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Offline liersemann

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exploded view for vacuum diaphram on 82 nighthawk 650?
« on: March 09, 2016, 11:23:21 AM »
Hi Everyone,

I'm re-assembling the carbs on my 82' Nighthawk 650SC that the previous owner took apart, and he also took apart the vacuum diaphragm that sits atop the carbs.  My Clymer manual has no exploded view of this, and I can't find much online- I just want to make sure the springs and everything else are being put in correctly.  Also- I'm missing the three hoses that hook up to the it- any idea where I can get these? Maybe at a Napa or AutoParts store?

This is my first crack at cleaning/re-assembling carbs so a lot of this is new frontier.



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Re: exploded view for vacuum diaphram on 82 nighthawk 650?
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2016, 01:02:19 PM »
Actually, the exploded view for the petcock assembly.  I got these carbs completely disassembled, and I've never taken apart a vacuum line (petcock), so I'm not sure how to re-assemble this. Picture below of what I have to assemble it- hope its all there!

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Re: exploded view for vacuum diaphram on 82 nighthawk 650?
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2016, 02:37:13 PM »
Just plug the vacuum port on the carb and run a new line from your petcock to your carb. That way you can get rid of that part which can be a pain if it doesn't work.
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Re: exploded view for vacuum diaphram on 82 nighthawk 650?
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2016, 03:42:07 PM »
Thanks 82CB650SC, where is the vacuum port on the carburetor, and how would I plug it? And when you say run a new line from the petcock to the carb, I've heard the pieces in the pic I posted called the petcock, but also the vacuum diaphragm, so just figuring out if I still need to assemble it.  I would love to just trash and bypass it though like you said as I've read numerous suggestions on doing just that. 

Thanks for the help!

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Re: exploded view for vacuum diaphram on 82 nighthawk 650?
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2016, 04:57:22 PM »
I have mine by passed ,if you could wait until tomorrow I'll take some pics for you.
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Re: exploded view for vacuum diaphram on 82 nighthawk 650?
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2016, 09:28:20 AM »
Awesome, thanks Pete! I'll reciprocate with some pics as well- I've been photo documenting the process....  :)

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Re: exploded view for vacuum diaphram on 82 nighthawk 650?
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2016, 03:27:27 PM »
The order from right to left
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Re: exploded view for vacuum diaphram on 82 nighthawk 650?
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2016, 03:33:37 PM »
for some reason I can't up load the rest
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Re: exploded view for vacuum diaphram on 82 nighthawk 650?
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2016, 05:03:39 PM »
If that thing is assembled correctly and working, wont plugging and removing the vacuum lines stop the fuel flow? And bypassing it altogether, would mean you could never turn the fuel off?

I have no idea if there is a tap on the tank though, if it does have a tap on the tank, bypassing it altogether shouldn't matter.
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Re: exploded view for vacuum diaphram on 82 nighthawk 650?
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2016, 05:32:17 PM »
There is a Manuel valve on the tank,if the bike is going to sit for long periods you close the valve.
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Re: exploded view for vacuum diaphram on 82 nighthawk 650?
« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2016, 06:25:28 PM »
Yup what you have there is an automatic fuel cutoff or vacuum shutoff.  They go by a variety of names.

It's essentially a second fuel valve, that only opens when there's vacuum being drawn at the carbs, i.e. engine running.

Looking at the diagram posted earlier, fuel comes from the fuel tank's petcock via hose #7 to the vacuum shutoff valve, and when the valve is open it can pass through to hose #2 and flow to the carbs.

The diaphragm sits in a little chamber, dividing it in half.  The spring pushes against the diaphragm keeping it's pin in the valve body and closing the valve.   Vacuum is brought to the valve via the smaller hose #3 and draws against the diaphragm, compressing the spring and opening the valve.  Hose #4 is a vent that lets air into the other side of the chamber when the diaphragm moves, otherwise it would vacuum-lock and wouldn't be able to move.

So, you can omit this whole assembly, run hose #7 straight from the manual petcock to the carb's fuel inlet, and then cap off the place where you unplugged hose #3, otherwise you're have a huge vacuum leak there.

Remember to shut off the fuel when you park the bike, if you do this, otherwise if a float valve gets stuck you can drain all of your fuel out onto the ground or into the engine.





If on the other hand you'd like to keep this valve, I'd recommend considering a new diaphragm, yours looks like it has a tear along the edge.  Any vacuum leaks or grit inside this thing will cause you headaches later from poor fuel flow.

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Re: exploded view for vacuum diaphram on 82 nighthawk 650?
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2016, 11:13:51 PM »
Wow, mystic_1, that's the best explanation of that vacuum shutoff as I've ever heard.  Thanks for the pic Pete, I'll work on bypassing it altogether as the diaphragm is torn via mystics observation.  Thanks everyone for the info and responses, I would be completely lost without this forum, you guys are awesome.   ;D