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« Reply #125 on: January 14, 2016, 08:41:11 PM »
I dont believe bikes truly sell for what I see on ebay.

Come to the dark side and cafe' all your bikes.


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« Reply #126 on: January 14, 2016, 08:43:16 PM »
I dont believe bikes truly sell for what I see on ebay.

Come to the dark side and cafe' all your bikes.



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« Reply #127 on: January 14, 2016, 08:46:59 PM »
I think that close to 90% of the cafe's i've seen are poorly built piles of #$%*, built with absolutely no knowledge of why a motorcycle is built the way it is. Its not that I don't like cafe's, i just like well built bikes, I don't see many at all in the cafe seen....
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« Reply #128 on: January 14, 2016, 08:47:24 PM »
Show us a pic of your cafe... Or any bikes you did....
 Then we can compare it to the cafes built on here..
Then we will see if its decaf...halfcaf.... Or the real dark roast.

 In other words show us something you DID...not pictures  you gleeped off the net..
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« Reply #129 on: January 14, 2016, 08:48:00 PM »
Ok here......

That's not a link to the auction or a finished auction for that matter, give me five minutes and i'll put some of those together for you...... ::)

In other words, just post the friggin pic.

You just said 550 I have a ton of them which one do you want to see?


Also scrolling through eBay again another cb360 cafe for a lot more than a stock restored one and it still has a couple days left of bidding!

All that bike says is, there is a lot of try hards wasting a pile of money on #$%* bikes..  That thing is almost worthless to anyone that knows anything about bikes, and almost any fool could build it... ::)

I am on the eBay app it won't let me link but I added another pick saying it ended since you guys are a bunch of nay Sayers.

So that's my point cafe' builds are pulling more money than stock resto's.  I am not sure why you guys are trying to make md prove a point when it is easy to hop on any site selling motorcycles and watching what each sell for.

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« Reply #130 on: January 14, 2016, 08:52:40 PM »
Ok here......

That's not a link to the auction or a finished auction for that matter, give me five minutes and i'll put some of those together for you...... ::)

In other words, just post the friggin pic.

You just said 550 I have a ton of them which one do you want to see?


Also scrolling through eBay again another cb360 cafe for a lot more than a stock restored one and it still has a couple days left of bidding!

All that bike says is, there is a lot of try hards wasting a pile of money on #$%* bikes..  That thing is almost worthless to anyone that knows anything about bikes, and almost any fool could build it... ::)
So that's my point cafe' builds are pulling more money than stock resto's.

Your bloody pictures say NOTHING about the bike...?  As for your next statement....bull#$%*, a PROPER restoration is worth, and sell for far more than a cut up pile of waste like that other thing you posted... Like i said before, there's to many fools throwing their money at #$%*, poorly built bikes, iots that simple, watch them go back to ebay in a few weeks/months, seen plenty of them whilst being a member of this site...  Seriously mate, if you think that cb350 is a great bike you need medicating   :o
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« Reply #131 on: January 14, 2016, 08:56:18 PM »
Show us a pic of your cafe... Or any bikes you did....
 Then we can compare it to the cafes built on here..
Then we will see if its decaf...halfcaf.... Or the real dark roast.

 In other words show us something you DID...not pictures  you gleeped off the net..

I don't know how this thread turned from prices of bikes to my bikes but if you really want to see what mine looks like here it is. Of course it is winter so it is partially disassembled I finished machining my spacers for the dual rotor hub I picked up. I also made a new cowl which is just fresh fiberglass as of right now.
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« Reply #132 on: January 14, 2016, 09:00:21 PM »
Looks better from what I see than some of them 360,s..
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« Reply #133 on: January 14, 2016, 09:01:59 PM »
Ok here......

That's not a link to the auction or a finished auction for that matter, give me five minutes and i'll put some of those together for you...... ::)

In other words, just post the friggin pic.

You just said 550 I have a ton of them which one do you want to see?


Also scrolling through eBay again another cb360 cafe for a lot more than a stock restored one and it still has a couple days left of bidding!

All that bike says is, there is a lot of try hards wasting a pile of money on #$%* bikes..  That thing is almost worthless to anyone that knows anything about bikes, and almost any fool could build it... ::)
So that's my point cafe' builds are pulling more money than stock resto's.

Your bloody pictures say NOTHING about the bike...?  As for your next statement....bull#$%*, a PROPER restoration is worth, and sell for far more than a cut up pile of waste like that other thing you posted... Like i said before, there's to many fools throwing their money at #$%*, poorly built bikes, iots that simple, watch them go back to ebay in a few weeks/months, seen plenty of them whilst being a member of this site...  Seriously mate, if you think that cb350 is a great bike you need medicating   :o


You are proving my point, people spend more money on cafe builds whether it be half assed or all out awesome. Who cares if they spent money on that bike it just says they are worth more than a stock,resto ,or whatever.

The picture says the bidding has ended at a price of 3650 I'm not sure how hard that is to understand.


You guys can argue all you want it still doesn't change the price of cafe and stock builds.
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« Reply #134 on: January 14, 2016, 09:08:03 PM »
Looks better from what I see than some of them 360,s..

Those aren't mine so I don't take credit I don't even mess with twins my whole body goes numb from riding those things. Good starter bike though.

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« Reply #135 on: January 14, 2016, 11:58:56 PM »
The picture says the bidding has ended at a price of 3650 I'm not sure how hard that is to understand.


Seems you are the one failing to understand, its a picture, it says absolutely nothing about the bike, the only one saying its a full resto is you. Info like, whats new on it, how many miles has it done, is it running,  paint, tires, original parts, how many owners, paper work, title, there is not one shred of information bar your story about #$%*ty cafe's being worth more than a proper resto, which I still say is rubbish...
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« Reply #136 on: January 15, 2016, 05:19:41 AM »
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« Reply #137 on: January 15, 2016, 05:36:10 AM »
 Speaking of "originality"...

The green 550K is pending. I've had offers on the 550F, but I'm pretty firm at my price. I think a detailed eBay ad with lots and lots of pics could possibly bring MORE than the asking price. I've been watching these models for years. The mileage, story, condition, Lester's, etc.....it's very fairly priced, IMO.

 Original tool kit is there, as well as owners manual.



 Original decals and warning stickers are still there.



One of the sexiest headers ever (second only to the 400F maybe?)




 Tank is spotless inside, as is the entire fuel system. New Honda 5.5mm fuel line, new Honda petcock ($100 for this model), carbs cleaned and synced.




 The engine (and entire bike) was detailed just enough to remove any oxidation, grime, surface rust, etc. The objective here was preservation rather than restoration.



 That's a NOS cover I'm holding. I polished the other covers to match the same amount of sheen....not overly polished.



 The engine is stock except for a Pamco ignition and a UNI filter in the stock air box. I did the full 3,000 mile tune up and it's been religiously maintained since I've owned it.

 There are minor scratches on the tank where the P.O.'s father dropped something on it in the garage, and a small dent on the muffler.





   Fork oil was changed, the caliper rebuilt (also genuine Honda parts) and braided hoses installed. EBC pads and shoes. Less than 3,000 miles on the tires and they're still like new.
 The bike isn't perfect, as it IS a survivor and not a restoration. But it's original, has a known history since new, and presents very, very well. Gets attention everywhere I go. I don't have to sell it. I'm looking for it's next custodian and am hoping to find someone that appreciates it for what it is and will care for it like I have.

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« Reply #138 on: January 15, 2016, 05:52:50 AM »
Damn Scott, that's beautiful. Who ever buys that bike will be super happy.

I agree that a resto would sell for more than a cafe unless it's from one of those "big time" builders. I heard Kott built a bike for Lance Armstrong. Doubt it was less than $5000.

I think what Retro is saying is there's a difference between a real resto and just some dude selling a stock bike because they don't want it anymore. And I've sold things on eBay before. Many times the auction ends and the people don't pay up. So just because it ends doesn't mean it sold for that much.

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« Reply #139 on: January 15, 2016, 06:01:44 AM »

And I've sold things on eBay before. Many times the auction ends and the people don't pay up. So just because it ends doesn't mean it sold for that much.

This is the point I wanted Turbo to know, I've heard this multiple times now.   Just because you see it on the internet doesn't mean it's real!
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« Reply #140 on: January 15, 2016, 06:18:43 AM »
And can we please stop calling bikes with clubman bars café racers?
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« Reply #141 on: January 15, 2016, 07:39:48 AM »
I have been following this thread for a few days and I see all points from every side.

That being said, I agree with Turbo. These "Café" bikes built by "Hollywood" builders are selling for more than correctly restored stock bikes. I don't believe his point is that they are better in anyway, its just what the market is paying. And by market, hipsters with money are spending money on rat cafes.

At the end of the day, just because it sold on ebay for $XXXX doesn't mean the buyer followed through with the purchase. SO ultimately, these numbers and figures are not accurate.

I find it easier to sell a "custom" bike rather than a stock bike.

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« Reply #142 on: January 15, 2016, 08:21:13 AM »
Very nice bikes Scott...to the right buyer $4K or less (without the Lester's) gets you a great bike and a solid investment. There will always be a decent market for these originals. Ten years from now you won't get these for $4K.

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« Reply #143 on: January 15, 2016, 10:09:40 AM »

And I've sold things on eBay before. Many times the auction ends and the people don't pay up. So just because it ends doesn't mean it sold for that much.

This is the point I wanted Turbo to know, I've heard this multiple times now.   Just because you see it on the internet doesn't mean it's real!

I have sold on eBay this doesn't happen very often. It has never happened to me you guys are just making up things to just say you are right.

I have sold plenty of bikes and the cafe's sell faster and for more money. I don't even think of doing a restoration on a bike since it will be an automatic loss of profit.


It's all a market game the resto's and low mileage barn finds are nice but it is only to those who care which is very few. The masses want a sweet looking cafe, brat, or whatever they see on TV.

Vintage bikes are a niche not many people like them the way they are. This forum brings in all the hardcore vintage collectors so I can see why there is a lot of backlash.
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« Reply #144 on: January 15, 2016, 10:23:15 AM »
Agreed. This is reality.

The majority of buyers want whats "hot" right now. They do tend to pay more than the collectors buying stock/restos

The few (collectors) want stock, NOS resto's, etc.
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« Reply #145 on: January 15, 2016, 10:30:11 AM »
Agreed. This is reality.

The majority of buyers want whats "hot" right now.

The few (collectors) want stock, NOS resto's, etc.

Eventually the cafe scene will fade out and resto's and originals will take the money but In Ohio the cafe scene is just getting started. All the cb's on craigslist with a good price get swiped within 24hrs.

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« Reply #146 on: January 15, 2016, 11:14:22 AM »
Agreed. This is reality.

The majority of buyers want whats "hot" right now.

The few (collectors) want stock, NOS resto's, etc.
In Ohio the cafe scene is just getting started.

This was my point. markets differ - you can't make blanket statements about trends because our country is simply too large.  What's hot in OH is not necessarily hot everywhere else.  And I shall hold my tongue.
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« Reply #147 on: January 15, 2016, 11:25:09 AM »
 I think it might be neat if there's a "members only" forum....maybe for members with a minimum post count...and we can post actual numbers for bikes and parts that are bought and sold. Sort of a private area that shows "real world" values for bikes, Lester's, vintage or rare parts, etc.
 That would be a neat field guide of what's actually going on in our hobby.
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« Reply #148 on: January 15, 2016, 12:04:16 PM »
And I've sold things on eBay before. Many times the auction ends and the people don't pay up. So just because it ends doesn't mean it sold for that much.

I have sold on eBay this doesn't happen very often. It has never happened to me you guys are just making up things to just say you are right.

Haven't sold a bike on eBay but I've sold bike parts and other random things. The auction ending without a buyer happened quite a few times so I switched to a fixed price and just let it ride. Maybe it just doesn't happen to higher priced items...or maybe people just have a hit out on me and want to ruin my auctions.

I shouldn't have said "many times"..."quite a few times" is probably better.

Vintage bikes are a niche not many people like them the way they are. This forum brings in all the hardcore vintage collectors so I can see why there is a lot of backlash.

This is my bike, far from restored. I like restored bikes too, but I'm a cafe guy...got a sweet jacket and everything.


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« Reply #149 on: January 15, 2016, 12:37:46 PM »
Agreed. This is reality.

The majority of buyers want whats "hot" right now.

The few (collectors) want stock, NOS resto's, etc.

Eventually the cafe scene will fade out and resto's and originals will take the money but In Ohio the cafe scene is just getting started. All the cb's on craigslist with a good price get swiped within 24hrs.

We aren't too far from eachother. Lets swap some projects!!
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