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Re: Primary chains question/research
« Reply #25 on: January 08, 2016, 07:24:46 AM »
Can someone measure thickness of outside plate
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Re: Primary chains question/research
« Reply #26 on: January 11, 2016, 01:50:17 PM »
Hi guys, I'm doing a overhaul on the engine, and is looking for best primary and cam chains.
From what I've been reading Classic cycle city's primary chain is the best chain money can buy. And for the cam chain it seems that camellia chain is the best.
How do they compare to the ones by cycle x chains?

And also looking for best primary and cam tensioners. Any help, advice and opinions are appreciated!
Thank you in advance!!

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Re: Primary chains question/research
« Reply #27 on: January 12, 2016, 03:01:59 AM »
Interesting stuff guys!
My primarys were already stretched a lot (75k engine) before I installed the turbo and 836cc kit.
So quite noisy... but I did not want to be ripped by the Germans.

If there's a reasonable priced alternative, that would be awesome!  ;)
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Re: Primary chains question/research
« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2016, 08:27:30 AM »
By that swag 30 93 99 62 chain and shorten it for 4 links. That's HD chain
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Re: Primary chains question/research
« Reply #29 on: January 12, 2016, 09:41:01 AM »
Quote from: MessnerMoto on January 12, 2016, 08:27:30 AM
By that swag 30 93 99 62 chain and shorten it for 4 links. That's HD chain
Any 100% safe way to rivet it? No kinks nor opening chain ending up in a catastrophe.

I bought a really good gold riveted drive chain for half price. Only one thing, I had to buy a riveting tool for much more than the discount since the chain have solid links. I broke a cheap tool not able to rivet solid links. Whale tool the thing to use and extra setup of master link.
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Re: Primary chains question/research
« Reply #30 on: January 12, 2016, 03:56:32 PM »
Why not just ask the chain manufacturer to join it.... ;)
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Re: Primary chains question/research
« Reply #31 on: January 13, 2016, 01:00:15 AM »

But shop for roller chains can do that for you...
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Re: Primary chains question/research
« Reply #32 on: January 13, 2016, 04:50:40 AM »
I'll compare my reinforced chains from Classic Cycle City with my Whale tool when opening the engine. If it match the tool can punch the rivet if having an extra pin. I guess the pin must be grinded to get it out?
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Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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Re: Primary chains question/research
« Reply #33 on: January 13, 2016, 05:36:35 AM »
No need to grind a pin. It will go out with hammering. Also you want to reuse one pin so you can't grind that one. Search for more videos of how to shorten endless chain.

Can you measure plate thicknesses on your HD chain. Inner plate should be 1.8mm thick. Other I am guessing 1.6mm?
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Re: Primary chains question/research
« Reply #34 on: January 13, 2016, 12:09:12 PM »
I'll open the engine next month when I have all parts needed.
I'm currently waiting for primary drive hub that has got new rubbers inside.

About chains. My drive chain DC530MZX-G was PITA to shorten and rivet. Really tough and hard. HD prim chains might be easier.
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CB750 K2-75 Parts assembled to a stock K2

Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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Re: Primary chains question/research
« Reply #35 on: January 13, 2016, 05:03:23 PM »
Any one got a reply for me? I have read a lot about classic cycle city chain but there is not much info on Cycle X HD primary chain with cryo treatment.

So which is better?
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Re: Primary chains question/research
« Reply #36 on: January 13, 2016, 05:14:28 PM »
Quote from: cb750k2JP on January 13, 2016, 05:03:23 PM
Any one got a reply for me? I have read a lot about classic cycle city chain but there is not much info on Cycle X HD primary chain with cryo treatment.

So which is better?

I'm extremely happy with my CCC HD chains, they will go in a big HP SOHC engine and I'm as anal retentive as you can get... CCC has specs and testing on their chains, its quite impressive, can't comment on the CycleX chains as I don't have any.
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Re: Primary chains question/research
« Reply #37 on: January 14, 2016, 12:34:28 AM »
Quote from: cb750k2JP on January 13, 2016, 05:03:23 PM
Any one got a reply for me? I have read a lot about classic cycle city chain but there is not much info on Cycle X HD primary chain with cryo treatment.

So which is better?
There is a post  about CCC vs CycleX chains. http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=130017.0
Attached CCC chain catalog that explain the chains and less sag from the very begininng

I can verify the less sag with CCC chains. Less rattle in engine as ever before. Soon even better with new rubbers in prim hub
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CB750 K6-76  970cc (Earlier 1005cc JMR Billet block on the shelf waiting for a comeback)
CB750 K2-75 Parts assembled to a stock K2

Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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Re: Primary chains question/research
« Reply #38 on: January 14, 2016, 02:03:37 AM »
Will repeat myself.

This are not some special designed chains. These are both(CCC and CycleX) automotive industry standard chain G68HPF­2.

The difference between CCC and CycleX is in manufacturer.

CCC is IWIS chain. http://www.ebay.de/itm/Steuerkette-SWAG-30-93-9962-/161555573484?hash=item259d766aec:g:XxAAAOSwmrlUsOv-&clk_rvr_id=966433941219&rmvSB=true
CycleX is FEBI BILSTEIN chain http://www.ebay.de/itm/FEBI-BILSTEIN-Steuerkette-links-/371440456153?hash=item567b9391d9:g:QMIAAOSw37tV-G4y   

CCC chain has no holes on bushings. Part number with closest number of links is SWAG 30 93 9962
CycleX has holes and it is cheaper to make. Part number is FEBI BILSTEIN 39962

This two chains have 72 links. You need to shorten them to 68links. Can be done with basic tools.

They cost around 50$ Can be found for 40$


This chains are used by every car manufacturer like timing chains.

IWIS chain is better because bushings are seamless. And it is a little bit more expensive because of that.

 
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Re: Primary chains question/research
« Reply #39 on: January 14, 2016, 02:49:10 AM »
Quote from: MessnerMoto on January 14, 2016, 02:03:37 AM
Will repeat myself.

This are not some special designed chains. These are both(CCC and CycleX) automotive industry standard chain G68HPF­2.

The difference between CCC and CycleX is in manufacturer.

CCC is IWIS chain. http://www.ebay.de/itm/Steuerkette-SWAG-30-93-9962-/161555573484?hash=item259d766aec:g:XxAAAOSwmrlUsOv-&clk_rvr_id=966433941219&rmvSB=true
CycleX is FEBI BILSTEIN chain http://www.ebay.de/itm/FEBI-BILSTEIN-Steuerkette-links-/371440456153?hash=item567b9391d9:g:QMIAAOSw37tV-G4y   

CCC chain has no holes on bushings. Part number with closest number of links is SWAG 30 93 9962
CycleX has holes and it is cheaper to make. Part number is FEBI BILSTEIN 39962

This two chains have 72 links. You need to shorten them to 68links. Can be done with basic tools.

They cost around 50$ Can be found for 40$


This chains are used by every car manufacturer like timing chains.

IWIS chain is better because bushings are seamless. And it is a little bit more expensive because of that.

Yes, I already knew most of that.... ;D ;)    Have you managed to find a good cam chain...?   

PS, how stupid can one get..!!! My father in law owns an Audi dealership, looks like i'll be making a phone call in the morning... ;D
« Last Edit: January 14, 2016, 02:59:49 AM by Retro Rocket »
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Re: Primary chains question/research
« Reply #40 on: January 14, 2016, 03:09:18 AM »
Quote from: Retro Rocket on January 14, 2016, 02:49:10 AM
Quote from: MessnerMoto on January 14, 2016, 02:03:37 AM
Will repeat myself.

This are not some special designed chains. These are both(CCC and CycleX) automotive industry standard chain G68HPF­2.

The difference between CCC and CycleX is in manufacturer.

CCC is IWIS chain. http://www.ebay.de/itm/Steuerkette-SWAG-30-93-9962-/161555573484?hash=item259d766aec:g:XxAAAOSwmrlUsOv-&clk_rvr_id=966433941219&rmvSB=true
CycleX is FEBI BILSTEIN chain http://www.ebay.de/itm/FEBI-BILSTEIN-Steuerkette-links-/371440456153?hash=item567b9391d9:g:QMIAAOSw37tV-G4y   

CCC chain has no holes on bushings. Part number with closest number of links is SWAG 30 93 9962
CycleX has holes and it is cheaper to make. Part number is FEBI BILSTEIN 39962

This two chains have 72 links. You need to shorten them to 68links. Can be done with basic tools.

They cost around 50$ Can be found for 40$


This chains are used by every car manufacturer like timing chains.

IWIS chain is better because bushings are seamless. And it is a little bit more expensive because of that.

Yes, I already knew most of that.... ;D ;)    Have you managed to find a good cam chain...?   

PS, how stupid can one get..!!! My father in law owns an Audi dealership, looks like i'll be making a phone call in the morning... ;D

You will get them even cheaper ;)
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Re: Primary chains question/research
« Reply #41 on: January 14, 2016, 03:13:04 AM »
I'll find out tomorrow... ;)
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Re: Primary chains question/research
« Reply #42 on: January 14, 2016, 03:13:57 AM »
Only one thing, Audi and their cam chains has a very bad reputation when they stretch relatively early and replacement cost like a half used car..... It would be fine with something better. Honda CB750 prim chains are much worse, right?
This chain is an upgrade for audi?
Edit: problem with audi chains might be how they are used with tensioners and sensors and oil change not in time
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CB750 K2-75 Parts assembled to a stock K2

Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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Re: Primary chains question/research
« Reply #43 on: January 14, 2016, 03:28:07 AM »
This chains are not only used in Audis. I mean CCC and CycleX are marketing this chains to be several times better(stretching over covered distance)
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« Reply #44 on: January 14, 2016, 05:03:24 AM »
These chains are supposed to be pre stretched. MessnerMoto, it may be an idea to talk to someone at Swag Iwis and see what they recommend, there may be better chains , or stronger chains in the same pitch.... ;)  If they were any where near me I'd be calling them... ;)
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« Reply #45 on: January 14, 2016, 05:38:19 AM »
Already did that. Min order for custom length IWIS chain is 4k euros :)

All IWIS chains are pre stretched see picture below :)
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Re: Primary chains question/research
« Reply #46 on: January 14, 2016, 05:48:10 AM »

Quote from: MessnerMoto on January 14, 2016, 05:38:19 AM
Already did that. Min order for custom length IWIS chain is 4k euros :)

All IWIS chains are pre stretched see picture below :)

Hi Can I order a set from you now and have Them sendt directly to Denmark from germany ? Then I Can save the import tax from the US and have lower freight cost

By the Way super research job you done



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Re: Primary chains question/research
« Reply #47 on: January 14, 2016, 05:51:58 AM »
Quote from: MessnerMoto on January 14, 2016, 05:38:19 AM
Already did that. Min order for custom length IWIS chain is 4k euros :)

All IWIS chains are pre stretched see picture below :)

Can we find out in which vehicle it is used, and just order an Audi timing chain instead? It will probably be long enough for 2...
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« Reply #48 on: January 14, 2016, 05:54:28 AM »
AUDI chain number SWAG-30-93-9962 It has 72 links. You need 68. So shorten it. Also order 2 chains because cb750 needs 2 ;)  read the post :)

German eBay... http://www.ebay.de/itm/Steuerkette-SWAG-30-93-9962-/161555573484?hash=item259d766aec:g:XxAAAOSwmrlUsOv-&clk_rvr_id=966433941219&rmvSB=true
And for 45eu german website http://www.teilehaber.de/swag-steuerkette-links-id66685940.html

But call Audi/VW dealer in Denmark and ask for  SWAG-30-93-9962 probably it will be cheaper 
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Re: Primary chains question/research
« Reply #49 on: January 14, 2016, 06:02:59 AM »
Quote from: MessnerMoto on January 14, 2016, 05:54:28 AM
AUDI chain number SWAG-30-93-9962 It has 72 links. You need 68. So shorten it. Also order 2 chains because cb750 needs 2 ;)  read the post :)

German eBay... http://www.ebay.de/itm/Steuerkette-SWAG-30-93-9962-/161555573484?hash=item259d766aec:g:XxAAAOSwmrlUsOv-&clk_rvr_id=966433941219&rmvSB=true
And for 45eu german website http://www.teilehaber.de/swag-steuerkette-links-id66685940.html

But call Audi/VW dealer in Denmark and ask for  SWAG-30-93-9962 probably it will be cheaper 

Sorry, lol I couldnt find it when googling. Thought it was from the chain manufacturer. :p
Thanks a lot!!!
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