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Re: 1974 Honda CB550 Build. "BlacSOHC"
« Reply #350 on: December 14, 2016, 09:04:54 PM »
Another mini update...

I have been in communication with RaceTech and am going to get my bike down to their shop in the next week or so to get a custom spring made with adjustable spring, dampening and ride-height.  I will officially have more into the suspension than I purchased the bike for... This this should (better) ride nice!  8)

I am not a conventional note taker... this is what I wrote down while talking with RaceTech  ???

If you can't fix it with a hammer, it's an electrical problem... If it's an electrical problem, it's Cal's problem.

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*2014 BMW S1000RR (sold)
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Re: 1974 Honda CB550 Build. "BlacSOHC"
« Reply #351 on: December 14, 2016, 10:33:27 PM »
another mini update!

I'm still pleasantly surprised by the quality of every piece I get from Cognito =)


« Last Edit: December 14, 2016, 10:45:46 PM by blacSOHC »
If you can't fix it with a hammer, it's an electrical problem... If it's an electrical problem, it's Cal's problem.

*2005 Yamaha R6 (sold)
*2014 Ducati Streetfighter 848 (sold)
*2014 BMW S1000RR (sold)
*2010 Ducati Streetfighter S
*1978 CB550 Restomod Build
*1974 CB550 Monoshock build
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Re: 1974 Honda CB550 Build. "BlacSOHC"
« Reply #352 on: December 19, 2016, 07:33:19 AM »
Interesting note!  And yes, CM parts are very high quality and priced accordingly...
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Re: 1974 Honda CB550 Build. "BlacSOHC"
« Reply #353 on: December 19, 2016, 09:30:17 AM »
Definitely.  I've never been disappointed with any parts Devin/Cognitomoto produces.  All very high quality.  I got something cool in the works right now!
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Re: 1974 Honda CB550 Build. "BlacSOHC"
« Reply #354 on: January 03, 2017, 11:35:24 AM »
PROGRESS (but only a little)

My girlfriends family got me a Miller Digital Elite welding helmet for Christmas, this thing is awesome.  It has something called Xmode, which detects not only the welding arc, but the presence of electromagnetic energy and will darken, so basically even when you aren't directly looking into the arc, it will work properly.  Lots of settings and buttons im still figuring out, but its working great so far!



Back to the bike...

I got the new triple tree mocked up on the bike, looks awesome on there, but I noticed it doesnt sit as low on my bike, well I guess it is the same just more noticeable. which got me thinking, Is my top race for my tapered bearing down all the way? I think i got it all the way down but am not sure.  Anyone else have All Balls on their Cb550?




On to the frame/rearsets...

I finally took care of the tubing where I cut the subframe off.  Using some 1" tubing I shaped and filled the holes. I also got the file out any made all the waviness disappear (my back still hurts).





I saved my passenger peg mounts and found a way to get them to use them for the rearset mounts.. I think it looks cool in a "factory but different" way.  Ill get pics uploaded once I get them tacked up!

How she sits now!  I just have to get some more Chromoly tubing to remake the subframe supports and some flat stock for the mono-shock mounts then I drop it off at RaceTech for them to make me a custom spring!



Questions (because I always have a million):

1: Is my top race all the way down into the stem?
2: On the rearsets, is there a 'line' I need to get them lined up with, or is just "parallel" with the frame with a straight shot forward to the shifter area etc good enough?
« Last Edit: January 03, 2017, 11:45:56 AM by blacSOHC »
If you can't fix it with a hammer, it's an electrical problem... If it's an electrical problem, it's Cal's problem.

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*2014 BMW S1000RR (sold)
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*1978 CB550 Restomod Build
*1974 CB550 Monoshock build
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Re: 1974 Honda CB550 Build. "BlacSOHC"
« Reply #355 on: January 03, 2017, 11:52:52 AM »
Nice patchwork!
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1975 CB550F1 frame/CB650 engine hybrid "The Hot Mess" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,150220.0.html)
2008 Triumph Thruxton (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,190956.0.html)
2014 MV Agusta Brutale Dragster 800
2015 Yamaha FZ-09 (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,186861.0.html)

"There are some things nobody needs in this world, and a bright-red, hunch-back, warp-speed 900cc cafe racer is one of them — but I want one anyway, and on some days I actually believe I need one.... Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba." Hunter S. Thompson, Song of the Sausage Creature, Cycle World, March 1995.  (http://www.latexnet.org/~csmith/sausage.html and https://magazine.cycleworld.com/article/1995/3/1/song-of-the-sausage-creature)

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Re: 1974 Honda CB550 Build. "BlacSOHC"
« Reply #356 on: January 03, 2017, 12:00:40 PM »
Nice patchwork!

Thanks!  I am really getting excited because the overall shape of the bike is starting to come together!
If you can't fix it with a hammer, it's an electrical problem... If it's an electrical problem, it's Cal's problem.

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*2014 Ducati Streetfighter 848 (sold)
*2014 BMW S1000RR (sold)
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Re: 1974 Honda CB550. Monoshock. "BLAC"
« Reply #357 on: January 03, 2017, 01:00:37 PM »
Your top race looks a little bit high, but they do sit proud of the tube ever so slightly it seems. Mine was not quite that much above when last I installed them.

I have the same Miller helmet, it is very nice  ;) Looks like you already spent some time "personalizing" it  8)

I don't see a picture regarding your rear set/foot peg positioning. If asking solely for information purposes, align the outboard face of the peg with the outboard edge of the tubing. That will allow you a straighter shot with whatever shift rod you will use. Worst case, you can buy an offset shift arm to install on the splined shaft. Fast From the Past sells various components for rear set customizations.
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Re: 1974 Honda CB550. Monoshock. "BLAC"
« Reply #358 on: January 03, 2017, 02:50:13 PM »
Your top race looks a little bit high, but they do sit proud of the tube ever so slightly it seems. Mine was not quite that much above when last I installed them.


I don't see a picture regarding your rear set/foot peg positioning. If asking solely for information purposes, align the outboard face of the peg with the outboard edge of the tubing. That will allow you a straighter shot with whatever shift rod you will use. Worst case, you can buy an offset shift arm to install on the splined shaft. Fast From the Past sells various components for rear set customizations.

Bah, not sure what happened to the pic of the rear set, I'll snap another one when I get back to my shop.

Regarding the top race, I'll do a little more investigating and see if there is room to move it down but I think the cb550's sit up pretty high like that :/  at least in the research I have done online.  I will get a bright light in there to see if there is any room also.  The good thing is I have room for plenty of threads due to the slimmer profile of the cognito piece.

Thanks for your thoughts and feedback, I honestly would not have bought this bike or started this project if it wasn't for this forum  ;D
If you can't fix it with a hammer, it's an electrical problem... If it's an electrical problem, it's Cal's problem.

*2005 Yamaha R6 (sold)
*2014 Ducati Streetfighter 848 (sold)
*2014 BMW S1000RR (sold)
*2010 Ducati Streetfighter S
*1978 CB550 Restomod Build
*1974 CB550 Monoshock build
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Re: 1974 Honda CB550. Monoshock. "BLAC"
« Reply #359 on: January 04, 2017, 04:25:36 PM »
I can take a look at mine but it's gonna probably be Saturday before I can do it and get you a picture.
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Re: 1974 Honda CB550. Monoshock. "BLAC"
« Reply #360 on: January 04, 2017, 06:36:30 PM »
I can take a look at mine but it's gonna probably be Saturday before I can do it and get you a picture.

The top race? No hurry, I shined a light down there and it is fully seated without room to go down.. i think that's just how they are.  Thanks though!
If you can't fix it with a hammer, it's an electrical problem... If it's an electrical problem, it's Cal's problem.

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Re: 1974 Honda CB550. Monoshock. "BLAC"
« Reply #361 on: January 04, 2017, 06:45:04 PM »
I'm now in the habit of measuring the pocket and the race, just to take the guesswork out.

Are you painting this frame as opposed to powdercoat? I ask because if powder is the plan you ought to leave the races out for now.
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« Reply #362 on: January 04, 2017, 06:55:30 PM »
I'm now in the habit of measuring the pocket and the race, just to take the guesswork out.

Are you painting this frame as opposed to powdercoat? I ask because if powder is the plan you ought to leave the races out for now.

That's a great call on the measuring!

Yes I will be powdercoating.  I assumed that I could mask off the ends of the stem and be alright?  Are you suggesting that I should bang them back out before I powdercoat?  I haven't done a frame before but I assumed I would either have to mask that area off to keep the powdercoat off of that area to make room for the race or mask it off to keep it off of the race itself..?
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Re: 1974 Honda CB550. Monoshock. "BLAC"
« Reply #363 on: January 04, 2017, 07:19:47 PM »
I'm now in the habit of measuring the pocket and the race, just to take the guesswork out.

Are you painting this frame as opposed to powdercoat? I ask because if powder is the plan you ought to leave the races out for now.

That's a great call on the measuring!

Yes I will be powdercoating.  I assumed that I could mask off the ends of the stem and be alright?  Are you suggesting that I should bang them back out before I powdercoat?  I haven't done a frame before but I assumed I would either have to mask that area off to keep the powdercoat off of that area to make room for the race or mask it off to keep it off of the race itself..?

They like them bare. They're going to degrease then blast that thing with AOX or steel shot, then they're going to pre bake at 400f or so to make any embedded oils outgas. Then spray with powder, then bake. Anything that can trap or hold oil or grease should be removed and any bearing surfaces are in harms way. IMO.

Ask your powdercoater. They all have their preferences.
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Re: 1974 Honda CB550. Monoshock. "BLAC"
« Reply #364 on: January 04, 2017, 11:51:41 PM »
Yep, that makes a lot of sense. Hopefully they come out nice and easy and don't get beat up to the point I have to buy a new set  :'(
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Re: 1974 Honda CB550. Monoshock. "BLAC"
« Reply #365 on: January 05, 2017, 02:53:46 AM »
Yep, that makes a lot of sense. Hopefully they come out nice and easy and don't get beat up to the point I have to buy a new set  :'(

If you didn't grease them and the neck is clean they may say "NBD" and mask as you say. Ask them before you fish them out if you find they don't tap out easily.
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Re: 1974 Honda CB550. Monoshock. "BLAC"
« Reply #366 on: January 05, 2017, 02:59:47 AM »
And if you do tap them out, use a brass drift from the "other end" of the neck to drive them. Also, many shops will either tape off or blast over your VIN tag. Best to drill out the rivets and reinstall afterwards. If they're a decent shop, then they can powder over your engraved VIN # without fear of making it unreadable. It (VIN #) transmits through most powder coats.
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« Reply #367 on: January 05, 2017, 09:57:46 AM »
Thanks, I was also curious about that.  I will be sure to take lots of photos of the process so if anything ever comes up I can at least point to some photographs of these areas (if that would do any good I'm not sure, but I can hope).


Speaking of powder coat and prep, I have recently been going over the frame with a medium file to smooth out the areas where I have welded or cut off any tabs. I am not an experienced metal worker but this has had good results so far.  Are there any other methods of frame/metal finishing that will help get it smooth for powder coat?
If you can't fix it with a hammer, it's an electrical problem... If it's an electrical problem, it's Cal's problem.

*2005 Yamaha R6 (sold)
*2014 Ducati Streetfighter 848 (sold)
*2014 BMW S1000RR (sold)
*2010 Ducati Streetfighter S
*1978 CB550 Restomod Build
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Re: 1974 Honda CB550. Monoshock. "BLAC"
« Reply #368 on: January 05, 2017, 10:48:57 AM »
I like using a flap wheel on a 4.5" grinder. Works very well. Keep it moving.


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« Reply #369 on: January 05, 2017, 10:50:51 AM »
I like using a flap wheel on a 4.5" grinder. Works very well. Keep it moving.
^^^ This. If you happen to have an air compressor and angle grinder, 2" Rolocs with Green ScothBrite discs do a very nice cleanup after filing too.
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Re: 1974 Honda CB550. Monoshock. "BLAC"
« Reply #370 on: January 05, 2017, 11:18:02 AM »
Sounds good, i got a bunch of different color pads for Christmas also so it sounds like I'm headed in the right direction!

thanks again everyone!
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*2014 Ducati Streetfighter 848 (sold)
*2014 BMW S1000RR (sold)
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Re: 1974 Honda CB550. Monoshock. "BLAC"
« Reply #371 on: January 05, 2017, 11:57:02 AM »
Sounds good, i got a bunch of different color pads for Christmas

Santa must have received your wish list.
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2008 Triumph Thruxton (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,190956.0.html)
2014 MV Agusta Brutale Dragster 800
2015 Yamaha FZ-09 (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,186861.0.html)

"There are some things nobody needs in this world, and a bright-red, hunch-back, warp-speed 900cc cafe racer is one of them — but I want one anyway, and on some days I actually believe I need one.... Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba." Hunter S. Thompson, Song of the Sausage Creature, Cycle World, March 1995.  (http://www.latexnet.org/~csmith/sausage.html and https://magazine.cycleworld.com/article/1995/3/1/song-of-the-sausage-creature)

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1973 CB750K2 "Bionic Mongrel" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=132734.0) - Sold
1977 CB750K7 "Nine Lives" Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=50490.0) - Sold
2005 RVT1000RR RC51-SP2 "El Diablo" - Sold
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Re: 1974 Honda CB550. Monoshock. "BLAC"
« Reply #372 on: January 05, 2017, 12:15:01 PM »
Im lucky that my GF's dad is a big time gear head.  He is INSANELY knowledgable, has the tools and knowhow to use them, too.. He did a lot of the shopping this year haha

take a look at this Cameo he is building himself  :o


If you can't fix it with a hammer, it's an electrical problem... If it's an electrical problem, it's Cal's problem.

*2005 Yamaha R6 (sold)
*2014 Ducati Streetfighter 848 (sold)
*2014 BMW S1000RR (sold)
*2010 Ducati Streetfighter S
*1978 CB550 Restomod Build
*1974 CB550 Monoshock build
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« Reply #373 on: January 05, 2017, 12:40:37 PM »
Im lucky that my GF's dad is a big time gear head.  He is INSANELY knowledgable, has the tools and knowhow to use them, too.. He did a lot of the shopping this year haha

take a look at this Cameo he is building himself  :o




Those are some massive "meats" on that truck.
1975 CB550K1 "Blue" Stockish Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=135005.0)
1975 CB550F1 frame/CB650 engine hybrid "The Hot Mess" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,150220.0.html)
2008 Triumph Thruxton (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,190956.0.html)
2014 MV Agusta Brutale Dragster 800
2015 Yamaha FZ-09 (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,186861.0.html)

"There are some things nobody needs in this world, and a bright-red, hunch-back, warp-speed 900cc cafe racer is one of them — but I want one anyway, and on some days I actually believe I need one.... Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba." Hunter S. Thompson, Song of the Sausage Creature, Cycle World, March 1995.  (http://www.latexnet.org/~csmith/sausage.html and https://magazine.cycleworld.com/article/1995/3/1/song-of-the-sausage-creature)

Sold/Emeritus
1973 CB750K2 "Bionic Mongrel" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=132734.0) - Sold
1977 CB750K7 "Nine Lives" Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=50490.0) - Sold
2005 RVT1000RR RC51-SP2 "El Diablo" - Sold
2016+ Triumph Thruxton 1200 R (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,170198.0.html) - Sold

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Re: 1974 Honda CB550. Monoshock. "BLAC"
« Reply #374 on: January 05, 2017, 01:11:27 PM »
Yep, he is going to drive it for a while naturally aspirated at 600hp then put the blower on it...  :-X
If you can't fix it with a hammer, it's an electrical problem... If it's an electrical problem, it's Cal's problem.

*2005 Yamaha R6 (sold)
*2014 Ducati Streetfighter 848 (sold)
*2014 BMW S1000RR (sold)
*2010 Ducati Streetfighter S
*1978 CB550 Restomod Build
*1974 CB550 Monoshock build
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