Topic: 1970 Triumph Tiger 650

[grcamna2]

I would want to get in with a borescope, and see what the area around the pinholes looks like from the inside.
likely does not matter much when you line it, but myself, I would use the liner only if I could not fix the holes..

Frank,
Have you had bad experiences with tank liners? I used to have tanks lined w/ RedKote quite often(I hate rust in carbs.) and the man at the radiator shop who did it told me that to have them completely prepped/'dry as a bone' is very important.

[754]

 I have not run one since late 70,s.. which I did to a new chopper tank.
I almost made a deal on a painted 750 tank that was lined 2 yrs back, but I did not see the sense of trading a good tank that was not lined, for part payment of a lined one.
 Once in a while on here, folks get a bad liner that needs removing, and it is a lot of work.. hate to have it happen 1500 miles from home..
 So like I said, I would try welding or soldering first.. and I bought a borescope just for checking tanks.. I really would rather get a view of the inside situation before planning a solution..

[Powderman]

The difference between liners like Kreem and others from 10-20 years ago and todays liners are light-years apart. The new Caswell liner is a 2 part epoxy that you can put right over the rust, in fact it "actually prefers to bond to a rough rusty surface" as opposed to Kreem and the others that they want you go through several cleaning stages to keep it from failing. It's these cleaning steps that are the reason most often that the sealer fails due to not being done correctly or extensively.

Here's what Caswell says about their product:

Phenol Novolac Epoxies are a new breed of chemical resistant materials, able to withstand permanent immersion of many harsh solvents, fuels and oils. This Epoxy has much better bond strength than single component products, with strengths of up to 3000 PSI, and this higher strength reduces the need for a clinically clean surface, as the epoxy actually prefers to bond to a rough rusty surface. Our new phenol novolac is more thixotropic, which means it 'hangs' on the tank walls during the coating process. This gives a thicker overall coating. There is more volume of material in the kit to allow for this.


I agree, there is nothing pleasant above removing an old failed liner. if a customer brings me a tank to powder coat it gets handed right back to them until THEY have the liner removed.

[MoMo]

thanks for the Caswell info PM

[grcamna2]

thanks for the Caswell info PM

 

[Powderman]

So I finally decided to go with a 2000 TT600 rear caliper set up based on certain criteria, axle size, caliper clocking, ease of mounting method, and price. I found one of these for $18 with caliper and bracket and line. But it had worn out rusty pads and the bracket was painted black. I then found this one for $22.84 with good EBC pads with a "Make Offer" option. I offered them the $18 and they agreed. This helps save money that will need to be used in making the rotor carrier.

[grcamna2]

The prices on Ebay sure have dropped.. Nice deal 

[Powderman]

The prices on Ebay sure have dropped.. Nice deal 

The next best deal on these rotors was more than double for one than what I paid for the pair. We did the deal outside of Ebay.
While the listing said "some of the chrome is wearing off" I see some slight rust at a couple of buttons, but nothing major. But knowing I'm going to powder coat them usually has me looking for something that is not pristine.

[grcamna2]

The prices on Ebay sure have dropped.. Nice deal 

The next best deal on these rotors was more than double for one than what I paid for the pair. We did the deal outside of Ebay.
While the listing said "some of the chrome is wearing off" I see some slight rust at a couple of buttons, but nothing major. But knowing I'm going to powder coat them usually has me looking for something that is not pristine.

I think if the rotors aren't warped and(buttons) good condition you scored. 

[Powderman]

A little sumthin sumthin everyday. Got the master cylinder/exhuast/passenger peg mount finished in 1/4" steel plate today. Once powder coated it will look like a factory piece.






I need to pull the lever off the pedal and bend it 90° so the brake rod clears the frame.

[754]

Steel?  3 x the weight of aluminum ,keep doing that the benefit of the light wheels will be lost...

[scottly]

Is the Norton tank in as poor condition as the Triumph tank?

[Powderman]

Steel?  3 x the weight of aluminum ,keep doing that the benefit of the light wheels will be lost...

The factory plate was steel and that was what I had lying around, it added a few ounces of weight by making it a tad wider at the bottom. Many waste time and energy trying to save 1-2lbs of eight on a bike. No one wins a race by 1-2lbs.

Scottly, the Norton tank is fiberglass and in good shape. No way will it see use on the Triumph though.

[grcamna2]

Steel?  3 x the weight of aluminum ,keep doing that the benefit of the light wheels will be lost...

The factory plate was steel and that was what I had lying around, it added a few ounces of weight by making it a tad wider at the bottom. Many waste time and energy trying to save 1-2lbs of eight on a bike. No one wins a race by 1-2lbs.

Scottly, the Norton tank is fiberglass and in good shape. No way will it see use on the Triumph though.

I had a customer who had a Mint 750 Commando and we had the tank lined(it was getting pieces in the carbs.)w/ fiberglass Gel-coat at a boat place;can you use Caswell for fiberglass ?

[Powderman]

Steel?  3 x the weight of aluminum ,keep doing that the benefit of the light wheels will be lost...

The factory plate was steel and that was what I had lying around, it added a few ounces of weight by making it a tad wider at the bottom. Many waste time and energy trying to save 1-2lbs of eight on a bike. No one wins a race by 1-2lbs.

Scottly, the Norton tank is fiberglass and in good shape. No way will it see use on the Triumph though.

I had a customer who had a Mint 750 Commando and we had the tank lined(it was getting pieces in the carbs.)w/ fiberglass Gel-coat at a boat place;can you use Caswell for fiberglass ?

Yes.

[Powderman]

I got my Ducati rotors in today and they are in much better shape than I was expecting. I like the open design of the carrier so much more of the Kimtab shows through it. At 320mm they are within 3 mm of being too big and hitting the fender brackets. I would have preferred smaller rotors, but the at $60 a pair shipped I couldn't pass them up.

[Stev-o]

Looks great PM!

[Retro Rocket]

Looks great PM!

+1 

[grcamna2]

Dual 320mm discs on a Triumph 650  now That's a good extra safety margin w/ one finger on the lever 

[MoMo]

very nice look at a great price.  Should be able to stop on a dime and give nine cents change

[Powderman]

Well the Triumph TT600 rotor is the perfect size, unfortunately the caliper and bracket were designed for a mono shock bike and interferes with the shock and spokes on this set up. So I went to the spare brake parts box and found this Grimeca caliper, 2 piston opposed, and should be adequate for the rear of this bike.

Triumph parts just not cooperating:



The Grimeca will work nicely once I figure out the fore and aft adjustment for chain stretch:

[grcamna2]

Powderman,What color is that gold?  Nice
You'll probably have the best stopping vintage Triumph twin anywhere when you're finished.

[Powderman]

The wheel color is powder called "Original Sun Gold" with a clear coat over it.

[grcamna2]

The wheel color is powder called "Original Sun Gold" with a clear coat over it.

I like that deep luster gold PC.

[Powderman]

I use it a lot as a base for Candy Red.