Topic: Modern USD forks are just so 10 minutes ago. Say hello to tomorrow.

[FunJimmy]

hi cal , no the 16th place was after the bike had been raced for four seasons , this was there best result at any sort of decent level .

hi mick , i see that warren only set the shock up for them which makes me even more suspicious about the bikes ability . the thing that sets alarm bells ringing for me is the claims of gaining one second a corner . that is between 6 to 10 seconds a lap
and that is ridiculous . another thing is that no one has any development background in bike or for that matter car racing . these people are from the film industry , there skill is telling a good story and that is exactly what this is .

You are extremely dismissive Simon, I'm not exactly sure why at this point. Every article I've read about this system , the rider used says the same thing, so who exactly is telling the story..? if you look at which part of the movie industry they are in it has nothing to do with the "story", The main guy is a self taught mechanical engineer {try doing that by yourself } , proficient in Auto Cad.. Sometimes you need to look at things from out side the box to make others see what they've been doing wrong, I could post a million examples of that scenario that have been successful my friend., I was involved in one quite interesting scenario myself, although not motorcycle related.  Do you actually think someone as heralded/ famous and as busy as Warren Willing, would give up time to a bunch of useless fools trying to develop a new suspension if it had no potential...?  That's pure fantasy mate, go try get someone as important, busy , well paid and as highly respected, and at the pinnacle of his chosen profession, who's worked repeatedly with the worlds best,  to come work on one of your "idea's" and see how you go...... I know you aren't silly mate, these systems have been persued for years due the exact reason you dismiss it for, that its capable of "up too" a second a corner faster by removing steering and braking forces from the front suspension, so far, that's what their testing and results have shown, I'm 100% positive they wouldn't be pursuing moto gp racing on a "unproven", unworkable whim....

Have they actually confirmed up too a second faster per corner? I thought this optimistic result was based on calculations gained using a Track Motion telemetry system. Still to be confirmed on the track.

[Retro Rocket]

hi cal , no the 16th place was after the bike had been raced for four seasons , this was there best result at any sort of decent level .

hi mick , i see that warren only set the shock up for them which makes me even more suspicious about the bikes ability . the thing that sets alarm bells ringing for me is the claims of gaining one second a corner . that is between 6 to 10 seconds a lap
and that is ridiculous . another thing is that no one has any development background in bike or for that matter car racing . these people are from the film industry , there skill is telling a good story and that is exactly what this is .

You are extremely dismissive Simon, I'm not exactly sure why at this point. Every article I've read about this system , the rider used says the same thing, so who exactly is telling the story..? if you look at which part of the movie industry they are in it has nothing to do with the "story", The main guy is a self taught mechanical engineer {try doing that by yourself } , proficient in Auto Cad.. Sometimes you need to look at things from out side the box to make others see what they've been doing wrong, I could post a million examples of that scenario that have been successful my friend., I was involved in one quite interesting scenario myself, although not motorcycle related.  Do you actually think someone as heralded/ famous and as busy as Warren Willing, would give up time to a bunch of useless fools trying to develop a new suspension if it had no potential...?  That's pure fantasy mate, go try get someone as important, busy , well paid and as highly respected, and at the pinnacle of his chosen profession, who's worked repeatedly with the worlds best,  to come work on one of your "idea's" and see how you go...... I know you aren't silly mate, these systems have been persued for years due the exact reason you dismiss it for, that its capable of "up too" a second a corner faster by removing steering and braking forces from the front suspension, so far, that's what their testing and results have shown, I'm 100% positive they wouldn't be pursuing moto gp racing on a "unproven", unworkable whim....

Have they actually confirmed up too a second faster per corner? I thought this optimistic result was based on calculations gained using a Track Motion telemetry system. Still to be confirmed on the track.

I read it was after testing on a GSXR750 and their new bike with the same rider, being able to brake far later and get on the gas earlier, therefore using more of the tire for increased traction, without the need for the extreme lean angles on a conventional bike, they would have compared the telemetry {information gained from each test} from both bikes to come to that conclusion, it said "up too", so somewhere between 0 and one second, which as I said earlier, is the intended purpose of these type of suspension systems. Anyone remember John Britten, I know he had his detractors as well, he also designed and built his front suspension {it was similar to others, as this one is, similar but different} and that bike is still scary fast....

Here, have a read...

https://nebula.wsimg.com/d71370fc2807c3644fe8351867534d9b?AccessKeyId=2229E12122400A5FEC56&disposition=0&alloworigin=1

[FunJimmy]

hi cal , no the 16th place was after the bike had been raced for four seasons , this was there best result at any sort of decent level .

hi mick , i see that warren only set the shock up for them which makes me even more suspicious about the bikes ability . the thing that sets alarm bells ringing for me is the claims of gaining one second a corner . that is between 6 to 10 seconds a lap
and that is ridiculous . another thing is that no one has any development background in bike or for that matter car racing . these people are from the film industry , there skill is telling a good story and that is exactly what this is .

You are extremely dismissive Simon, I'm not exactly sure why at this point. Every article I've read about this system , the rider used says the same thing, so who exactly is telling the story..? if you look at which part of the movie industry they are in it has nothing to do with the "story", The main guy is a self taught mechanical engineer {try doing that by yourself } , proficient in Auto Cad.. Sometimes you need to look at things from out side the box to make others see what they've been doing wrong, I could post a million examples of that scenario that have been successful my friend., I was involved in one quite interesting scenario myself, although not motorcycle related.  Do you actually think someone as heralded/ famous and as busy as Warren Willing, would give up time to a bunch of useless fools trying to develop a new suspension if it had no potential...?  That's pure fantasy mate, go try get someone as important, busy , well paid and as highly respected, and at the pinnacle of his chosen profession, who's worked repeatedly with the worlds best,  to come work on one of your "idea's" and see how you go...... I know you aren't silly mate, these systems have been persued for years due the exact reason you dismiss it for, that its capable of "up too" a second a corner faster by removing steering and braking forces from the front suspension, so far, that's what their testing and results have shown, I'm 100% positive they wouldn't be pursuing moto gp racing on a "unproven", unworkable whim....

Have they actually confirmed up too a second faster per corner? I thought this optimistic result was based on calculations gained using a Track Motion telemetry system. Still to be confirmed on the track.

I read it was after testing on a GSXR750 and their new bike with the same rider, being able to brake far later and get on the gas earlier, therefore using more of the tire for increased traction, without the need for the extreme lean angles on a conventional bike, they would have compared the telemetry {information gained from each test} from both bikes to come to that conclusion, it said "up too", so somewhere between 0 and one second, which as I said earlier, is the intended purpose of these type of suspension systems. Anyone remember John Britten, I know he had his detractors as well, he also designed and built his front suspension {it was similar to others, as this one is, similar but different} and that bike is still scary fast....

Here, have a read...

https://nebula.wsimg.com/d71370fc2807c3644fe8351867534d9b?AccessKeyId=2229E12122400A5FEC56&disposition=0&alloworigin=1

Not to take anything away from the TS3 design concept. Just didn't think the track comparisons where conclusive at this time.  John Britten is a legend. Unfortuanatly his time was cut was too short.

[simon#42]

jimmy not only were they not conclusive they were very subjective , more about the rider than the bike .  the Suzuki used for comparison was a strange choice as well , why compare your new technology to a 11 year old bike?
if you are trying to prove it is a better system why not compare it with the latest normal set up ?
the way john britten went about things was much better , he built the bike won some races and then talked about it . no big claims no bull#$%* .  incidentally the britten front end is a copy of the fior and he never claimed anything else .
i do like this bike and i think it could make a good road bike [ although there are a lot of links and joints to wear ] they also need to do some proper stress analysis to see exactly what is going on , the bolt failure they have suffered shows
that this has not been done .
i am however put off by the stupid overambitious racing claims , they are making allot of noise and have nothing to back it up with , the exact opposite of britten

[Retro Rocket]

jimmy not only were they not conclusive they were very subjective , more about the rider than the bike .  the Suzuki used for comparison was a strange choice as well , why compare your new technology to a 11 year old bike?
if you are trying to prove it is a better system why not compare it with the latest normal set up ?
the way john britten went about things was much better , he built the bike won some races and then talked about it . no big claims no bull#$%* .  incidentally the britten front end is a copy of the fior and he never claimed anything else .
i do like this bike and i think it could make a good road bike [ although there are a lot of links and joints to wear ] they also need to do some proper stress analysis to see exactly what is going on , the bolt failure they have suffered shows
that this has not been done .
i am however put off by the stupid overambitious racing claims , they are making allot of noise and have nothing to back it up with , the exact opposite of britten

Not trying to be argumentative here Simon, I don't think they are making a lot of noise at all, not many people know about this, its hasn't been widely advertised, a couple of articles, one by Alan Cathcart, who I doubt would put his credibility on the line for a "fantasy" piece. Brittens work was widely known about, right from the start, This is still in the development phase, Things will still be changed, they clearly say they have upgraded the components  to the very best, nothing I have read about it seems ridiculous, quite the contrary. Mr Willing would have known about their plans or ambition for Moto2, I'd say he probably helped them out with contacts, he definitely adds a lot of credibility to the project. I think Moto 2  is the only class where this type of front end can be used, under the current rules. Why do you think they are making "stupid overambitious racing claims" ? Brittens bikes were always going to be built for racing, wasn't he being ambitious too ?
 The comparison to the Suzuki is valid, there's virtually no difference in suspension from the GSXR used and the current one, they make more changes to the frame usually, Rake, steering head position, Swingarm pivot, shock linkage, the suspension remains virtually the same, conventional suspensions have been at their development end for some time, they are built to their limitations. I think you're splitting hairs there. Apparently they have been relying on grants to get this done so money may play a part or they just used the testers bike ?. Interestingly, the track they are using for testing is about 6 or 7 minutes from my place, I pass it regularly, I would love to see this bike in person..   I read a few articles Cathcart wrote about the Tesi and the ELF bikes, he wasn't as enthusiastic about those bikes at all, although he liked what they were trying to achieve, actually, The ELF bikes went straight into the 500 GP Class, another thing these bikes have in common, Honda didn't build the suspension or frames on the ELF bikes, they only supplied engines and offered support...Have a bit more faith , we build some pretty crazy sh1t down here mate, you should know that...

[jeffg]

While the current TS3 bike is an AU$300,000 prototype::: a little pricey

Most prototypes are, Think of all the years of work gone into those first few bikes, this is an entirely new design, if you keep reading the article they say that" they should be able to make the system for a price comparable to a modern USD set up, once line production starts", my only question to that is that you'd also need their frame, have you priced an aftermarket specialist frame lately for a conventionally suspended bike..?, Looks like most of this, including the frame can be made on a CNC machine, therefore it should be well priced....I'd buy one....

SCREW that I'm going to KMart go on a hores ride then

[754]

That looks like it corners worse than my bike....

[chewbacca5000]

That looks like it corners worse than my bike....

Looks to have the same thread pattern as fire-stones....  We used to have forks like these when I was 5 years old we called them erector sets.

[RAFster122s]

While the current TS3 bike is an AU$300,000 prototype::: a little pricey

Most prototypes are, Think of all the years of work gone into those first few bikes, this is an entirely new design, if you keep reading the article they say that" they should be able to make the system for a price comparable to a modern USD set up, once line production starts", my only question to that is that you'd also need their frame, have you priced an aftermarket specialist frame lately for a conventionally suspended bike..?, Looks like most of this, including the frame can be made on a CNC machine, therefore it should be well priced....I'd buy one....

SCREW that I'm going to KMart go on a hores ride then

It is lucky no one did a IFTFY (I Fixed That For You)   
but, there was restraint exercised in that the filter would have probably prevented it and it would not have been family friendly...