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Re: 1970 Triumph Tiger 650
« Reply #325 on: October 28, 2016, 10:17:17 PM »
PM,do a video when you start it  :)
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Re: 1970 Triumph Tiger 650
« Reply #326 on: October 29, 2016, 07:48:25 AM »
PM,do a video when you start it  :)
I plan to. There are others on other forums who don't think it will ever run. I'll do an"in your face" video, hopefully of a one kick start.

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Re: 1970 Triumph Tiger 650
« Reply #327 on: October 29, 2016, 08:08:17 AM »
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I always wanted to ask about your avatar,what bike is that ?
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Re: 1970 Triumph Tiger 650
« Reply #328 on: October 29, 2016, 08:45:51 AM »
PM,
I always wanted to ask about your avatar,what bike is that ?

It's a 1962 Sportster XLCH converted do XRTT using Sputhe heads. I have a build thread here somewhere, but can't seem to find it at the moment. 1327cc, 331lbs dry.















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Re: 1970 Triumph Tiger 650
« Reply #329 on: October 29, 2016, 09:07:00 AM »
Very nice HD PM.  Awesome indeed...Larry

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Re: 1970 Triumph Tiger 650
« Reply #330 on: October 29, 2016, 09:18:49 AM »
Someone hasn't been riding their Harley enough..  ::)

I like it better than a Buell  :)
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Re: 1970 Triumph Tiger 650
« Reply #331 on: October 29, 2016, 09:26:12 AM »
Someone hasn't been riding their Harley enough..  ::)

I like it better than a Buell  :)

True dat.   
Someone hasn't been riding their Harley enough..  ::)

I like it better than a Buell  :)

True dat. I assume you are referring to the rotor coating.

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Re: 1970 Triumph Tiger 650
« Reply #332 on: October 29, 2016, 09:55:24 AM »
Someone hasn't been riding their Harley enough..  ::)

I like it better than a Buell  :)

True dat.   
Someone hasn't been riding their Harley enough..  ::)

I like it better than a Buell  :)

True dat. I assume you are referring to the rotor coating.

Plus the tire is low from sitting?
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Re: 1970 Triumph Tiger 650
« Reply #333 on: October 29, 2016, 11:41:45 AM »
Someone hasn't been riding their Harley enough..  ::)

I like it better than a Buell  :)

True dat.   
Someone hasn't been riding their Harley enough..  ::)

I like it better than a Buell  :)

True dat. I assume you are referring to the rotor coating.

Plus the tire is low from sitting?

Tubeless tire on a modified tube rim. I was finally able to air it up, but for safety I will end up putting a tube in it.

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Re: 1970 Triumph Tiger 650
« Reply #334 on: October 29, 2016, 12:10:34 PM »
PM,do a video when you start it  :)
I plan to. There are others on other forums who don't think it will ever run. I'll do an"in your face" video, hopefully of a one kick start.

Who are these nay-sayers? Whoever heard of a British bike refusing to start?

Humph. They know nothing. You show 'em, Powderman!

(And if it don't start first kick, just delete that video and post the one that shows it working properly  ;D)
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Re: 1970 Triumph Tiger 650
« Reply #335 on: October 29, 2016, 12:11:58 PM »
What kind of rpm/powerband do you get out of that 'old school'  8) XLCH sportster engine ?
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Re: 1970 Triumph Tiger 650
« Reply #336 on: October 29, 2016, 12:25:24 PM »
PM,do a video when you start it  :)
I plan to. There are others on other forums who don't think it will ever run. I'll do an"in your face" video, hopefully of a one kick start.

Who are these nay-sayers? Whoever heard of a British bike refusing to start?

Humph. They know nothing. You show 'em, Powderman!

(And if it don't start first kick, just delete that video and post the one that shows it working properly  ;D)
Great minds think alike. You didn't think I would foolishly post a video of me struggling to start a Triumph did you. Though I do have fond memories of myself and my deceased brother taking our bikes to the car wash and then after washing them, me on the Sportster and him on this Tiger, I would go sit on the curb. He would ask what I was doing not starting my bike. I would tell him I was taking a rest and would watch the next 10 minutes of him trying to start his wet Triumph. After working up a sweat and finally getting his running I would walk over to mine. Twist the throttle few times to prime the carb and kick it once to start it up.Pissed him off royally every time. Triumphs don't like being pressure washed.

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Re: 1970 Triumph Tiger 650
« Reply #337 on: October 29, 2016, 12:35:31 PM »
Don't know, hasn't been fired up yet. It's a long story. But for 37 years, after building the basis of the bike, it sat in storage. When my engine builder built it he told me "I bought Pete's 63ci Sportster back and put his top end on your motor, taking it from 53ci to 63ci." So for the last 37 years I though it was 1032cc motor, up from 883. When I pulled it out of moth balls 5 years ago to ready it for a land speed record attempt after going to Bonneville a few times with a car I helped build and setting multiple world records, I realized I would have a hard time competing because my 1032 fit into a 1000-1350cc class and I would be at the bottom end of engine size. I ended up having to tear down this motor that had never been fired due to corrosion of the inside of the cases from sitting. When the new mechanic had it torn down he informed me that I did not have a 63ci engine. Needless to say I was extremely disappointed that my original builder, a friend, would have screwed me. New builder says " you didn't get screwed unless you think having 81ci is getting screwed. You have a 63ci top end, but he also gave you a 4-5/8" stroker kit in it." I was elated to know that for a few seconds while I figured in my head that indeed I now have a 1327cc motor that surely would be competitive with those running up to 1350cc motors. The elation was short lived when I realized this stroker kit would severely limit the RPM levels I could have run with the short stroke motor. Now I have to figure out all new gearing package to run the speeds I need.
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Re: 1970 Triumph Tiger 650
« Reply #338 on: October 29, 2016, 02:05:01 PM »
Don't know, hasn't been fired up yet. It's a long story. But for 37 years, after building the basis of the bike, it sat in storage. When my engine builder built it he told me "I bought Pete's 63ci Sportster back and put his top end on your motor, taking it from 53ci to 63ci." So for the last 37 years I though it was 1032cc motor, up from 883. When I pulled it out of moth balls 5 years ago to ready it for a land speed record attempt after going to Bonneville a few times with a car I helped build and setting multiple world records, I realized I would have a hard time competing because my 1032 fit into a 1000-1350cc class and I would be at the bottom end of engine size. I ended up having to tear down this motor that had never been fired due to corrosion of the inside of the cases from sitting. When the new mechanic had it torn down he informed me that I did not have a 63ci engine. Needless to say I was extremely disappointed that my original builder, a friend, would have screwed me. New builder says " you didn't get screwed unless you think having 81ci is getting screwed. You have a 63ci top end, but he also gave you a 4-5/8" stroker kit in it." I was elated to know that for a few seconds while I figured in my head that indeed I now have a 1327cc motor that surely would be competitive with those running up to 1350cc motors. The elation was short lived when I realized this stroker kit would severely limit the RPM levels I could have run with the short stroke motor. Now I have to figure out all new gearing package to run the speeds I need.

OK,Then are you still going to run it at Bonneville ? w/ a stroker kit like that you'll need to gear it Way up.  :) Will you build a streamliner type 'aero' fairing for it? That's set-up Caf'e so it could get wobbly at speed
I thought it was a standard XLCH,didn't know what you had;I well remember as a kid how the XLCH Harley Sportster's would sound when they passed a car back in the late 60's,they had all kinds of 'spin'.
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Re: 1970 Triumph Tiger 650
« Reply #339 on: October 29, 2016, 02:24:35 PM »
I already have an Airtech full XRTT fairing made from mold from Cal Rayburn's XRTT bike. I'll first take it to the ECTA Ohio Mile and attempt the record there. It stands at just 131mph. If I accomplish that and find that the bike is stable at those speeds then I will consider going to the Salt. The salt has been very unforgiving the last 3 years raining us out of 5 of the last 6 events and the last one they ran the salt was so bad our car was loaded and on it's way home after just one pass and spinning out at over 225mph. The record for my class at Bonneville is over 173mph. I'm not sure right now at 63 years old that I'm ready to be dragging my ass across the salt flats at 175mph.

I have this fairing. The Emgo fairing will be run when I ride it on the street.



The dual carb heads and the pipes on the wrong side should have been a dead giveaway that it's far from a standard Sportster.

With the aerodynamics and the power to weight ratio I think the mile record is well within reach for me.
I'll be going for the fuel record because the gas record is already at 149mph. Why that rider didn't bump up into the fuel class and take that record also is a mystery to me. I can run gas in the fuel class, but not fuel in the gas class.
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Re: 1970 Triumph Tiger 650
« Reply #340 on: October 29, 2016, 03:10:29 PM »
I already have an Airtech full XRTT fairing made from mold from Cal Rayburn's XRTT bike. I'll first take it to the ECTA Ohio Mile and attempt the record there. It stands at just 131mph. If I accomplish that and find that the bike is stable at those speeds then I will consider going to the Salt. The salt has been very unforgiving the last 3 years raining us out of 5 of the last 6 events and the last one they ran the salt was so bad our car was loaded and on it's way home after just one pass and spinning out at over 225mph. The record for my class at Bonneville is over 173mph. I'm not sure right now at 63 years old that I'm ready to be dragging my ass across the salt flats at 175mph.

I have this fairing. The Emgo fairing will be run when I ride it on the street.



The dual carb heads and the pipes on the wrong side should have been a dead giveaway that it's far from a standard Sportster.

With the aerodynamics and the power to weight ratio I think the mile record is well within reach for me.
I'll be going for the fuel record because the gas record is already at 149mph. Why that rider didn't bump up into the fuel class and take that record also is a mystery to me. I can run gas in the fuel class, but not fuel in the gas class.

I don't know much about the Harley's;that bike of yours sure does sit low which is good.The heads/carbs. on it,are they similar to the XR750 style ? I hope when you do Bonneville that the salt is good and dried-out.  ;)
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Re: 1970 Triumph Tiger 650
« Reply #341 on: October 29, 2016, 03:13:41 PM »
I already have an Airtech full XRTT fairing made from mold from Cal Rayburn's XRTT bike. I'll first take it to the ECTA Ohio Mile and attempt the record there. It stands at just 131mph. If I accomplish that and find that the bike is stable at those speeds then I will consider going to the Salt. The salt has been very unforgiving the last 3 years raining us out of 5 of the last 6 events and the last one they ran the salt was so bad our car was loaded and on it's way home after just one pass and spinning out at over 225mph. The record for my class at Bonneville is over 173mph. I'm not sure right now at 63 years old that I'm ready to be dragging my ass across the salt flats at 175mph.

I have this fairing. The Emgo fairing will be run when I ride it on the street.



The dual carb heads and the pipes on the wrong side should have been a dead giveaway that it's far from a standard Sportster.

With the aerodynamics and the power to weight ratio I think the mile record is well within reach for me.
I'll be going for the fuel record because the gas record is already at 149mph. Why that rider didn't bump up into the fuel class and take that record also is a mystery to me. I can run gas in the fuel class, but not fuel in the gas class.

I don't know much about the Harley's;that bike of yours sure does sit low which is good.I hope when you do Bonneville that the salt is good and dried-out.  ;)

Actually it sits at close to stock ride height. Low bars and the seat and tank make it look low. The heads are Sputhe heads made in the mid 70's. XR style, but bolt on to the XL Sportsters.
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Re: 1970 Triumph Tiger 650
« Reply #342 on: November 04, 2016, 10:24:13 PM »
Sold some parts off a CRX i'm parting out and put some more money in the Triumph kitty. Ordered the battery, exhaust pipes and clamps, brake fittings, carb spacers, clutch cable adjuster, and extended ticklers. Need a chain, choke cables and the GPS speedo and should be near completion. In the process of trying to install the wiring harness and hook everything to it.

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Re: 1970 Triumph Tiger 650
« Reply #343 on: November 05, 2016, 04:43:34 AM »
That's some harley! Light, lean, and mean, should really run strong!

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Re: 1970 Triumph Tiger 650
« Reply #344 on: November 07, 2016, 10:51:45 AM »
Pipes came in and fit like a glove. Ordered the correct muffler clamps, but they sent me large coil clamps instead. They want me to return them for exchange. This is one case where I say you are responsible for return shipping as it was your mistake. If they don't correct the issue at no expense to me then they get  negative feedback.
I notice the left pipe has a more straight section going down than the right side that looks more radiused, is this just normal of 650 pipes?


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Re: 1970 Triumph Tiger 650
« Reply #345 on: November 07, 2016, 11:07:53 AM »
Pipes came in and fit like a glove. Ordered the correct muffler clamps, but they sent me large coil clamps instead. They want me to return them for exchange. This is one case where I say you are responsible for return shipping as it was your mistake. If they don't correct the issue at no expense to me then they get  negative feedback.
I notice the left pipe has a more straight section going down than the right side that looks more radiused, is this just normal of 650 pipes?


Totally digging the look! Can you please post a pic from the front, looking at both pipes and the engine. I know it might be tricky with the wheel getting in the way, but please try :)

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Re: 1970 Triumph Tiger 650
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Re: 1970 Triumph Tiger 650
« Reply #347 on: November 07, 2016, 02:17:11 PM »
On mine there the same and look more like the  header on the number 1 side.

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Re: 1970 Triumph Tiger 650
« Reply #348 on: November 07, 2016, 03:09:12 PM »
On mine there the same and look more like the  header on the number 1 side.
I know I got what is in the picture, they are definitely not symmetrical:

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Re: 1970 Triumph Tiger 650
« Reply #349 on: November 07, 2016, 04:09:42 PM »
Looks nice w/ that exh. on there  8) the chrome pipes really 'pop' w/ the blacked-out engine in the background.
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