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Offline Z-MO

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CB750 cafe shock advice
« on: December 16, 2015, 01:52:38 PM »
So I am building a cafe out of a 72' CB750.  I have decided to mount the battery under the seat cowl.  You can see the battery tray I added to the frame in the pic below.  I am trying to decide on a shock.  My biggest concern is, I don't want the rear tire to bite that battery tray.  Anybody build one like this?  Advice?  I was thinking about using Hagon shocks.  TIA

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Re: CB750 cafe shock advice
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2015, 02:22:00 PM »
+1 Hagons
you'll want to talk to Dave Quinn, tell him your weight, riding style, and travel distance between the wheel and tray (w/ stock shocks on)
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Re: CB750 cafe shock advice
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2015, 05:00:51 PM »
I spoke to Dave last year or so about custom shocks for my bike for the same reason. He said he couldn't do it because the Hagons weren't rebuildable and he couldn't get the factory in the UK to do it for him. I might be misquoting him but the fact remains I called him to buy shocks and the conversation ended with me not buying shocks. :|

Z-MO, if you call Dave please post here if it's a go or not. I'm fairly interested.

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Re: CB750 cafe shock advice
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2015, 05:19:44 PM »
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Re: CB750 cafe shock advice
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2015, 06:02:14 PM »
+1 Hagons
you'll want to talk to Dave Quinn, tell him your weight, riding style, and travel distance between the wheel and tray (w/ stock shocks on)

Or buy a cheap set of second hand Koni's or a new set of Ikons, Ikons are koni's, just made in Australia now instead of the Netherlands, they are fully rebuildable and are an excellent shock for a reasonable price..
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Re: CB750 cafe shock advice
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2015, 08:45:06 AM »
When you mount shocks, your rear frame rails should sit higher than they are sitting now without shocks.

Call Dave Gardner at IKON Suspension USA in San Francisco -- https://www.ikonsuspensionusa.com/contact-us/
They can custom order a set of shocks (to your weight and bike specs) that are rebuildable, too.

If you want something more premium, look into Works, Racetech or Fox.
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Re: CB750 cafe shock advice
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2015, 12:49:55 PM »
Ikons all day. The rebuildable aspect is what sold me.
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Re: CB750 cafe shock advice
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2015, 01:59:59 PM »
that's a really small cafe.

Where will everyone sit?

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Re: CB750 cafe shock advice
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2015, 04:18:01 PM »
http://www.yssusa.com/

I have some on my 550 and they work great.  Mine have adjustable preload and rebound, middle of the pack you might say.  They have top of the line with all the bells and whistles down to stock looking replacemets that wouldn't look out of place either.  They are rebuildable.
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Re: CB750 cafe shock advice
« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2015, 08:48:02 AM »
So I have been emailing with Hagon directly over the past couple of days (took that long due to being half way around the globe) and found out some info.  First they had me measure the distance between the shock mounts while the tire was just touching the battery mount tray, which came out to 285mm or 11.25".  They also said that ideally I should have at least 90mm travel between fully compressed and fully extended, putting me somewhere in the 375-390mm extended length.

Their response:
These dimensions do bring up some issues and the first one is the length!
390mm is trail bike territory and this also means longer travel (120mm) but also spring rate and how they ride is not ideal on this sort of bike.
The next problem up is the shock mount on the swing arm.
Normally our shocks can be supplied on 270mm unit’s right through to 370mm units and in 10 steps.
On this generation Honda machine the bush is often in the swing arm which of course means the shock has a fork fitting 20mm wide on the bottom… this is hitch 2!
These fork bottom shocks are only made in 290-310-335-361mm lengths.
This means anything near 390mm is going to be fabricated from scratch and consequently dearer!
 
If… you were to change the lower mount so the machine can except a more common eye top, eye lower type of shock it will create a lot more freedom and we could supply a set of shocks with adjustable damping for a cost of £226.50inc a pair.
To scratch build from the ground up a fork bottom 390mm shock would be closer to £325.00 the pair.

However, 390mm is a very long shock on any road going chassis, just have a check that when the engine is in the frame, wheels in and sprocket fitted, that the drive chain has clearance over the swing arm pivot tube.
When you go from a standard shock around 335mm right out to 370mm plus, that clearance closes up pretty quick and its worth calculating before you make your shock order! 


Looks like I am back to the drawing board.  I will check out some of the other suggestions you guys made, thanks.
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Re: CB750 cafe shock advice
« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2015, 09:30:49 AM »
A cheaper and easier option is to cut away your tail plate so the tire can raise through it more and/or make a "kickup" on the tail to allow for more clearance. What kind of seat are you planning on running? And what size battery? A small LiFe battery like a Shorai or Ballistic could help if you haven't thought about that. Anything else going under the seat? I've seen people put some electronics in the tank tunnel on the frame spine.

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Re: CB750 cafe shock advice
« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2015, 09:51:03 AM »
Here is a pic of the bike with the seat I am using.  Actually, the ballistic battery is not a bad idea.  I could mount it to the vertical face inside of the seat cowl.  Wish I'd have done my shock research before powdercoating the frame...   :-\   

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Re: CB750 cafe shock advice
« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2015, 10:12:50 AM »
Yeah, the frame looks great :(. But it looks like you have a lot of room to play with under that seat which is good.

Only thing I could see being a problem with mounting the battery on the seat is if you want to remove the seat then you'd have to disconnect the battery, which probably means longer than normal cables. I'd weld up a vertical bracket on the frame bringing the battery high up under the seat then cut out the plate to let the tire through.

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Re: CB750 cafe shock advice
« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2015, 03:17:48 PM »
Why are the forks so long...?
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