drugs are already out of patent.  They can create generics.  It's just that nobody has because the one available was at a normal price and competition was not really warranted.  Now that he jacked up the prices, others are making it, but they have to get FDA approval for the generic version. The new generics are already available in other countries.  We just have to wait a bit. 
What do you want to bet these get fast-tracked through the FDA process, too. 
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« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2015, 01:03:26 PM »
In a free country one has the right to live their life as they wish without impunity, to live a life of liberty as they see fit - SO LONG AS THEY DO NOT ENCROACH UPON THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS TO DO THE SAME.  His jacking up the price on those meds infringed on the rights of those using them to live their life as best they could.  Hang him.

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« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2015, 01:15:23 PM »
As a Pharmacist I really hate to see these things happening. Pricing is now also based on outcome and not cost of manufacture. $80,000 to $90,000 for a 2 - 3 month treatment for Hepatitis C. The insurance company "justifies" this to the insurance companies by asking them if their patient will live or how much does a liver transplant cost! Has nothing to do with the cost of manufacture. They charge more here than abroad. Plus they advertise to the fear of the patient on TV etc. A patient, my good friend as an example, may just decide he just has to have that $80,000 med even though he has the virus and may not have the active disease state. He's been fine without it all these years all the while having been a heavy drinker ion top of his otherwise acquired Hep C.  I will do whatever I can to direct a patient to a less expensive therapeutically equivalent product if it exists.

Companies are obtaining exclusive rights to older meds that actually had sold for pennies and monopolizing the fears and treatments and just fukn raping the public. Where's congress when you need them?! In other countries the government has intervened to help keep things somewhat affordable.
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« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2015, 01:27:19 PM »
I agree. I cringe every time I hear the phrase "Ask your doctor about taking ______" It's like, do you seriously think that watching a commercial is going to all of a sudden turn you into your doctor's colleague? Like you two are gunna roll up your sleeves and figure out a proper diagnosis together.
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« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2015, 02:04:15 PM »

These drugs are already out of patent.  They can create generics.  It's just that nobody has because the one available was at a normal price and competition was not really warranted.  Now that he jacked up the prices, others are making it, but they have to get FDA approval for the generic version. The new generics are already available in other countries.  We just have to wait a bit. 
What do you want to bet these get fast-tracked through the FDA process, too.

Good. I hope they (other companies) do, and I hope it does (FDA fast track).

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« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2015, 11:00:23 AM »
As a Pharmacist I really hate to see these things happening. Pricing is now also based on outcome and not cost of manufacture. $80,000 to $90,000 for a 2 - 3 month treatment for Hepatitis C. The insurance company "justifies" this to the insurance companies by asking them if their patient will live or how much does a liver transplant cost! Has nothing to do with the cost of manufacture. They charge more here than abroad. Plus they advertise to the fear of the patient on TV etc. A patient, my good friend as an example, may just decide he just has to have that $80,000 med even though he has the virus and may not have the active disease state. He's been fine without it all these years all the while having been a heavy drinker ion top of his otherwise acquired Hep C.  I will do whatever I can to direct a patient to a less expensive therapeutically equivalent product if it exists.

Companies are obtaining exclusive rights to older meds that actually had sold for pennies and monopolizing the fears and treatments and just fukn raping the public. Where's congress when you need them?! In other countries the government has intervened to help keep things somewhat affordable.

Jerry is right. We pay more for drugs than any other Country. I feel the people hav had enough and that will change.

BACK ON POINT.

This Shkreli was arrested for the frauds he committed while running his hedge funds. He was under investigation before this. He was skimming money from the drug company to keep his Ponzi scheme.

This is not the actions of a sovereign citizen, or anyone that should be held up as anything but a piece of #$%* crook.
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