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Offline OCW85

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Carbs are off - now what?
« on: March 23, 2016, 04:16:58 PM »
Hi everyone,

This is my first post AND my first street bike so bear with me.

About the bike, I picked up a '76 cb400f for about $700 off craigslist. The bike has just over 17k original miles and is in relatively good shape. The previous owner had the bike out last fall, but it sat pretty much all winter. The bike starts on a few kicks (the start button has corroded away), however, after a few seconds of idling the bike would stop running. I took a friend with me who works on old bikes and he was pretty confident the issue was the carbs needing a good cleaning.

That said, I took a chance and got the bike. I pulled the carbs and opened them up and there was definitely a lot stuff in there that could easily clog the jets. I also saw that one of the covers was missing some metal at the bottom (top) - it's very small not all the way through, but not sure if I should be concerned (see pic with the pick pointing to it). 

That said, besides a good cleaning - is there anything else I should do/take advantage of while I have the carbs pulled off? I appreciate the help. Thanks
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Offline carnivorous chicken

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Re: Carbs are off - now what?
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2016, 06:04:43 PM »
Clean the hell out of those carbs, put 'em back together and fire it up!

The photo of the "hole" in the float bowl with the pick looks like you could be pointing to the drain -- all of your bowls should have that in there -- or a small nick. Either way, shouldn't be anything to worry about unless the nick is deep and leaks.

Thoroughly clean all the oem jets and floats. Make sure the float valves function properly and the seats are clean. Set the float height correctly. Spray carb cleaner through all of the fuel and air passages and follow it with compressed air. Pull your idle mixture and idle adjustment screws and springs and clean them and the passages out as well. You can try reusing the rubber, but if it leaks you'll have to pull the carbs off again and replace it, so you could get oem replacements. Pull the drain plug screws, and thoroughly clean them out as well. If they are stubborn, use a little heat (space heater or hair dryer work just fine). Examine the parts you pull for signs of wear, including the needles. Bench sync them, then when they're mounted do a proper sync. Inspect your boots (the mounts to the engine and to the airbox) and make sure they are pliable and don't have any cracks. And make sure you get a good seal when you remount your carbs. Be careful what you clean your carb bodies with, you don't want anything corrosive or that will discolor your bodies (such as CLR).

And make sure your battery is fully charged and in good shape.

I'm sure I'm forgetting some stuff, and others will chime in.

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Re: Carbs are off - now what?
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2016, 09:06:38 PM »
I also don't think those look bad. One suggestion I would make is, after you're done rebuilding them, verify the fuel levels in each bowl with the "clear tube method." If you search for that term you should find what you need. Even after meticulously setting floats on these older carbs, it's not uncommon for the fuel levels to be all over the place across the four carbs. Verifying each one with clear tube is the only way to really see where the fuel level is in each bowl.

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Re: Carbs are off - now what?
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2016, 09:19:19 AM »
Nice deqal you got! I love the yellow that's my favorite for the 400F. That bike around here would go up for sale for minimum $4000. Even in the shape it was in when you bought it. The 400s are getting really collectable in stock form. At least around here.
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Re: Carbs are off - now what?
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2016, 12:53:11 PM »
Make sure that the carburetor manifold boots are in good shape, not cracked, they should be soft and pliable. Same thing for the air box intake boots. If they are old and hard, you may have air leaks after you install them, and you will have problems getting it tuned properly.

Now is also a good time to clean up some of the areas of the motor that you cannot reach when the cards are installed, such as the rear fins of the cylinders, and the top of the crankcase below the carburetors, etc.

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Re: Carbs are off - now what?
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2016, 09:13:54 AM »
Thanks everyone. Appreciate the feedback. I'm sure I'll have more questions down the line. I've researched the name/function of most of the carb parts, but there are a few remaining parts I'm unsure how to approach. Thanks again.

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Re: Carbs are off - now what?
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2016, 09:31:49 AM »
ask away!  ;D
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