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Re: Bees
« Reply #25 on: March 07, 2016, 10:29:19 AM »

Swarming bees fly very slowly..so unless one is just not paying attention..they can easily be avoided/steered around.


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Re: Bees
« Reply #26 on: March 08, 2016, 04:16:41 PM »
Well..well.well!  Seems we have some bee-phobia in our ranks LOL!
I've kept bees for over 50 years..it never ceases to amaze me how the stories abound. (I'm also retired Dentist..and similar phobias about going to dentist have always fascinated me..LOL!).

1.) The majority of  "bee incidents" are usually non-bee..i.e. wasps and hornet incidents 2.) Bees can't sting unless they land on you and plant their feet to jab with their stingers 3.) Swarming bees are usually at their most docile..i.e. their in survival mode and not willing to sacrifice their lives by stinging (they become more aggressive when they have "brood" to defend) 4.) Swarming bees fly very slowly..so unless one is just not paying attention..they can easily be avoided/steered around.

Sorry guys!  I'm good for tall tales and stories about stuff.  Just had to add my two cents..and over 50 years of beekeeping experience to this conversation.  Attached is pic of me with about 50 new bee packages a year ago.  We all need to be talking-up honey bees..the benefits they provide (1/3rd of food production)..I suggest.

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Ichi:
Is it true that bumblebees' sting is "worse" than honeybees? I know the wasp hurts more, but mostly because they can do it again right away.

My friend's house (in Westminster) has a giant honeycomb growing in the attic, between it and the chimney. He can't find anyone to come and take them out for less than several thousand dollars, and his insurance won't cover it. I don't know why, exactly, but he said the local beekeepers can't help him? This thing is almost 10 feet long now, and the honey is oozing into the basement under the (upstairs) chimney where it is dripping down inside the walls(!). Messy...but tasty! :)
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Re: Bees
« Reply #27 on: March 08, 2016, 05:00:57 PM »
I've twice had bees fly into my helmet with my visor up but wearing sunglasses (in very hot weather, once in Phoenix, once in Indonesia). Both times I pulled right over (lucky not to be in heavy traffic) and got my helmet off as fast as possible. Avoided stings both times.

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Re: Bees
« Reply #28 on: March 08, 2016, 05:20:17 PM »
Well..well.well!  Seems we have some bee-phobia in our ranks LOL!
I've kept bees for over 50 years..it never ceases to amaze me how the stories abound. (I'm also retired Dentist..and similar phobias about going to dentist have always fascinated me..LOL!).

1.) The majority of  "bee incidents" are usually non-bee..i.e. wasps and hornet incidents 2.) Bees can't sting unless they land on you and plant their feet to jab with their stingers 3.) Swarming bees are usually at their most docile..i.e. their in survival mode and not willing to sacrifice their lives by stinging (they become more aggressive when they have "brood" to defend) 4.) Swarming bees fly very slowly..so unless one is just not paying attention..they can easily be avoided/steered around.

Sorry guys!  I'm good for tall tales and stories about stuff.  Just had to add my two cents..and over 50 years of beekeeping experience to this conversation.  Attached is pic of me with about 50 new bee packages a year ago.  We all need to be talking-up honey bees..the benefits they provide (1/3rd of food production)..I suggest.

As always..Ichi

Check out our website: http://ColoradoProBeekeeping.org/

Ichi:
Is it true that bumblebees' sting is "worse" than honeybees? I know the wasp hurts more, but mostly because they can do it again right away.

My friend's house (in Westminster) has a giant honeycomb growing in the attic, between it and the chimney. He can't find anyone to come and take them out for less than several thousand dollars, and his insurance won't cover it. I don't know why, exactly, but he said the local beekeepers can't help him? This thing is almost 10 feet long now, and the honey is oozing into the basement under the (upstairs) chimney where it is dripping down inside the walls(!). Messy...but tasty! :)
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Hi Mark.. I'll put on my Entomologist's hat here for a bit..okay? All the stinging insects have somewhat different venom components..so "how bad" they are seems to be a relative thing..i.e how sensitive a person is to a particular venom..and of course..how much of a "load" is delivered with the sting. Some people are relatively immune to the effects of honey bees..but can be quite sensitive to say a hornet or wasp sting. With us beekeepers for instance..most of us develop a resistance over time (and accumulated stings) so that our reaction is about the same as with a mosquito bite. I assume when you mention a "bumble bee" you're referring to the large black and yellow fuzzy ones we see flying around here in Colorado in the spring and summer (there are literally hundreds of species of bumble bees..some large..some small BTW). On the other hand..the sting of "Bombus" can be about 1/4 inch long and deliver several times more venom per sting..than a honey bee (remember though that most stinging insects have to plant themselves on you..before they can jab you with their sting). And yes..wasps and hornets can sting multiple times whereas a HB stings only once..then dies (but that stinger that stays in you keeps on delivering more venom LOL)!

As far as the honey comb in your friend's attic is concerned..it's not uncommon for honey bees to take-up residence in houses/buildings like that.  We used to see it quite often in  the "old days" (before parasitic mites decimated feral colonies in the late 1990's)..but not so common nowadays. Regarding removal..that depends on how difficult it is to get to them..usually.  Many homeowners seem shocked when they get estimates for removal..because it may involve a significant amount of "de-construction" to get to them..then re-construction to repair the structural damage.  And when a colony gets big like that (with large combs..dripping honey..etc.) it is best to get in there and remove that stuff rather than just killing it and sealing-up..so as not to leave literally a lot of garbage (honey..wax and dead bees) to rot in there.

I think there should be some people who specialize in bee removals..in the greater Denver area that can do that..but it's not going to be for free (which for whatever reason some folks seem to think bee removals should be).  Bees are not "gold" nor do most beekeepers want them after they've been traumatized by being "removed". Have your friend look for pest removal services that specialize in bee removals in the Yellow Pages or on-line..I suggest (don't have any names handy presently).

As a long time beekeeper myself..my main interest is to not unnecessarily malign honey bees (though some caution is necessary when working with them).  Also to help educate the general public about their usefulness..in fact indispensability..in maintaining a healthy environment and ecosystems.

Good to hear from you Mark.  Please feel free to comment further If you feel necessary..

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Re: Bees
« Reply #29 on: March 08, 2016, 05:53:04 PM »
How much would it typically take to get started in beekeeping?
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Re: Bees
« Reply #30 on: March 09, 2016, 08:26:45 PM »
A friend of mine has a buddy who is a bee entomologist for growers in California. He was working to help find more ways to fight the bee deaths that were so devastating the bee population. He was dealing with lots of wineries and vegetable and fruit growers. Anytime they had more than normal bee loss in hives he would perform the necroprosies to determine their reason/cause of death.
It was very interesting the job he did for them.
The crop yield is so tied to the proper polination that so many people don't realize.
The other animal that is useful that many don't understand is that of bats. They eat more mosquitoes than any other organism and can help fight mosquito borne health issues.
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Re: Bees
« Reply #31 on: March 10, 2016, 04:10:06 PM »
How much would it typically take to get started in beekeeping?
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Evanphi- the question of how much it would cost is highly variable..depending upon the scale and type of beekeeping one wants to get into.  I don't encourage just anyone to try to take-up beekeeping..as it involves a lot of problems and things that one needs to know about bee biology nowadays to be successful at it. Over 50% of first time beekeepers end-up dropping-out after 5 years..which is no fun for the wannabee beekeepers..and potentially spreads disease and other problems to other beekeepers (which is what I'm more concerned about BTW).

Nowadays also..due to all the publicity and media hype about bees dying (not as bad as made out to be BTW) there seems to be a lot of folks wanting to take-up beekeeping..as some sort of missionary effort.."save the bees" in other words.  Wrong reason to take up beekeeping..I suggest.

Anyway..if you're really interested..I suggest checking out the following websites: www.dadant.com  and  www.mannlakeltd.com  These are the big-boys of the bee suppliers in the U.S. and have kits and supplies to appeal to all levels of interest and experience.  I also strongly suggest to anyone contemplating taking up beekeeping..to bone-up first..read some books on subject (the Beekeepers Handbook by Sammataro & Avitable is a good one).  Better yet..take a beekeeping class..often offered through local County Extension or Ag colleges.  Good luck.  Feel free to PM me if you have more specific questions. [Included another pic of fellow beekeepers cleaning up older equipment last spring]

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Re: Bees
« Reply #32 on: March 10, 2016, 04:51:57 PM »
The other animal that is useful that many don't understand is that of bats. They eat more mosquitoes than any other organism and can help fight mosquito borne health issues.
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« Reply #33 on: March 11, 2016, 05:51:02 AM »
Thanks Ichi! Very informative. There's plenty of keepers around me so I could get some excellent local hands on info, too.

There's a winery that also keeps bees, and they make AMAZING mead. Only about an hour's drive for me.
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Re: Bees
« Reply #34 on: March 11, 2016, 11:14:58 AM »
Thanks Ichi! Very informative. There's plenty of keepers around me so I could get some excellent local hands on info, too.

There's a winery that also keeps bees, and they make AMAZING mead. Only about an hour's drive for me.

I was going to suggest you apprentice with a local bee keeper and help them one year to understand the level of care and work required to maintain hives. They can help further expand your education and you will be better equipped to understand the areas you need to study based on areas you find difficult and knowing what it takes is far more educational by doing than by reading. The practical hands on would likely be welcomed by the bee keeper as more hands make the work lighter.  Moving hives close to the pollen sources for farmers and for developing different flavors of honey is also very useful to understand and be involved in.   If you have lots of bee keepers already in the area you need to also understand their food sources to lessen any conflict between colonies for the food sources and pollenation activities.
There's a store at the local mall in Kingsport, TN that sells canned goods and honey and they have some delicious blackberry honey I bought a bear sized container of about a year ago. Very tasty stuff, but pricey. The overhead of the mall space factoring into that equation.

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Re: Bees
« Reply #35 on: March 11, 2016, 11:54:57 AM »
The other animal that is useful that many don't understand is that of bats. They eat more mosquitoes than any other organism and can help fight mosquito borne health issues.
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Yeah but jeez, riding through a swarm of bats is no picnic either.

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« Reply #36 on: March 11, 2016, 01:03:02 PM »

We can't stop here- This is bat country...

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« Reply #37 on: March 11, 2016, 09:23:32 PM »
local bee keeping guilds can be an excellent source of information and other resources for beeks of all experience level.
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