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Offline Jerry Rxman Griffin aka MuthaF'er

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Shaking down my wiring issues on my new parts bike 75/76 CB750F #2. Background: Using (trying to) my original harness. I previously had a voltage drop that ran down my battery with my Dyna III, 3 ohm coils and halogen bulb. Used a new harness and new bullet connectors when I rebuilt CB750F #1 and then the drop disappeared with 3ohm coils, halogen and a Dyna 2000. So at least the original harness is suspect. It has some funky #$%* going on in addition to this and will be replaced.

Anyway, one of the easier problems is the headlight isn't working. No high, low or high indicator light. I do not think this is the harness. I've traced out that individual circuit apart from the entire schematic in order to check voltages from beginning to headlight. The HL power seems to begin in the main BLACK line in the front junction box and continue up through the right control. Voltage at the connector box is ~13.5. Coming back FROM the RIGHT CONTROL the black/red has no voltage back at the connector box. SUSPECT! It has one of those fragile brittle plastic boxed starter buttons that was cracked. I tried a 'fix'. Squeezed it together and slathered epoxy over it to try to hold it together. One can only hope haha. All hope is now gone. Worth a try perhaps.....

Looks like I need to start with a new right side control. Easy enough. Honda likes theirs for over a Benjamin. Researching I am finding a replacement on VintageCB750.com for $70. It is originally intended for a 73 - 75 750K. They say it will work on the 75/76 CB750F and the 76 K.  AND it has the headlight on/off switch. Both switches show a BK and BK/WH to the red kill switch, the F has BK/R to HL interrupter sharing a BK power with the starter circuit.

OK, here goes. I see the separate on/off HL switch needing it's own separate power. It has the BK/R just as the F switch does that goes through the fuse box and back to the HL. The 'replacement also has a BR/W wire to the HL kill that the F does not have. This is represented on the schematic as TL1 ie tail light. Tail lights are always hot with the key on as far as I know AND there just so happens to be a spare BR connector independent of the tail lights in the HL bucket which shows to be HOT on the schematic.

Anyone still following me? By utilizing the spare BR in the HL bucket for power to the extra BR/W to the HL kill switch which the F does NOT have this would bypass the HL interrupt and provide a true HL kill switch.... A little jumper and it's done???  Maybe??

Thoughts, proofs, denials. etc welcome, hoped for and expected please. Please shake me down. I need to BE SURE that spare brown will supply power to the brown/white and the power flows in the appropriate direction from the spare brown through the switch TO the headlight.           

[/b]Now for all those that will inevitably say why?, please don't. I know there is that headlight safety factor and a good one at that but.... another option for a less expensive starter button for under $100 AND a battery saver in case you like the many of us have the need to conserve a few volts to make it home when the charging system goes south. 

Bar Switch Assembly ~ Right (Brake) Side - Black.

 Replaces OEM#35300-341-671.

 Fits: Honda CB750K (1973-75)

 PLUS- Also, fits the models below but the original switches for these bikes below did not include the OFF/ON switch on the side like this switch does.

 Fits: Honda CB750K (1976),
 CB750F (1975-76)
 Part #: 12-0301

THEY say it will 'fit' but I still need for them to tell me the pigtail is long enough.
As of today 3/13/2012 my original owner 75 CB750F has made it through 3 wives, er EX-wives. Free at last.  ;-)

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Jerry, I just did similar on my bike, so I know it can be done...unfortunately, it did take me a couple long sessions  of head scratching to figure it all out, and after all the confusion I really can't remember exactly what I did or what made it so confusing.  The key is to have wiring diagrams for both years, and when you understand them both, you will understand how to combine them.
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Guys, thanks for the replies so far. I questioned VintageCB750.com about wiring colors and harness LENGTH this time. "Sorry we don't have anything that will work as the length of the 73-75 K harness is only 24" also". Not sure if I was a PITA and they bailed on me or it is actually 24" also  :) HOWEVER if it is only 24" then their listing is inaccurate. Rather than fukn with it only to return it due to their inaccuracy I ordered a Honda brand from Partszilla.com for $97.50 shipped and 'in stock'.

I'd sure love to sell more for VintageCB750 by finding a reasonable work around but...... I also don't wish to misinform members or play the return game. Yamiya750.com lists one also for $70. They interchange between the 400F, 550F and 750F and their's shows the Japanese version with different markings for the headlight switch so I didn't go there either. Sigh.........  I tried and really wanted to make this happen.

If anyone has a 73-75K right switch just laying around how about measuring the length of the harness. If it's close to 36" I may just go ahead and bite the bullet for our crew! Also curious as to the make up of the starter button. Little plastic housing? A spare never hurts!!
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pretty sure the length is plenty long no matter what...or are you really planning on running ape hangers on that F?
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No apes but it has to feed through the bars, around the top triple and the steering head, around back and into the junction box. Perhaps they don't want to be bothered and are blowing me off?!
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oh yeah..a restoration...I would have already ground a slot in the switch pod and ran the wiring straight into the bucket
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Jerry, did you ever get this figured out? I know how to use an early switch with a late harness now.
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,158975.75.html
« Last Edit: July 14, 2016, 10:44:16 AM by scottly »
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 I'm chasing a similar problem on a 76 400F. I put a new right control on my 77, made it all stock and moved the aftermarket push to start button and headlight bucket mounted toggle to my 76 400F. the problem is I didn't notice where the harness was jumpered.
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If the new harness is really too short but otherwise works electrically, simply splice in / solder and shrink tube some wire of the same gauge (but any color) IN THE MIDDLE of the harness to add length.  Adding the wire in the middle preserves the wire color/stripe at the end and makes reconnecting things easier.   And it helps a future owner so that he does not need to reverse engineer what was done.

  I'd keep that harness and add wire . . . .

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 My headlight burned out on high and low. It worked when I tested it before. No wonder I can't figure out the jumper wire.  lol.
 
 This bike has a toggle switch in the ground wire of the headlight located in the top of the headlight bucket to allow the headlight to be turned off. A low beam indicator light would be helpful too.

 I borrowed a headlight from another bike, and jumpered brown to black in the headlight bucket, everything works but nothing is going through the headlight fuse. I'd love to find a correct 76 400F diagram that shows all 4 fuses.
 
  Could you use the old switch wires and a few new crimp connectors to make an extension harness? The colors might even match.
« Last Edit: July 16, 2016, 01:08:28 PM by Don R »
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